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 BrotherHaraldus wrote:

 Bobthehero wrote:
There's considerable difference between a Kriegsman and a Cadian, by the way.

You could probably add the Ultramarines in your post, as all they do is fervently follow the Codex Astartes.

The Korps is just a regiment in all of the IG regiment, it just so happens its the one without much of a personality.

It was the Death Korps that I was specifically referring to. I never mentioned Cadians. I am asking about Korpsman-to-Korpsman differences.

Ultramarines vary significantly from what I have seen, such as the Ultramarines novels. In contrast, no DKoK fluff I've read gives me the impression of variety.

I always imagined Kriegsmen to be too professional to show their emotions on the battlefield or even while on duty in the camp etc.
However, I assume that when they're out of their uniforms, with their families etc. they are all very different.

As for Sisters of Battle I imagine it's the same thing, even Space Marines have a bit of a brotherly jibe going on between them so why wouldn't the Sisters of Battle? They're basically female Black Templars with flamers.

 BrotherOfBone wrote:

 BrotherHaraldus wrote:

 Bobthehero wrote:
There's considerable difference between a Kriegsman and a Cadian, by the way.

You could probably add the Ultramarines in your post, as all they do is fervently follow the Codex Astartes.

The Korps is just a regiment in all of the IG regiment, it just so happens its the one without much of a personality.

It was the Death Korps that I was specifically referring to. I never mentioned Cadians. I am asking about Korpsman-to-Korpsman differences.

Ultramarines vary significantly from what I have seen, such as the Ultramarines novels. In contrast, no DKoK fluff I've read gives me the impression of variety.

I always imagined Kriegsmen to be too professional to show their emotions on the battlefield or even while on duty in the camp etc.
However, I assume that when they're out of their uniforms, with their families etc. they are all very different.

As for Sisters of Battle I imagine it's the same thing, even Space Marines have a bit of a brotherly jibe going on between them so why wouldn't the Sisters of Battle? They're basically female Black Templars with flamers.

The Krieg and Sisters fans will hang you for that post.

 BrotherHaraldus wrote:

 BrotherOfBone wrote:

 BrotherHaraldus wrote:

 Bobthehero wrote:
There's considerable difference between a Kriegsman and a Cadian, by the way.

You could probably add the Ultramarines in your post, as all they do is fervently follow the Codex Astartes.

The Korps is just a regiment in all of the IG regiment, it just so happens its the one without much of a personality.

It was the Death Korps that I was specifically referring to. I never mentioned Cadians. I am asking about Korpsman-to-Korpsman differences.

Ultramarines vary significantly from what I have seen, such as the Ultramarines novels. In contrast, no DKoK fluff I've read gives me the impression of variety.

I always imagined Kriegsmen to be too professional to show their emotions on the battlefield or even while on duty in the camp etc.
However, I assume that when they're out of their uniforms, with their families etc. they are all very different.

As for Sisters of Battle I imagine it's the same thing, even Space Marines have a bit of a brotherly jibe going on between them so why wouldn't the Sisters of Battle? They're basically female Black Templars with flamers.

The Krieg and Sisters fans will hang you for that post.

Because their armies aren't the emotionless bastards/bastardesses they wanted them to be?

Basically Sisters of Battle are Terminators without the Time Displacement travel and turning up naked everywhere.

No emotions. One goal. Lots of weapons. And expensive stunt scenes.

They might learn to develop, or mimic, some sort of emotions but really they will just pursue their goal with the singleminded ness of a machine.

I find this a shame as there aren't many strong females in 40k and it feels like an opportunity missed.

There's nothing suggesting Sisters have no emotions.

Rather, they are trained to be in as complete control of themselves as possible in spite of experiencing emotions, just like modern soldiers are.

Jdredsox wrote:
Basically Sisters of Battle are Terminators without the Time Displacement travel and turning up naked everywhere.

No emotions. One goal. Lots of weapons. And expensive stunt scenes.

They might learn to develop, or mimic, some sort of emotions but really they will just pursue their goal with the singleminded ness of a machine.

I find this a shame as there aren't many strong females in 40k and it feels like an opportunity missed.

"No strong females"
Hi, my name is the eldar, and i will be your answer for this evening.

 BrotherOfBone wrote:
As for Sisters of Battle I imagine it's the same thing, even Space Marines have a bit of a brotherly jibe going on between them so why wouldn't the Sisters of Battle?

