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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/15 04:28:31
Subject: cypher and chaos space marines
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Been Around the Block
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Working on a 500 and 1000 pnt list for csm, both of which i'd like to include Cypher in.
Can I attach him to a 10 man punchy csm squad and infiltrate him?
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Imperial: Firespray-31 x1 : Tie Fighter x2 : Tie advanced x1
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/15 05:26:14
Subject: cypher and chaos space marines
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Auspicious Daemonic Herald
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Huge debate on this but the general consensus is that RAW no because infiltrate happens after you join the IC to a unit but to join you have to actually deploy and thus would wave your right to infiltrate.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/15 05:59:10
Subject: cypher and chaos space marines
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Monster-Slaying Daemonhunter
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Note that you could make a punchy Chosen squad, using the Cypher Formation, and then have that whole mess Infiltrate (since they have the USR).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/15 06:36:55
Subject: cypher and chaos space marines
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Been Around the Block
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Will they be a scoring unit?
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Imperial: Firespray-31 x1 : Tie Fighter x2 : Tie advanced x1
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/15 08:49:41
Subject: cypher and chaos space marines
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1) I may be off base, but I believe he can infiltrate if he goes with a unit that does.
2) No, Chosen from Cypher's formation are not scoring.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/15 13:33:43
Subject: cypher and chaos space marines
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Fixture of Dakka
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Arinnoor,
If I am reading your post correct, you are not 'off base' at all. The timing issue concerning joining a Independent Character to a Non-Infiltrating unit does not occur if you are joining the Independent Character to a unit already with Infiltration. This is because the timing issue centers around when you put non-infiltrating units onto the table and when you put infiltrating units onto the table. The Independent Character, as an Infiltrating unit, has to be placed after the non-infiltrating units have already hit the table so it isn't possible to join with them prior to this point and by then it is too late, they are already deployed in the deployment zone.
With Infiltrating units, one simply deploys the infiltrating unit first then deploys the Independent Character within coherency of said unit to have them joined together.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/15 20:25:05
Subject: cypher and chaos space marines
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So I am correct in saying Cypher can infiltrate if he joins a unit that does so.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/15 20:27:09
Subject: cypher and chaos space marines
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arinnoor wrote:So I am correct in saying Cypher can infiltrate if he joins a unit that does so.
Only if he has the Infiltrate special rule.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/15 20:42:29
Subject: cypher and chaos space marines
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Been Around the Block
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The infiltrate special rule states if any person in a unit, and from what I've read you can join an IC before deployment, so why wouldn't he be able to infiltrate with a unit that does not already have it?
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Rebel: X-Wing x2 : Y-Wing x1 : YT-1300 x1
Imperial: Firespray-31 x1 : Tie Fighter x2 : Tie advanced x1
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/15 21:07:50
Subject: cypher and chaos space marines
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Fixture of Dakka
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Where in the rule book did you read that an independent character can join a unit prior to deployment?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/15 23:02:59
Subject: cypher and chaos space marines
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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JoshTheMadTitan wrote:The infiltrate special rule states if any person in a unit, and from what I've read you can join an IC before deployment, so why wouldn't he be able to infiltrate with a unit that does not already have it?
You won't have read that, as that rule doesn't exist in 6th. It was a5th Ed FAQ that allowed it previously
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/16 01:40:04
Subject: cypher and chaos space marines
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Auspicious Daemonic Herald
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JoshTheMadTitan wrote:The infiltrate special rule states if any person in a unit, and from what I've read you can join an IC before deployment, so why wouldn't he be able to infiltrate with a unit that does not already have it?
The IC rules say an IC joins a unit by deploying with it. So in order to be a part of the unit the unit has to already be on the table or in reserves. And once its on the table or in reserves then you aren't infiltrating.
As a result both the IC and the unit have to have infiltrate to be joined together and be infiltrating.
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