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2014/02/14 22:47:28
Subject: Imperial Knights (Not Titans) Apparently Confirmed - Rumoured Rules and Poss Model Options In OP
You can have up to four Knights in a 1500 point game and five in a 2000 point game.....
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2014/02/14 22:48:55
Subject: Imperial Knights (Not Titans) Apparently Confirmed - Rumoured Rules and Poss Model Options In OP
That thing is beautiful. Even if I never play with it, I want one.
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2014/02/14 22:51:30
Subject: Imperial Knights (Not Titans) Apparently Confirmed - Rumoured Rules and Poss Model Options In OP
BrookM wrote: Also, judging by the bling and decorative bits, my Leviathan is looking rather bare, this must be rectified once the time is nigh.
By the way, how big are Knight households?
I think the dream forge is nicer but I like the small details on the GW one, a merge of the 2 would be very cool.
I'm going to bling up my Leviathan with purity seals and banners once I get my hands on a GW Knight and whenever my Miniature Market order gets through.
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2014/02/14 22:53:08
Subject: Imperial Knights (Not Titans) Apparently Confirmed - Rumoured Rules and Poss Model Options In OP
And because they have D weapons and Invincible Behemoth, they will never see the table at most events. :(
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2014/02/14 22:53:46
Subject: Re:Imperial Knights (Not Titans) Apparently Confirmed - Rumoured Rules and Poss Model Options In OP
Why do knights have heavy stubbers instead of just having heavy bolters or autocannons? I'm sure I'm being an old nerd, but that seems more appropriate. Plus the Ion Shield rule seems cumbersome.
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2014/02/14 22:55:54
Subject: Re:Imperial Knights (Not Titans) Apparently Confirmed - Rumoured Rules and Poss Model Options In OP
AegisGrimm wrote: Why do knights have heavy stubbers instead of just having heavy bolters or autocannons? I'm sure I'm being an old nerd, but that seems more appropriate.
I suggested that, as they can fire each weapon at different targets, but must assault one of the ones they shot, they're there to allow division of power rather than inflict damage (ie shoot one unit with main gun, another with stubber, charge the unit you shot with that) if that isn't crediting GW with too much rules writing forethought.
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Brain trust of Dakka, I want to re-quote Pretre's correctly oriented images in the OP, but when I quote his post, I have no images.
What's occurring?
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Those look fething epic, especially the blue+gold one on the full page. I note that the rules don't include points for weapons, so there's going to have to be some kind of further rules release, possibly lending credibility to the Knight/Ad Mech codex.. PLEASE let it be true.
Anything in the region of £50 (huh, I can dream) and I'll have one of these in a heartbeat.
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2014/02/14 22:59:17
Subject: Imperial Knights (Not Titans) Apparently Confirmed - Rumoured Rules and Poss Model Options In OP
BrookM wrote: Also, judging by the bling and decorative bits, my Leviathan is looking rather bare, this must be rectified once the time is nigh.
By the way, how big are Knight households?
Not sure if specific numbers were ever given, they're just a particular aristocratic house; in terms of the new rules it seems 3-6. For myself, I'd get the full 6 if the price per-box is vaguely reasonable, but if it's LoS or even Stompa territory, I'll pass entirely and just maybe pick up one, to paint, on the cheap in a few months when they inevitably show up on ebay.
According to the FW website their Avatar is 4.7 inches tall, if that's to the top of the head-thingies, these look to be about 5.5 to 6 inches, which is absolutely spot-on. If the FW measurements only go to the eyes or the top of the head itself, it might be 7 inches which is a bit on the large side IMO.
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2014/02/14 23:00:05
Subject: Imperial Knights (Not Titans) Apparently Confirmed - Rumoured Rules and Poss Model Options In OP
azreal13 wrote: Brain trust of Dakka, I want to re-quote Pretre's correctly oriented images in the OP, but when I quote his post, I have no images.
What's occurring?
They are attached. Click through to the final image.
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2014/02/14 23:01:04
Subject: Re:Imperial Knights (Not Titans) Apparently Confirmed - Rumoured Rules and Poss Model Options In OP
Huh, the power field rule coming in after movement helps it out. I still don't know if I like either of the big gun options, but I guess a S: D melee weapon on a somewhat mobile platform isn't awful.
The kit does look beautiful.
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2014/02/14 23:01:56
Subject: Imperial Knights (Not Titans) Apparently Confirmed - Rumoured Rules and Poss Model Options In OP
I am quite scared they are going to sell them in Household boxes I don't have that much spare cash
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Paradigm wrote: Those look fething epic, especially the blue+gold one on the full page. I note that the rules don't include points for weapons, so there's going to have to be some kind of further rules release, possibly lending credibility to the Knight/Ad Mech codex.. PLEASE let it be true.
