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So, 30-50 Legion of the Damned + 3 Knights...

Sounds like a winner!

 evil_kiwi_60 wrote:
I'm a bit confused on how there's going to be a codex with only two units. Do knights count as troops? Are there heavy support, fast attack, or elite options? If there's an HQ one with any improved stats then that will be terrifying. Also, do you think they will have access to the vehicle upgrades?

Do we know for sure that the codex only has 2 units (the 2 knight variants)? Was that posted somewhere in here that there are no infantry / etc in the book?

 RiTides wrote:

 evil_kiwi_60 wrote:
I'm a bit confused on how there's going to be a codex with only two units. Do knights count as troops? Are there heavy support, fast attack, or elite options? If there's an HQ one with any improved stats then that will be terrifying. Also, do you think they will have access to the vehicle upgrades?

Do we know for sure that the codex only has 2 units (the 2 knight variants)? Was that posted somewhere in here that there are no infantry / etc in the book?

Nope!

And I really hope there are rules that can fully represent a Knight Household, with all Attendants in Attendance!

Curious here, does it go on pre-order on March 1st, or can I actually buy it on March 1st?

 insaniak wrote:
I'm not really seeing the point of buying the White Dwarf for incomplete rules...

You can see the pictures of the models online, and you still need to wait for the codex in order to field them... so why buy the magazine just to read what has already been posted here...?

I'd buy it for the printed pictures for future painting reference, etc. Sadly, it's likely to be sold out before I get to my S-FLGS due to having the rules in it.


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 insaniak wrote:

 Starfarer wrote:

The idea that they were deliberately publishing incomplete rules in order to sell a later book at last made some sort of sense. Finding out that they just 'forgot' to include key rules in the article... And in their haste to correct that oversight (on Facebook...? Seriously?) they still haven't bothered to cover who can actually take them as allies... That's just sad.

Poor form, GW, poor form.

Well, look at it this way:

Do you think any Chaos players might have bought one (or two, three, etc) of these models before finding out if they can legally take knights in their army/as allies?

mm-hm.

Whats with the House Mortimer house marking? Isn't it a bit Tyranidy?

Nuwisha wrote:Curious here, does it go on pre-order on March 1st, or can I actually buy it on March 1st?

Knight itself and extra decal sheet already ARE on preoder, for sale 1st March.
Codex, Companion and novel go on preorder next Saturday.

Alpharius wrote:And I really hope there are rules that can fully represent a Knight Household, with all Attendants in Attendance!

Looking forward to a unit of Eldar Court Jesters

 insaniak wrote:

 Starfarer wrote:

The idea that they were deliberately publishing incomplete rules in order to sell a later book at last made some sort of sense. Finding out that they just 'forgot' to include key rules in the article... And in their haste to correct that oversight (on Facebook...? Seriously?) they still haven't bothered to cover who can actually take them as allies... That's just sad.

Poor form, GW, poor form.

Well, look at it this way:

Do you think any Chaos players might have bought one (or two, three, etc) of these models before finding out if they can legally take knights in their army/as allies?

mm-hm.

Um - I have...

It's a good model, I'm not exactly blown away with it but still want two chaos ones, one Nurgle and one kitbashed with fiends kit. Or riding a Maulerfiend heh.

What I dislike about knights is the curved shapes, I prefer Imperial stuff crude and boxy, I hate the barrel like dreadnought for example (contemptor?). At least it works for showing PP how much superior GW models are, being designed as something very comparable. Quite deserved imo seeing how much in Warmachine was ripped from 40k.

Plumbumbarum wrote:
It's a good model, I'm not exactly blown away with it but still want two chaos ones, one Nurgle and one kitbashed with fiends kit. Or riding a Maulerfiend heh.

What I dislike about knights is the curved shapes, I prefer Imperial stuff crude and boxy, I hate the barrel like dreadnought for example (contemptor?). At least it works for showing PP how much superior GW models are, being designed as something very comparable. Quite deserved imo seeing how much in Warmachine was ripped from 40k.

Knights look different because they were developed by humans seperately from Terra for thousands of years before reunited. The knights are from older technology, as are contemptors, according to background information. You will notice preheresy stuff looks different from "40k"stuff, because according to fluff the pre crusade and preherresy tech was more advanced, but lost after the heresy... The more boxy looks came about once everything went to heck.

Official announcement for the Imperial Knight Codex still says, it includes all rules to take them as part of an Imperial army or as an army of their own.

 SJM wrote:
Whats with the House Mortimer house marking? Isn't it a bit Tyranidy?

Not a bit, it IS.

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/House_Mortimer

Old, old fluff speaks of them being involved in genestealer cults...

 krazynadechukr wrote:

 SJM wrote:
Whats with the House Mortimer house marking? Isn't it a bit Tyranidy?

Not a bit, it IS.

