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Looky Likey wrote:
Looking at GW policy post Chapterhouse case verdict they seem to be deliberately crafting rules to deny as many 3rd party sales as possible, whereas in the past they might have issued a C&D or just left it and got on with it when not a cut and dried case.

It looks like to me, assuming the 6/7" height of the new Knights is correct, that GW have sized the knight to fit in the middle of the Dreamforge models to prevent losing as many sales as possible to Dreamforge. I would also expect the Knight to be priced between the 15mm and 28mm leviathans, otherwise if it is too expensive some people will go for the 28mm leviathan (more model for less cash), if its cheaper than the 15mm then they are leaving money on the table. Just a hypothesis.

That's a lovely tin foil hat you've got there.

Just got word that the Knight will be the same price as a Baneblade, so €110 / £85 / $140 USD

 BrookM wrote:
Just got word that the Knight will be the same price as a Baneblade, so €110 / £85 / $140 USD

Not as bad as I had thought it'd end up, and definately in the range of something I'll pick up!

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Is it me, or does the silhouette in the video at the end look like a different gun? I'm hoping it is.

Scratch that... looks like the thermal cannon.

FW are bound to do variations of these right... Imagine what might turn up with the HH line, there may be some mega mechanicum styles show up.

if these sell as well as I suspect they will (sounds like ANYONE with an Imperium army is strongly looking at em) I imagine these won;t be the last things we might see.

assuming the knights sell well I think the lesson GW'll take from it is that smallish super heavies that as playable in a medium sized 40k game are gonna be popular. (in a 1500 point game a knights not gonna be out of place)


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 BrookM wrote:
Just got word that the Knight will be the same price as a Baneblade, so €110 / £85 / $140 USD

thats what I expected. no shock there

 Bull0 wrote:
That's a lovely tin foil hat you've got there.

How many units in the new hardback codexes are there that have rules but not models? How many units without models got taken out of the 'Nid codex for example?

£85 with my usual 20% discount puts it at £69, the 15mm leviathan is ~£45 and the 28mm is ~£80 with discount. I would expect more bits in the Knight box but a simpler model as I can't see it being articulated to the same degree.

If this has a transfer sheet with all those symbols on it I'll buy one just for them.

Oh yeah, looking forward to a MEGA sheet of transfers!

Is it too late to mention the refreshing lack of skulls. Also, really like the visual cues that relate it to the FW Titans.

Roll on the FW Knight Castellan, Crusader and Lancer conversions kits...

 zedmeister wrote:
Is it too late to mention the refreshing lack of skulls. Also, really like the visual cues that relate it to the FW Titans.

Roll on the FW Knight Castellan, Crusader and Lancer conversions kits...

Have you seen the bases though?

£85? So £70 ish from the discounters.

From a personal perspective, in which the model will be almost entirely a painting project and is unlikely ever to see a gaming table, the discount price is in the realms of doable. I would love it to be cheaper, I would never pay full price, but even using an airbrush for the basic painting, by the time I've crafted something to liven up the base,designed and painted a herald and done all the details, I'm looking at a solid 2 months of my available hobby time to complete that. £70 for 2 months entertainment isnt awful.

Having said that, I think the move to ever bigger models is a worrying trend in term sof the game itself, yes, they are mostly cool looking things and as objects I like them, but they inevitable end up two feet apart on a 6x4 gaming table and it just looks stupid.
The game isnt one to compare to reality really, but a table of a couple of squads of marines and a transport or two facing a few squads of eldar and the odd tank sort of 'fit' into the table as a believable battle.

A honking great wraithknight and a couple of these? Not so much.

 BrookM wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:
Is it too late to mention the refreshing lack of skulls. Also, really like the visual cues that relate it to the FW Titans.

Roll on the FW Knight Castellan, Crusader and Lancer conversions kits...

Have you seen the bases though?

Dammit! Well, they are optional at least...

NoggintheNog wrote:

Having said that, I think the move to ever bigger models is a worrying trend in term sof the game itself, yes, they are mostly cool looking things and as objects I like them, but they inevitable end up two feet apart on a 6x4 gaming table and it just looks stupid.
The game isnt one to compare to reality really, but a table of a couple of squads of marines and a transport or two facing a few squads of eldar and the odd tank sort of 'fit' into the table as a believable battle.

A honking great wraithknight and a couple of these? Not so much.

The biggest problem is that you can't really go much larger on table size than 6'x4' - that 2' is what you can reach comfortably to move models around. Personally, I'm starting to turn towards 15mm scale like FoW for these higher model count battles. Fortunately, for 28mm skirmish there's also Bolt Action that guarantees that there's no big gribblies coming to the table - unless they release some 'Nazi secret weapons' stuff

The size of the latest models really affects the terrain, too. I guess with the new larger models, you should have multiple pieces of 2-3 stories high terrain, just to block the LOS. With the current kits, you have to start looking how Battletech/mecha tables are set up, heightwise, to make it interesting to move infantry and big walkers around. Even the big walkers SHOULD have to make tactical choices, which pieces to maneuver around etc.. So more cityfight terrain?

