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I'm in the WD they mention expanding on the Freeblades next week - maybe they'll fill in the blanks then when the model is officially released??

The kit is extremely nice in its own right and while the full rules not being available before the model is out is slightly annoying I hardly think it's that big of an issue. GW have stated that Imperial Knights are an army in their own right so i don't think we'll be left in the dark for much longer.

Edited for rule #1

Ok, this is one of those times we write red text telling everyone to calm waaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyy down and back off before the thread is locked.


Knights existed long before PP. The design of this particular knight, if anything, looks like a classic beetle-back warlord titan. This model is absolutely steeped in GW history and that is not really too open to interpretation sorry. If you don't believe people when they tell you that, it is easy enough to verify, but there is really no room to argue the point, it is pretty objectively provable that knights are firmly of GW pedigree, and of very long established and classic 2nd Ed era pedigree to boot.



There is nothing it looks like more than that, and that is 10 or 15 years pre PP. So, if we can move on before anyone gets in serious trouble, that would be best for everyone I think.

Thanks!

PS - if this thread flips over to the next page and it all starts over again, please direct people to this post and hit the mod-alert button, that would be very appreciated and thanks to those who already did so!

 Vasarto wrote:
Unacceptable stuff

Vasarto, this is a violation of Rule #1. Any further violations will result in a temporary suspension. If you disagree with other posters, do so politely.

So... how long before someone kitbashes several anime plastic models into a 'female' knight?

Well that was nice. Anyhoo...

@ Insaniak...

So you seriously think that they had always intended to release a second article a week later just to say 'Pick one of your Knights as a Warlord, They don't take up a FOC, and can be taken as allies in these armies'...?

No I seriously think that everything shown in WD was a preview of a model and it's rules that will be released in full at a later date.

Do you really think the WD we have now, with its limited circulation, is going to be used as anything other than a limited showcase for rules and product? The days when all the rules you needed to use a model were given out for the price of a magazine are long gone, I think we've known that for some time, so I really dont understand the angst that not having all the rules for a model that you cant play with yet is engendering.

 BaronIveagh wrote:
So... how long before someone kitbashes several anime plastic models into a 'female' knight?

Because if there's one thing a hunchback model needs, it's bewbs.

There are several nice 6 inches anime gynoids available. A few Ad Mech pasties ought to 40k it up nicely.

There is no need to speculate. They already told us why there are rules missing from the article: They forgot to include them.

Which leads me to ask: Can GW print ANYTHING the doesn't need an immediate errata? Holy crap.

And give people some slack about thinking GW ripped off PP. It's not like any of them were even born when Epic knights existed commercially. Hell, you're usually lucky if they have been been alive longer than this millennium.

But yes, it's still funny, and always makes me think of the Penny Arcade/Starcraft.

If anything, there's probably players out there that think the plastic beetleback is something made by "another company with shoddy models trying to copy 40K". It's quaint.

HarryLeChien wrote:
Well that was nice. Anyhoo...

@ Insaniak...

So you seriously think that they had always intended to release a second article a week later just to say 'Pick one of your Knights as a Warlord, They don't take up a FOC, and can be taken as allies in these armies'...?

No I seriously think that everything shown in WD was a preview of a model and it's rules that will be released in full at a later date.

Do you really think the WD we have now, with its limited circulation, is going to be used as anything other than a limited showcase for rules and product? The days when all the rules you needed to use a model were given out for the price of a magazine are long gone, I think we've known that for some time, so I really dont understand the angst that not having all the rules for a model that you cant play with yet is engendering.

I think they actually released a whole codex in two separate White Dwarves, back in the day. Sure, it was Sisters of Battle so it doesn't really count... but I wouldn't put it past them to capitalize on the fact that you'd have to buy two mags to get the full rules.

Well, the Games Workshop website now specifically says you can field them as an army of their own or as an allied detachment to "Imperial Armies" (which, if it's anything like the Inquisition, likely means everyone, including Space Wolves and Blood Angels). And even uses that to explain why there's a knight five-pack on sale.

 warboss wrote:
an army of nothing but heavily armored vehicles in which each and every model is scoring and immune to on average 80% of weapons in opposing squads?

Yeah, that is really annoying. I do not understand why they allowed that. It basically means that the only weapons I can use are inferno pistols melta, multi-melta and maybe, maybe exorcist missile launchers.
Everything else is USELESS.
I had already an hard time justifying taking a few flamethrowers. Way to encourage fun and fluffy armies…

 BaronIveagh wrote:
So... how long before someone kitbashes several anime plastic models into a 'female' knight?

