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hey guys this is my eldar list i want to run before i even start buying more stuff i want to get some feed back


4x Warlocks
jetbike

Farseer jet bike

4x Windrider jetbike squadron
10x guardian jetbike
3x shuriken Cannons

2x Vyper squadron
6x Shuriken cannon
2x Scatter laser
2x Starcannon
2x Bright lance

WraithKnight
scatter laser
suncannon and scattershield


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if you would like more detail i can provide it

Looks like a cool Saim-Hann army, but I'm not sure how well it will play.

Can I just check (formatting is confusing me) - you've got 40 guardian jetbikes with 3 cannons or each unit has 3 cannons? (12 cannons in total). Are the Vyper squadrons a full 3? with 3 cannons, 1BL, 1SL and one SC each unit?

Are the Warlock each going with a jetbike unit or are they staying as a council?

3 suggestions:

~ For the Vyper squadrons, don't mix-and-match weapon load-outs. Make one squadron will all BL's (and loose the extra cannons) and one squadron with under-slung Shirucannons and either Scatters or Stars (or split them into three squadrons of 2). With the points saved on under-cannons upgrade the BL ones with Holo-Fields, you've not got much anti-tank so they'll draw more fire than the others.

~ On that note, a default Wraithknight might be better too - the Suncannon might be really fun, but it's an extra 60 points (including the scatter) when really 40 jetbikes should be taking care of infantry (pseudo-rending).

~ Singing Spears on the 'Locks and 'Seer

the jetbikes.. there are 10 in a squad with 3 cannons

warlocks will be riding with the jetbikes

just thought it over for the wraithknight i will take it ass the default

and 3 squads for 2 for the vypers is a good idea i will change it

the vyper squads i wanted to run where 2BL, 1SL and 2SC, 1SL

and why should i take singing spears with the locks and seer????


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the jetbikes.. there are 10 in a squad with 3 cannons

warlocks will be riding with the jetbikes

just thought it over for the wraithknight i will take it ass the default

and 3 squads for 2 for the vypers is a good idea i will change it

the vyper squads i wanted to run where 2BL, 1SL and 2SC, 1SL

and why should i take singing spears with the locks and seer????

I figure that the spears are being added as an extra set of punch against vehicles. Str 9 on 12" and armourbane in combat.

Drop the jetbikes down to "9"
For the vypers only take SL/SC
WK needs to be stock
MotLG for the farseer
And depending on how many points left, more WKS would be fun.

EDIT: A seer council could also fit this theme.

I would drop 1 squad of jetbikes and a vyper squad for a sear council.

Jetbike armies are cool but lack the power to take down high toughness targets due to their lack of veriaty and gun power. I mean sure they are super fast but they are point pits. Your Wraith knight is cool but its a giant target that every one has line of sight two and costs an up seen amount of points I'd scrap it for some wraith guards but hey I play Beil-tan not Saim-Han and I wish you the best of luck

Again please use commas and periods more often in your posting....
Also are you really saying that 10 guardian jet bikes cant take out high toughness models? 20 tl shots that rend cause about 3 wounds to a wraithknight and 2 to a riptide.
But even then why would you be shooting at a high toughness model with jet bikes??? Use the Stock (yes thats not what he has in the list but it should be changed) wraithknight and kill vehicles/high toughness models with that.

Wraithknight wasnt only taken for the "cool" factor. Not everyone will have line of sight to it every game, but most yes. And who cares? Put it in any terrain and it has cover. And its jump MC meaning it will get into combat.

I'm not totally sure how I feel about vipers, but keeping with the theme, I would recommend specializing the squads, since they all have to shoot at the same thing. Using a viper squad with bright lances isn't the best use of points, but it gets a second tough target killer in your list. Blade storm is fine for MCs, but doesn't do squat against av 13,

Not sure I agree, vypers with duel cannons that are guided put out a lot of anti anything (save AV13/14) fire power.

The WK should take care of any high AV/MC out there except like CM with shield eternal/TH and gayness like that.

 ninjafiredragon wrote:
Again please use commas and periods more often in your posting....
Also are you really saying that 10 guardian jet bikes cant take out high toughness models? 20 tl shots that rend cause about 3 wounds to a wraithknight and 2 to a riptide.
But even then why would you be shooting at a high toughness model with jet bikes??? Use the Stock (yes thats not what he has in the list but it should be changed) wraithknight and kill vehicles/high toughness models with that.

Wraithknight wasnt only taken for the "cool" factor. Not everyone will have line of sight to it every game, but most yes. And who cares? Put it in any terrain and it has cover. And its jump MC meaning it will get into combat.

Rending as your basis of tank fighting isn't a sure fire bet by a long shot. Also jetbikes atleast when I run them always seem to be the target that eevery one wants to hit so atleast for me its more practicle to dumb those points into other places like for example a large amount of dire avengers or like you suggested a wraithknight but thats a model that costs over $100 and i dont know who has money like that to blow these days cus i sure dont. on the practical side i would suggest dark reapers because their guns have the option of using strength 8 rockets instead of the average st 5 and they are damn versitile. Also the real world cost is low , comparativly. Im sure that from a mech dar point of view this list would work great im just trying to give you the other side from a foot dar stand point.

Well obviously he has the money for a wraithknight because he has one in his list...

shoot rrealy i gotta start readin those things



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before you say anything i tend to read peices and adress what i see


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haha just ignore my last post

Im the same way sometimes....