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/House_Mortimer

Old, old fluff speaks of them being involved in genestealer cults...

I have no idea why you linked a wiki page that has basically zero information. Corroborating your statement or otherwise.

 HisDivineShadow wrote:
I have no idea why you linked a wiki page that has basically zero information. Corroborating your statement or otherwise.

My guess would be this part...

"The arms of House Mortimer are a purple Tyranid bioform on a field of yellow."

 Vain wrote:

 HisDivineShadow wrote:
I have no idea why you linked a wiki page that has basically zero information. Corroborating your statement or otherwise.

My guess would be this part...

"The arms of House Mortimer are a purple Tyranid bioform on a field of yellow."

Goodness, I am reaching deep into my memory, I played 40k and epic since it all started. House Mortimer, the archfather got involved with a genestealer cult... there was fluff in titan rulebooks, 1st and 2nd tyranid edition codexes....

 HisDivineShadow wrote:

 krazynadechukr wrote:

 SJM wrote:
Whats with the House Mortimer house marking? Isn't it a bit Tyranidy?

Not a bit, it IS.

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/House_Mortimer

Old, old fluff speaks of them being involved in genestealer cults...

I have no idea why you linked a wiki page that has basically zero information. Corroborating your statement or otherwise.

hrm only information is the little line about the badge - "The arms of House Mortimer are a purple Tyranid bioform on a field of yellow. ", so its defiantly Tyranid, but why? Anyone else have any literature on house Mortimer?

Also does anyone know what the pilots actually look like? I know they're human, but are we talking about hardwired into the Knight? or psychic link?

 insaniak wrote:
Nobody thinks the world is ending. People do have an issue with the way this release has been handled, and different people have different aspects of it that the see favourably or not.

Obviously, that was hyperbole, but it isn't far off the mark. There are certainly people who have reasonable grievances and then there are people who are saying that the rules are crap or that it is a book with two units without seeing the rules or the book. That's what I'm talking about.

But heck, even if we are hard to please, is that really our fault? Is it unreasonable for us to expect the self proclaimed market leader to produce both a good model and good rules at the same time, and to have planned out their release marketing to the extent that they weren't giving out incorrect information, or 'forgetting' to include bits?

Not really, but we're talking about different things. There's a difference, again, between reasonable criticism and gratuitous and repetitive hyperbole. That's what I'm talking about.

But those things do make GW look like a bunch of amateurs, rather than the world's premier miniatures gaming company.

I agree a little that these things shouldn't happen, but I disagree with the rest. Every single thing that GW does is magnified into a huge gaffe both because of their information policy, and because of the nature of the commentary on this site and others. GW makes mistakes, completely agree, but not to the extent that we deride them for.

Accept this Exalt as your reward Petre for a very sound post

OK, I must have missed something. I bought the digital release ($3.99) that had both Knight's profile and stats. Are they releasing something else? Are there rumors of a whole codex? I saw nothing on the GW or BL site saying this.

 Davespil wrote:
OK, I must have missed something. I bought the digital release ($3.99) that had both Knight's profile and stats. Are they releasing something else? Are there rumors of a whole codex? I saw nothing on the GW or BL site saying this.

There's a codex, a companion and a limited edition all coming out.

 krazynadechukr wrote:

 Vain wrote:

 HisDivineShadow wrote:
I have no idea why you linked a wiki page that has basically zero information. Corroborating your statement or otherwise.

My guess would be this part...

"The arms of House Mortimer are a purple Tyranid bioform on a field of yellow."

Goodness, I am reaching deep into my memory, I played 40k and epic since it all started. House Mortimer, the archfather got involved with a genestealer cult... there was fluff in titan rulebooks, 1st and 2nd tyranid edition codexes....

Regarding Mortimer & Genestealer cult, the fluff was in one of these mentioned books/mags -

"The Genestealer Cult is a sub army that has been introduced several times for Warhammer 40,000. The initial introduction by Paul Murphy, Bryan Ansell, and Nigel Stillman was printed in White Dwarf issues 114-116 (1989). Original inspiration for the idea came from a novel by Harris Moir[citation needed]. This book was followed by an article from Andy Chambers and Jervis Johnson in White Dwarf issue 145 (1992) that detailed the Genestealer Cult as part of a Tyranid Army. Later, Tim Huckelbery detailed the Genestealer Cult Army in issues 40 & 41 of the Citadel Journal, under the title Codex: Genestealer Cults[/b]. This official supplemental Codex provided official rules for using Patriarchs, Magi, Hybrids and Broodbrother units. It even included rules for a "Transport Coven Limousine." Later, in the first Codex Tyranids, these rules were incorporated as the "Genestealer Cult Army List" and included all of the characters in their previous form sans Limousine.