These would be an interesting option for some Warlord/emperor titans for Epic 40k... I would imagine that the actual versions would be going for around £80 soon anyway :/

 gianlucafiorentini123 wrote:
If this has a transfer sheet with all those symbols on it I'll buy one just for them.

Oh yeah.. Definitely going to have to snaffle some for Dark Angels stuff.

zedmeister wrote:Also, really like the visual cues that relate it to the FW Titans.

Roll on the FW Knight Castellan, Crusader and Lancer conversions kits...

My thoughts exactly! In particular, the visual style relates it to the FW Reaver beautifully, IMHO.

Optio wrote:These would be an interesting option for some Warlord/emperor titans for Epic 40k... I would imagine that the actual versions would be going for around £80 soon anyway :/

Yup, first two Imperator's I found on eBay were AU$150 and AU$160 respectively, so pretty well spot on the same price.

I've pretty well gone off GW models in recent years (due to various bits of asshattery on their part), but I think I'll be waiting to see what FW come out with in the next couple of months, and then picking up my favorite Knight-variant. I think the amount of time modelling and painting may, for once, be worth the $$$ spent.

 Padre wrote:

zedmeister wrote:Also, really like the visual cues that relate it to the FW Titans.

Roll on the FW Knight Castellan, Crusader and Lancer conversions kits...

My thoughts exactly! In particular, the visual style relates it to the FW Reaver beautifully, IMHO.

Optio wrote:These would be an interesting option for some Warlord/emperor titans for Epic 40k... I would imagine that the actual versions would be going for around £80 soon anyway :/

Yup, first two Imperator's I found on eBay were AU$150 and AU$160 respectively, so pretty well spot on the same price.

I've pretty well gone off GW models in recent years (due to various bits of asshattery on their part), but I think I'll be waiting to see what FW come out with in the next couple of months, and then picking up my favorite Knight-variant. I think the amount of time modelling and painting may, for once, be worth the $$$ spent.

Not forgetting the possibilities for Chaos Daemon-Knights like the Slaanesh ones of old (Hell Strider, Hell Walker and Hell Knight)

Looky Likey wrote:

 Bull0 wrote:
That's a lovely tin foil hat you've got there.

How many units in the new hardback codexes are there that have rules but not models? How many units without models got taken out of the 'Nid codex for example?

£85 with my usual 20% discount puts it at £69, the 15mm leviathan is ~£45 and the 28mm is ~£80 with discount. I would expect more bits in the Knight box but a simpler model as I can't see it being articulated to the same degree.

I just love the way we all talk about GW being totally incompetent one minute but then accuse them of machiavellian astuteness the next. Pick one. Also, if they'd made it more expensive, would you be happier?

 zedmeister wrote:
Not forgetting the possibilities for Chaos Daemon-Knights like the Slaanesh ones of old (Hell Strider, Hell Walker and Hell Knight)

I really hope they do something like that. Or, at least allow to take a Knight detachment as an Ally of Convenience to CSM.

If its cost is really in the range of a Baneblade, then given a 20% discount at the store I'm buying my WH40k stuff, well, gotta save up some monies...

The official announcement sent to all stores notes that the Knight is an option for six armies: "This week arrives a new exciting model for Imperial Guard and every Space Marine army out there! That is nearly half of all the 40K armies and therefore this release will appeal to a lot of your customers!"

So, Imperial for now.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Looks like we have a solid pre order date. This just got posted up on GW website

Could someone type out the date? I can't view the video... Thanks

22-02-2014


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And they'll go on sale the first week of March.

 Bull0 wrote:

Looky Likey wrote:

 Bull0 wrote:
That's a lovely tin foil hat you've got there.

How many units in the new hardback codexes are there that have rules but not models? How many units without models got taken out of the 'Nid codex for example?

£85 with my usual 20% discount puts it at £69, the 15mm leviathan is ~£45 and the 28mm is ~£80 with discount. I would expect more bits in the Knight box but a simpler model as I can't see it being articulated to the same degree.

I just love the way we all talk about GW being totally incompetent one minute but then accuse them of machiavellian astuteness the next. Pick one. Also, if they'd made it more expensive, would you be happier?

It doesn't really take machiavellian astuteness to realise that the model you're making is remarkably similar to competing DF models... one which is 4.6" tall, the other is 8.5" tall, so maybe you should make your model 6-7" tall.

One thing I've just realised is that I am genuinely very excited by a GW release, not a FW release but a standard GW release for the first time in over 10 years.