I would think so too, about the same as what you've described with the Marines. Nothing too excessive, but a little bit of friendly camaraderie and such here and there.

 BrotherOfBone wrote:
They're basically female Black Templars with flamers.

Actually, the BT are basically male SoBs with genetic enhancements. The SoB came first.

 BrotherOfBone wrote:
Because their armies aren't the emotionless bastards/bastardesses they wanted them to be?

I don't think that any SoB fans have claimed that the Sisters are emotionless, nor want this to be the case, nor has the fluff ever said this either. What's been argued is that the Sisters are very controlled and disciplined, befitting their fluff which describes them having a very controlled lifestyle and massive faith/dedication. They're very focused on what they do, but they're still people. As I've been saying recently, I think that James Swallow gets a good balance here. Above all else, they are the soldiers of the Imperial Creed, but they can also have their own personalities and interactions with each other.

Yep, Sisters existed an edition before Black Templars did. They don't really do the Crusader thing as well as Sisters, either.

Meh, we're about as crusadery-y as Space Marines get in that we actually perform Crusades.

Well, at least BT's go on crusades without being ordered on them anyway.

 Melissia wrote:
Well, at least BT's go on crusades without being ordered on them anyway.

I can feel your jealousy

 BrotherOfBone wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Well, at least BT's go on crusades without being ordered on them anyway.

I can feel your jealousy

Actually I was commenting about how most SM chapters only go on crusades whenever they're ordered to because they fethed up (IE, Penitent Crusades).

BTs have more initiative than that, which is commendable.

 Melissia wrote:

 BrotherOfBone wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Well, at least BT's go on crusades without being ordered on them anyway.

I can feel your jealousy

Actually I was commenting about how most SM chapters only go on crusades whenever they're ordered to because they fethed up (IE, Penitent Crusades).

BTs have more initiative than that, which is commendable.

Ah, thought you were talking about SoB.
And, in fairness it's not like Black Templars take to sitting around in their fortress monastery waiting to be attacked, we go out and do stuff! YAY

Yeah. I like BTs more than I like most chapters. Not as much as I like BA, Salamanders, or SWs, but still. They have flavor and they're not boring at least.

 Melissia wrote:
Yeah. I like BTs more than I like most chapters. Not as much as I like BA, Salamanders, or SWs, but still. They have flavor and they're not boring at least.

It sucks that we took a huge hit in the 6th edition codex.
BT also seem to have pretty blank personalities, indeed most monastic marines do.
GROAH. WE LIKE THE EMPRAH AND STUHF
*Hack 'n' slash*

Dunno, I think they can have personality.

"Having personality" just can't be defined as "being more like Space Wolves", which seems to be Sandy Mitchel's definition.

 Melissia wrote:
Dunno, I think they can have personality.

"Having personality" just can't be defined as "being more like Space Wolves", which seems to be Sandy Mitchel's definition.

Those are the guys who like to uhh.
Something about... Cats?
Cat talismans
Thundercats (geddit)

GOOD JOB KELLY

*Throws Ultramarines at Melly*

 Melissia wrote:
Yep, Sisters existed an edition before Black Templars did. They don't really do the Crusader thing as well as Sisters, either.

Actually, Black Templars have the Crusader special rule, while SoB don't!

Not relevant to anything but a fun anecdote.

Of course they do. With Sisters it's assumed by default, while with BTs they have to explicitly express it.

Jollydevil wrote:

Jdredsox wrote:
Basically Sisters of Battle are Terminators without the Time Displacement travel and turning up naked everywhere.

No emotions. One goal. Lots of weapons. And expensive stunt scenes.

They might learn to develop, or mimic, some sort of emotions but really they will just pursue their goal with the singleminded ness of a machine.

I find this a shame as there aren't many strong females in 40k and it feels like an opportunity missed.

"No strong females"
Hi, my name is the eldar, and i will be your answer for this evening.

Not none, just not many .

I was actually thinking of my Dark Eldar army but it makes sense for Eldar to have a strong female contingent as well. I will keep a lookout for it when I start to build an eldar attachment.

I think the kits are something like 60/40 male/female for Craftworld Eldar, and 40/60 male/female for Dark Eldar.

Because of course, Psychic Ninja Space Elves are manly, while BDSM Ninja Space Elves are girly.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
I think the kits are something like 60/40 male/female for Craftworld Eldar, and 40/60 male/female for Dark Eldar.