In the Codex for 3rd Edition, there were no rules provided for the Genestealer Cults. With the introduction of the Broodlord in 4th Edition, Genestealers could once again be fielded as their own army. Before the 4th edition introduced new sculpts for them, the 3rd edition Genestealers were the oldest models in use to date, being the same designs used in Rogue Trader and the Space Hulk game."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genestealer

2ndly,

The pilots can get in and out of the knights, but control the knight with his thoughts (psychic link). The recent fluff states the pilots hate court events and feel more at home in their knights (paraphrasing), so they are not like dreadnought pilots, but more like Titan pilots....

Reader on faeit212 wrote:I was able to pick up the upcoming White Dwarf Weekly no. 5, and thought you'd like to hear some of this in advance.

The Freeblades mentioned as mercenaries do not appear to be something that anyone can ally with. According to WD, the Freeblades have cast aside their houses and heraldry, but continue their loyalty to the Imperium of Man, "even until death."

This last bit was in a section explaining the 'Marks of Fealty." These are the badges you can see above the knight's head. So far, I've noted three; an Aquila, he AdMech icon, and this last, the Laurels Fidelis. This last one is a skull enwreathed with a laurel.

As these are the three armies that have been purported to make up the Imperial Knight codex, I'm not really seeing anything, fluffwise, that lets Chaos or any Xenos armies take these as allies. Well, I suppose if they can be allied to Guard who then are used as Renegade Guard... I don't know.

There's a bunch of really neat articles in this issue. The Companion book appears to be just that, a companion for the Knight Codex. The article states that it contains heraldry and history, expanded fluff, for the IK release. Kind of a bummer, really. It lists the 7 major Houses of the Knight Worlds, and 7 famous Freeblades are described.

The Codex is mentioned also. Of note are "knightly ranks" in a primary detachment. My assumption would be these ranks are for the various Knight Barons, Knight Seneschals, Knight Wardens, etc...

This assumption is backed up by the battle described between two of the WD staff, Chaos and DA with IK allies. There were 5 knights with different "ranks" with the DA force. Interestingly, but maybe not an indicator, there were no knights on Chaos' side...just two Lords of Skulls.

So it seems, that the rumour about only Imperials getting the Knight is correct. And that the WD editor just forgot what he has been writing in the WD when he claimed that everyone can get it.

 Kroothawk wrote:

Reader on faeit212 wrote:I was able to pick up the upcoming White Dwarf Weekly no. 5, and thought you'd like to hear some of this in advance.

The Freeblades mentioned as mercenaries do not appear to be something that anyone can ally with. According to WD, the Freeblades have cast aside their houses and heraldry, but continue their loyalty to the Imperium of Man, "even until death."

This last bit was in a section explaining the 'Marks of Fealty." These are the badges you can see above the knight's head. So far, I've noted three; an Aquila, he AdMech icon, and this last, the Laurels Fidelis. This last one is a skull enwreathed with a laurel.

As these are the three armies that have been purported to make up the Imperial Knight codex, I'm not really seeing anything, fluffwise, that lets Chaos or any Xenos armies take these as allies. Well, I suppose if they can be allied to Guard who then are used as Renegade Guard... I don't know.

There's a bunch of really neat articles in this issue. The Companion book appears to be just that, a companion for the Knight Codex. The article states that it contains heraldry and history, expanded fluff, for the IK release. Kind of a bummer, really. It lists the 7 major Houses of the Knight Worlds, and 7 famous Freeblades are described.

The Codex is mentioned also. Of note are "knightly ranks" in a primary detachment. My assumption would be these ranks are for the various Knight Barons, Knight Seneschals, Knight Wardens, etc...

This assumption is backed up by the battle described between two of the WD staff, Chaos and DA with IK allies. There were 5 knights with different "ranks" with the DA force. Interestingly, but maybe not an indicator, there were no knights on Chaos' side...just two Lords of Skulls.

So it seems, that the rumour about only Imperials getting the Knight is correct. And that the WD editor just forgot what he has been writing in the WD when he claimed that everyone can get it.

In apocalypse everyone can take it. They probably dont want to let too much go rule wise because of the codex. Friend picked up his Knight today from our Local Hobby shop. And its a realy nice model.

Well GW havent helped their cause by emailing out again for the links to the LotD books etc because they got the original links wrong, man is someone having a bad week in their cyber office... I love the Knights, and will consider them a future purchase to help bulk out my Space Wolves Armoury, they could be the Fang's gatekepers

 RiTides wrote:

 evil_kiwi_60 wrote:
I'm a bit confused on how there's going to be a codex with only two units. Do knights count as troops? Are there heavy support, fast attack, or elite options? If there's an HQ one with any improved stats then that will be terrifying. Also, do you think they will have access to the vehicle upgrades?

Do we know for sure that the codex only has 2 units (the 2 knight variants)? Was that posted somewhere in here that there are no infantry / etc in the book?