We already have that. It's called the Wraith Knight

um, 5 minutes ago was a picture all all the knight models GW released back in Titan Legions, and now they're gone. Why?

HarryLeChien wrote:
No I seriously think that everything shown in WD was a preview of a model and it's rules that will be released in full at a later date.

Even though the editor of the magazine specifically said that those rules are missing because they forgot them, rather than because they will be published later?

Do you really think the WD we have now, with its limited circulation, is going to be used as anything other than a limited showcase for rules and product? The days when all the rules you needed to use a model were given out for the price of a magazine are long gone, I think we've known that for some time, so I really dont understand the angst that not having all the rules for a model that you cant play with yet is engendering.

OK, so lets assume that the full rules are intended for release at the same time as the model... Wouldn't that be worth a mention in the article?

Because right now, we have no indication that the rules will be published anywhere other than in White Dwarf. If they were intending to release an actual book, either it would be coming out at the same time as the model, in which case it should be up for pre-order at the same time, and so would have been mentioned at the same time... or it's coming out later, in which case we still have the exact same problem of the model being released with no rules to actually use it.


There is no angst here. Just honest puzzlement as to just what you think GW would achieve by not releasing the rules at the same time as the model, and why you would think that this is some legitimate sales ploy when the editor of the mag has already said that they just messed it up...

In the old Titian Legion, the knight Errant had a Powerfist, not a Chainfist. i would gladly go into details off all the old knights and all of their glovy, if not for all my GW books being in storage. I do recall thet there was a knight "Lancer" that had a _____ gun and a Power Lance and 1 or 2 knights that were shooty only.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 warboss wrote:
an army of nothing but heavily armored vehicles in which each and every model is scoring and immune to on average 80% of weapons in opposing squads?

Yeah, that is really annoying. I do not understand why they allowed that. It basically means that the only weapons I can use are inferno pistols melta, multi-melta and maybe, maybe exorcist missile launchers.
Everything else is USELESS.
I had already an hard time justifying taking a few flamethrowers. Way to encourage fun and fluffy armies…

As an AC company player (and they're back now thanks to FW) I might might point out that Guard was the weakest army in local meta at the time, and that much of the whining around here at least was people bitching that their blessed space marine armies were losing to GUARD??? GUARD???? After having my face regularly bashed with foot sloggers, there was sweet, sweet vengeance to be had.

 Perturabo's Chosen wrote:
um, 5 minutes ago was a picture all all the knight models GW released back in Titan Legions, and now they're gone. Why?

Because it was in the middle of a train-wreck that had to be cut from the thread. People piling on instead of just reporting and ignoring problem posts is why you can't have nice things.


Having said that, if whoever made that post wants to re-post it now that the rest of the silliness is gone, that would be fine.

I've ehard that we're getting a digital codex

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned, but i just noticed all the Paladin and Errant knight weapons are one on single spruce, well the body and super structure is seperate on two other spruces. Looks like GW designed the core knight as a chassis that can have other spruces maid to create other variants down the road al-la rhino sprue.

a little digging in the interwebs reveals . . the two "shooty" knights were the "Crusader" and the "Castellan"

 Lockark wrote:
I'm not sure if this has been mentioned, but i just noticed all the Paladin and Errant knight weapons are one on single spruce, well the body and super structure is seperate on two other spruces. Looks like GW designed the core knight as a chassis that can have other spruces maid to create other variants down the road al-la rhino sprue.

Or simply made the core chassis able to accept FW resin add ons, which is more cost effective and therefore more likely at this point.

 Lockark wrote:
I'm not sure if this has been mentioned, but i just noticed all the Paladin and Errant knight weapons are one on single spruce, well the body and super structure is seperate on two other spruces. Looks like GW designed the core knight as a chassis that can have other spruces maid to create other variants down the road al-la rhino sprue.

'Sprue'

It's not a tree.

 insaniak wrote:

 Lockark wrote:
I'm not sure if this has been mentioned, but i just noticed all the Paladin and Errant knight weapons are one on single spruce, well the body and super structure is seperate on two other spruces. Looks like GW designed the core knight as a chassis that can have other spruces maid to create other variants down the road al-la rhino sprue.

'Sprue'

It's not a tree.