Because of course, Psychic Ninja Space Elves are manly, while BDSM Ninja Space Elves are girly.

No, assuming we are talking Guardians (The only kit with both genders) it is 80/20 male/female.

Jdredsox wrote:
Basically Sisters of Battle are Terminators without the Time Displacement travel and turning up naked everywhere.

No emotions. One goal. Lots of weapons. And expensive stunt scenes.

They might learn to develop, or mimic, some sort of emotions but really they will just pursue their goal with the singleminded ness of a machine.

Uh ? Where did you get that strange idea from ?

Jdredsox wrote:

Jollydevil wrote:

Jdredsox wrote:
Basically Sisters of Battle are Terminators without the Time Displacement travel and turning up naked everywhere.

No emotions. One goal. Lots of weapons. And expensive stunt scenes.

They might learn to develop, or mimic, some sort of emotions but really they will just pursue their goal with the singleminded ness of a machine.

I find this a shame as there aren't many strong females in 40k and it feels like an opportunity missed.

"No strong females"
Hi, my name is the eldar, and i will be your answer for this evening.

Not none, just not many .

I was actually thinking of my Dark Eldar army but it makes sense for Eldar to have a strong female contingent as well. I will keep a lookout for it when I start to build an eldar attachment.

Meh, I was thinking of both. Ive played both, and yes, they've both got very strong female counterparts to the males.

Rather, they are trained to be in as complete control of themselves as possible in spite of experiencing emotions, just like modern soldiers are.

Does anyone in 40k have a developed personality as we would see it?

Also if your familiar with military training its intended to erase your old personality, all military training is designed to do this past, present, American, Russian, Japanese, personality and feelings are liability in war, they don't want overly charged personalities that might get pissed and kill everyone or overwhelmed by what they see and crumble. Its a question of degree though, 40k training and indoctrination overshadows what we see in even the most despotic regimes.

Oh and something I thought of. You have to wonder if the Kiegsmen or SOB are that effective, I mean is an army of martyrdom seeking/suicidal freaks really that effective.

Ironclad Warlord wrote:

Rather, they are trained to be in as complete control of themselves as possible in spite of experiencing emotions, just like modern soldiers are.

Does anyone in 40k have a developed personality as we would see it?

Also if your familiar with military training its intended to erase your old personality, all military training is designed to do this past, present, American, Russian, Japanese, personality and feelings are liability in war, they don't want overly charged personalities that might get pissed and kill everyone or overwhelmed by what they see and crumble. Its a question of degree though, 40k training and indoctrination overshadows what we see in even the most despotic regimes.

Oh and something I thought of. You have to wonder if the Kiegsmen or SOB are that effective, I mean is an army of martyrdom seeking/suicidal freaks really that effective.

The krieg are effective, just with incredibly high casualty rates. The point of a death charge is that eventually, no matter how many they cut down, the enemy will be overwhelmed with kriegsmen, and either break, fall back, or become open to new methods of attack.
I cant speak for SoB, but given the right amount of manpower, sure theyre effective. But theyre pretty much meat grinder troops (albeit damn good ones).

The Sisters aren't suicidal, and most of them don't actively 'seek martyrdom'. They may be ready to die for their god, but they're far more eager to make the enemy die for his.

Nor are they 'meat grinder troops'. The Sisters simply don't have the numbers for that - Astartes outnumber Sororitas in the galaxy. They didn't only send six companies to the Eye of Terror because they couldn't be bothered - that's all they could spare.

If the Guard are the army and the Marines are the special air service, the Sisters are more like special weapons and tactics.

Like Vietnam, the Sisters don't go to war - they engage in police actions. For the Adepta Sororitas to go to war requires a unanimous approval from all twelve High Lords of Terra.

The SoB aren't "seeking death". They won't, say, throw themselves onto a live grenade or anything like that. They're not just a fanatical rabble with good equipment, they're professional soldiers too.

However, they are very determined and driven, and will even be driven on by their comrades being martyred.

 Troike wrote:
The SoB aren't "seeking death". They won't, say, throw themselves onto a live grenade or anything like that. They're not just a fanatical rabble with good equipment, they're professional soldiers too.

However, they are very determined and driven, and will even be driven on by their comrades being martyred.

Actually, I could very much see a Sister doing that in order to prevent the grenade from, say, blasting her squadmates.

Frag weapons can't easily get through power armor, so she'd probably just kick it away instead.