I mean, you look at these and they look like proper Epic knights of old. No attempt to add ridiculous skulls, unnecessary bling or the usual stuff they've been doing of late. Just an excellent looking model that fits the look of the Imperium. And seeing the Ad-Mech symbol is just icing on the cake! The painting and conversion opportunities are brilliant (Which Knight household will you be: http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Knight#Known_Knight_Houses or create your own).


Seriously, Bravo GW, Bravo. More releases along this line will save your bacon and I can see these being very popular with Vets and beginners alike.

 Bull0 wrote:

I just love the way we all talk about GW being totally incompetent one minute but then accuse them of machiavellian astuteness the next. Pick one. Also, if they'd made it more expensive, would you be happier?

I like how you haven't addressed my point and try to defect onto something else.

Picking up on that anyway, I actually think its pretty stupid to hit back on the 3rd party market both with the case that they brought against Chapterhouse as it was far too overreaching and the over reaction yanking units when they lost the case. Lego has a thriving bits market for things that Lego won't make (like scale versions of real life guns) and they support their bits market, perfect case of the clear market leader in a niche area not being a d-bag and still maintaining sales & IP.

Oh and I think the Knight should be free on the cover of the next White Dwarf.

BrianDavion wrote:

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Is it me, or does the silhouette in the video at the end look like a different gun? I'm hoping it is.

Scratch that... looks like the thermal cannon.

FW are bound to do variations of these right... Imagine what might turn up with the HH line, there may be some mega mechanicum styles show up.

if these sell as well as I suspect they will (sounds like ANYONE with an Imperium army is strongly looking at em) I imagine these won;t be the last things we might see.

assuming the knights sell well I think the lesson GW'll take from it is that smallish super heavies that as playable in a medium sized 40k game are gonna be popular. (in a 1500 point game a knights not gonna be out of place)


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 BrookM wrote:
Just got word that the Knight will be the same price as a Baneblade, so €110 / £85 / $140 USD

thats what I expected. no shock there

TBH i dont think they will sell that well, they are nice and all but at 150 that is an extra 50% more expensive than the DF one and Esthetics aside, DF is just simply a better pice of engenniering and much better model. I can see my self buying the DF wich is an expensive but superb model with articulations and posing on the level of action figures, i dont see my self paying 50% more for an already expensive static model, regardless of the lore behind it. I mean, buying all the accesory parts for DF one brings them closer thou it is stil cheaper and they are not really nesesary. I mean its a gw kit, it will sell, how ever you dont see baneblades all over the place.

This kit looks cool. Shame it's sooo pricey. Makes me pine for my old Epic armies...

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AllSeeingSkink wrote:
It doesn't really take machiavellian astuteness to realise that the model you're making is remarkably similar to competing DF models... one which is 4.6" tall, the other is 8.5" tall, so maybe you should make your model 6-7" tall.

Meh, it wouldn't take much work to remove a couple of vertebrae from the 28mm Leviathan to drop his height a little...

xxvaderxx wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Is it me, or does the silhouette in the video at the end look like a different gun? I'm hoping it is.

Scratch that... looks like the thermal cannon.

FW are bound to do variations of these right... Imagine what might turn up with the HH line, there may be some mega mechanicum styles show up.

if these sell as well as I suspect they will (sounds like ANYONE with an Imperium army is strongly looking at em) I imagine these won;t be the last things we might see.

assuming the knights sell well I think the lesson GW'll take from it is that smallish super heavies that as playable in a medium sized 40k game are gonna be popular. (in a 1500 point game a knights not gonna be out of place)


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 BrookM wrote:
Just got word that the Knight will be the same price as a Baneblade, so €110 / £85 / $140 USD

thats what I expected. no shock there

TBH i dont think they will sell that well, they are nice and all but at 150 that is an extra 50% more expensive than the DF one and Esthetics aside, DF is just simply a better pice of engenniering and much better model. I can see my self buying the DF wich is an expensive but superb model with articulations and posing on the level of action figures, i dont see my self paying 50% more for an already expensive static model, regardless of the lore behind it. I mean, buying all the accesory parts for DF one brings them closer thou it is stil cheaper and they are not really nesesary. I mean its a gw kit, it will sell, how ever you dont see baneblades all over the place.

You say "aesthetic aside", but for me, half the point of buying a model is the aesthetic. The other half is whether or not it's in an army I collect and whether or not it's useful on the table top.

Action figure posing doesn't mean a whole lot to me if I'm not a fan of the aesthetic. I don't hate the DF models, but I much prefer the Knight aesthetic.

Baneblade price? Count me out. Too much for something that will only sit on the shelf, no matter how lovely. I already have all 3 previous GW superheavy kits that do just that.