'Made'

It wont clean your house

 BaronIveagh wrote:
As an AC company player (and they're back now thanks to FW) I might might point out that Guard was the weakest army in local meta at the time, and that much of the whining around here at least was people bitching that their blessed space marine armies were losing to GUARD??? GUARD????

So, you are telling me that because some space marines used to beat your guard, it is perfectly okay that 12 out of the 18 weapons available in my codex, including the rank-and-file bolter and the most iconic flamer, become totally useless ? Is it fun when a whole squad just become totally useless because they can not score, they can not damage anything by shooting at it, and they can not damage anything in close combat ? And incapable of doing damage is not an hyperbole here, they are not unlikely to do damage, the rules state that no matter what you roll, no matter what happens, they will never ever be able to do damage.

 insaniak wrote:

There is no angst here. Just honest puzzlement as to just what you think GW would achieve by not releasing the rules at the same time as the model, and why you would think that this is some legitimate sales ploy when the editor of the mag has already said that they just messed it up...

That's been my point all along darling; they haven't released any model at the same time as these rules, it's not available until next week so right now those rules are completely pointless in game terms, there's nothing you can use them with as far as GDub is concerned, so who the hell cares if they're incomplete (from the company's perspective)?

You know there's a Codex coming. I know there's a Codex coming. GW doesn't want to admit a Codex is coming for reasons that have been discussed ad nauseum here on Dakka, so I really, really don't see why the fact that the Knights don't have their full rules available ATM is any surprise.

Knight Paladin: The archetypal Knight, armed with a large-calibre Battle Cannon and a giant Chainsword.[2]
Knight Errant: Highly suited to attacking larger targets like Mega Gargants. They carry fearsome Thermal Cannons capable of easily vaporizing steel or flesh.[2]
Knight Lancer: A faster version of the standard Knight, the agile Lancer out-flanks the enemy and scouts their defensive positions. The Lancer is armed with a Battle Cannon and Power Lance for close combat.[2]
Knight Crusader: The heaviest types of Knight made by Forgeworlds along with the Knight Castellan. Though slower and less nimble, they have increased firepower in the form of Lascannons, Quake Cannons, and Heavy Bolters in addition to increased armor.[2]
Knight Castellan: Similar to the Knight Crusader, but replaces its Lascannon with a multi-barrel Autocannon, giving it better firepower against enemy infantry and light vehicles.[2]
Baron: The leader of a contingent of Knights with razor-sharp warrior skills. As a sign of status every Baron has a custom-made Knight suit. Most Barons' suits are armed with power lances and rapid-fire battlecannons.[2]

HarryLeChien wrote:
That's been my point all along darling; they haven't released any model at the same time as these rules, it's not available until next week so right now those rules are completely pointless in game terms, there's nothing you can use them with as far as GDub is concerned, so who the hell cares if they're incomplete (from the company's perspective)?

If they're the only release these rules are getting, then the fact that they came out a week before the model won't change the fact that they will be incomplete when the model is released...

You know there's a Codex coming. .

I know no such thing. We have no official indication so far that this will be anything other than a White Dwarf release.

Nothing's quite like an internet argument over speculation. Why not save the rage for next week? (or when the significant other gets the creditcard bill)

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 BaronIveagh wrote:
As an AC company player (and they're back now thanks to FW) I might might point out that Guard was the weakest army in local meta at the time, and that much of the whining around here at least was people bitching that their blessed space marine armies were losing to GUARD??? GUARD????

So, you are telling me that because some space marines used to beat your guard, it is perfectly okay that 12 out of the 18 weapons available in my codex, including the rank-and-file bolter and the most iconic flamer, become totally useless ? Is it fun when a whole squad just become totally useless because they can not score, they can not damage anything by shooting at it, and they can not damage anything in close combat ? And incapable of doing damage is not an hyperbole here, they are not unlikely to do damage, the rules state that no matter what you roll, no matter what happens, they will never ever be able to do damage.

SM, Tyranids, Eldar, DE, Tau,, dear fething god, the fish, the fish...

No, the SM guy was just the one that stuck out, because he bitched about how unfair it was that IG had defeated him, and that the list was OP, because it was guard and he couldn't run over it in four turns.

I had been run over by the rape train several times, and it was nice to drive it for once.

Does that make it good game design, no. Was it a lot of fun to administer ironic vengeance on those who told me to throw out my Steel Legion and get a 'real army "? Oh, oh yes.