I'd assume that the different knights have fixed weapons so you don't need individual points as you get them set with the Knight you pick.
2014/02/14 23:02:49
Subject: Re:Imperial Knights (Not Titans) Apparently Confirmed - Rumoured Rules and Poss Model Options In OP
Yeah, I don't see how a Str "D" melee weapon is nearly as scary as ranged ones.
I'm just flabbergasted that GW made something that respects their own game's past. I assumed that Knights would bear little semblance to the originals, especially in name!
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2014/02/14 23:04:19
Subject: Re:Imperial Knights (Not Titans) Apparently Confirmed - Rumoured Rules and Poss Model Options In OP
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2014/02/14 23:05:26
Subject: Imperial Knights (Not Titans) Apparently Confirmed - Rumoured Rules and Poss Model Options In OP
Darkseid wrote: Oh look who was wrong again! Larry fething Vela!
He was about 50/50. He got credit for all the easy ones and then failed on all the specifics.
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Knight Loadout - Feb 2014 via Larry Vela over on bols *** Knight Kit - Wraithknight sized (bulkier) TRUE - Slightly hunched Imperial appearance TRUE - Head in chest TRUE - Arm weapons mounted underslung from shoulders like the Reaver TRUE - Comes with multiple arm weapons (you can mount 2) TRUE a) Multi-barreled "gatling" styled weapon FALSE b) "Grav" styled weapon FALSE c) "Nova-cannon" styled weapon FALSE d) Giant close combat weapon TRUE
- Optional quad-missile array FALSE - Void Shield FALSE - Many accessories, flags, Aquilas, Mechanicus cogs, minor defensive weapons etc... TRUE - Priced as Lord of Skulls FALSE
We rate this set as medium-low reliability coming from a mix of known and unknown sources.
There has been talk of a plastic Knight somewhere in the GW design schedule for many months now. If you recall it was hyped to be the "big kit" to accompany the Space Marine, then IG release, but current rumor-chatter places it as the key release in March as a standalone kit that can be fielded via dataslate with a variety of armies. TRUE
Also, I would like to take this moment to publicly apologize to 40kradio for doubting them on this one. This makes that whole silly 7th edition rumor a lot more likely.
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2014/02/14 23:08:11
Subject: Imperial Knights (Not Titans) Apparently Confirmed - Rumoured Rules and Poss Model Options In OP
Bull0 wrote: What does Invincible Behemoth do? Is it in the Escalation book or Apoc?
Those models are lovely, I'm very excited about this now.
Invincible Behemoth: A Super-heavy vehicle is so large and strongly built that
weapons which degrade the armour of smaller vehicles will not effect it. Because of
this, any attack that says that the target model is destroyed, wrecked, Explodes! or is
otherwise removed from play inflicts D3 Hull Points of damage on a Super-heavy
vehicle instead.
In addition, any attacks or special abilities that permanently lower the Armour Values
of a target vehicle do not affect a Super-heavy vehicle. Note that attacks or abilities that
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2014/02/14 23:10:35
Subject: Imperial Knights (Not Titans) Apparently Confirmed - Rumoured Rules and Poss Model Options In OP
Paradigm wrote: Those look fething epic, especially the blue+gold one on the full page. I note that the rules don't include points for weapons, so there's going to have to be some kind of further rules release, possibly lending credibility to the Knight/Ad Mech codex.. PLEASE let it be true.
I'd assume that the different knights have fixed weapons so you don't need individual points as you get them set with the Knight you pick.
You're quite right, I missed that in a frenzy of 'oh my god knights in plastic awesome!'. In that case, WD just made a sale, as I'm going to need those rules.
A question for anyone who regularly uses Escalation/Apoc: If I were to house-rule the S: D Mega-chainsword to just a S10 AP2 weapon, what kind of points-reduction would I be looking at? I'm not going to go and grab Escalation just to use one model, and I'd rather not force D weapons on my gaming group, so I'm looking to just edit these rules a little. Similarly, how many points would you say the Invincible Behemoth or whatever it's called is worth?
Basically, IF Knights weren't Super-heavy, with no S: D, what kind of points would be fair? Thanks.
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2014/02/14 23:11:17
Subject: Imperial Knights (Not Titans) Apparently Confirmed - Rumoured Rules and Poss Model Options In OP
Model looks frigging fantastic, rules are a bit meh. The weapons are a bit lackluster, really the only reason to take it is going to be the ability to wreck anything in close combat and survive return fire.
Depending on the price, I might just pick up one. That said, I didn't have a single apocalypse game in 2013 in memory and I don't see my trend ending soon.
I don't have that much spare cash