I was going off the lack of any other releases besides the new knights for why it would lack infantry. I guess you could just throw guardsmen in the book as well but that's kind of a waste. Also the two variant theory comes from the low number of weapons on the knight. So far I've only seen two changeable weapons which would suggest two types.

 krazynadechukr wrote:

 krazynadechukr wrote:

 Vain wrote:

 HisDivineShadow wrote:
I have no idea why you linked a wiki page that has basically zero information. Corroborating your statement or otherwise.

My guess would be this part...

"The arms of House Mortimer are a purple Tyranid bioform on a field of yellow."

Goodness, I am reaching deep into my memory, I played 40k and epic since it all started. House Mortimer, the archfather got involved with a genestealer cult... there was fluff in titan rulebooks, 1st and 2nd tyranid edition codexes....

Regarding Mortimer & Genestealer cult, the fluff was in one of these mentioned books/mags -

"The Genestealer Cult is a sub army that has been introduced several times for Warhammer 40,000. The initial introduction by Paul Murphy, Bryan Ansell, and Nigel Stillman was printed in White Dwarf issues 114-116 (1989). Original inspiration for the idea came from a novel by Harris Moir[citation needed]. This book was followed by an article from Andy Chambers and Jervis Johnson in White Dwarf issue 145 (1992) that detailed the Genestealer Cult as part of a Tyranid Army. Later, Tim Huckelbery detailed the Genestealer Cult Army in issues 40 & 41 of the Citadel Journal, under the title Codex: Genestealer Cults[/b]. This official supplemental Codex provided official rules for using Patriarchs, Magi, Hybrids and Broodbrother units. It even included rules for a "Transport Coven Limousine." Later, in the first Codex Tyranids, these rules were incorporated as the "Genestealer Cult Army List" and included all of the characters in their previous form sans Limousine.

In the Codex for 3rd Edition, there were no rules provided for the Genestealer Cults. With the introduction of the Broodlord in 4th Edition, Genestealers could once again be fielded as their own army. Before the 4th edition introduced new sculpts for them, the 3rd edition Genestealers were the oldest models in use to date, being the same designs used in Rogue Trader and the Space Hulk game."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genestealer

2ndly,

The pilots can get in and out of the knights, but control the knight with his thoughts (psychic link). The recent fluff states the pilots hate court events and feel more at home in their knights (paraphrasing), so they are not like dreadnought pilots, but more like Titan pilots....

Thanks for the info, I'm still a bit confused of the Tyranid/Mortimer links, I can see nid players buying pots of blue and yellow paint!

Still really looking forward to Knights, been wanting a way back into the hobby and I think this maybe it

New release, the old way...

GW previews the pre-order models in an issue of White Dwarf, we see lots of new models, codex, rules and stats snippets and a lot of fluff and hyperbole. Then 30 days later in the next issue more info is given, painting how to's and other info since all of the models are now out and everyone who wants them have the rules.

New strategy...

This is an assumption on my part but because White Dwarf is now a weekly magazine the info we used to get in one monthly magazine will now be divided up and released bit by bit over the course of four weeks. We are not going to get a weekly WD that has the same amount of content that the monthly magazine did.

The official release of any info from GW on this army was like five days ago. A lot more info is going to be coming out over the course of the next few weeks. I think all of the people running around and having internet spastic attacks need to step back, relax and wait and see what happens. We will all certainly know a lot more on March 8th when the Codex is delivered.

You (we) may not like this bit by bit info release but with the need to have new content four times per month instead of just once, I think this will be the road map of future releases.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Genestealer_Cult#.Uw41ryDTnIU

Basically (think how chaos corrupted humans, but from a tyranid way corrupting humans), Genestealer infects members of another species with its genotype. The resultant changes in the genome of the host cause a fanatical loyalty to the Genestealers as well as a drastic change to their reproductive system; their firstborn children will be Hybrids, a grotesque mixture of the host's race and Genestealers. These hybrids infect further victims, and the infection spreads exponentially. Fourth generation hybrids produce Purestrain Genestealers, and the cycle starts once again...

 pretre wrote:

 Davespil wrote:
OK, I must have missed something. I bought the digital release ($3.99) that had both Knight's profile and stats. Are they releasing something else? Are there rumors of a whole codex? I saw nothing on the GW or BL site saying this.

There's a codex, a companion and a limited edition all coming out.

I tried to follow this thread but there are just too many posts. Is there word on a release date? Where are the rumors coming from?

 Davespil wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 Davespil wrote:
OK, I must have missed something. I bought the digital release ($3.99) that had both Knight's profile and stats. Are they releasing something else? Are there rumors of a whole codex? I saw nothing on the GW or BL site saying this.

There's a codex, a companion and a limited edition all coming out.

I tried to follow this thread but there are just too many posts. Is there word on a release date? Where are the rumors coming from?

Check the first post. It is updated.