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Not with his hand the way it is. He would have the thumb down and fingers to the back of the bottle if pitching underhand. And still would be catching himself on fire (even more likely actually). Leg position is wrong for an underhand throw too.

Sorry, it just is an artist/sculptor team that messed up.

Also, if you look at the forward leg in the picture, it is up and forward, the sculpt makes it look back, as if the throw was already completed. Just poor...

I was mainly being sarcastic. Maybe he's trying to dance?

Is it me, or is there a bit too much 'snark' in this update?

Update #26

Mar 27 2014
You gotta problem...Yo! I'll solve it, get rid of the bullets while the Saboteur revolves it!
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We’ve replaced the bullets with the Saboteur and some more workers. Now everything is sweet. Let’s rock!



So let it be done.

"So let it be done." ?

...we still have to actually GET to the point where we would even unlock that stretch goal.

Just a little shy of100k shy of it unfortunately.

Personally I wish when we unlock each new merc figure they would've included an extra 1 or 2 opfor guys as well.

And so it continues...

Maybe. And maybe I'm being overly critical at this point. I guess it just bothers me when something so simple is messed up.

edit: That was in reply to 'maybe they're dancing...'

A little more analysis and I think he is doing the Hokey Pokey and putting his left hand in.

 Alpharius wrote:
Is it me, or is there a bit too much 'snark' in this update?

Update #26

Mar 27 2014
You gotta problem...Yo! I'll solve it, get rid of the bullets while the Saboteur revolves it!
23 comments
25 likes

We’ve replaced the bullets with the Saboteur and some more workers. Now everything is sweet. Let’s rock!



So let it be done.

I agree 100% with you on this... I'm one of the few people that already see this as a decent value but the snarkyness and passive agressive style of their updates and comments is starting to tick me off.

"So let it be done." ?

Alph, LOTS of snark. Clearly not happy with the fanbases reaction to this campaign.

So, the molotav guy is the saboteur? He rolls around without armor, and a tie around his head? Also, I laughed at the 200 year old AK slung on his back...

 Alpharius wrote:
"So let it be done." ?

A reference to Yul Brinner's Pharaoh in The Ten Commandments perhaps? Whenever he made a proclamation in the film it followed with "So let it be written; so let it be done."

 Salacious Greed wrote:
Alph, LOTS of snark. Clearly not happy with the fanbases reaction to this campaign.

So, the molotav guy is the saboteur? He rolls around without armor, and a tie around his head? Also, I laughed at the 200 year old AK slung on his back...

Some guy in the comments for the update said he is an existing sculpt from the table top game.

 Ahtman wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
"So let it be done." ?

A reference to Yul Brinner's Pharaoh in The Ten Commandments perhaps? Whenever he made a proclamation in the film it followed with "So let it be written; so let it be done."

I like that answer, but I don't think that's the case here!

Though they are appearing a little Pharoah-like lately...

I've gotta admit it here, I'm kinda close to pulling my pledge.

He is with House 9 FCC,...... and he has just thrown another Molotov with the other arm,.... that's the follow through.

I'm wondering how the FCC House 9 will fit into the board game,.... they can clearly storm an office,.... but they don't have offices as they are not a MegaCon,.... more like a rouge anti-establishment organization,..... the FCC have 12 houses,.... we've only seen the two (9, and 4).

I love how House 9 plays in the TT game,.... the Saboteur plays in a very intersting way,.... we'll have to see how it goes in Recon.

 CptJake wrote:
Maybe. And maybe I'm being overly critical at this point. I guess it just bothers me when something so simple is messed up.

Were you there for the RRT KS?

 yamato wrote:
He is with House 9 FCC,...... and he has just thrown another Molotov with the other arm,.... that's the follow through.

You have to be making that up, right? Otherwise, he has been holding the burning bottle by the neck longer than I thought. Makes the sculpt/art even more stupid when you add that bit of backstory to it.

I can't tell if this is just second KS jitters or if it is honestly going off the rails at this point.

It isn't quite off the rails yet, but:

Wow, they just pulled a Vanilla Ice parody lyric in that update.

I don't know, I tried to raise my concerns in the comments, the community is in worse defensive mode than the creators....

"we are climbing the valley" sure you are lets not mess with reality or facts.

I just hope when the dust settles the game will be decent, I do not think it can stand as a miniature boardgame with more than half the "miniatures" as counters.

"Didn't Decent 2.0 had the lieutenants as counters?" yes, it did that's why it got the flack it did and it was a sequel to a really popular title with many years under its belt, from a really heavyweight company of the boardgames gender and it had a ton of minis in.

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
I don't know, I tried to raise my concerns in the comments, the community is in worse defensive mode than the creators....

"we are climbing the valley" sure you are lets not mess with reality or facts.

I just hope when the dust settles the game will be decent, I do not think it can stand as a miniature boardgame with more than half the "miniatures" as counters.

"Didn't Decent 2.0 had the lieutenants as counters?" yes, it did that's why it got the flack it did and it was a sequel to a really popular title with many years under its belt, from a really heavyweight company of the boardgames gender and it had a ton of minis in.

I know a lot of board gamer first types, and having an actual miniature for everything isn't always a priority. It's nice, but not a game breaker if the game is actually fun.

And from the rules and the game play videos, it looks like the stuff represented by counters(with the exception of radar blips) don't stay on the game board very long. SecFor1 guys and Employees won't probably last for even a full player turn before getting killed or captured. Blip moves into LOS-its a SecFor1-Reserve Action triggers-BLAM-dead. You probably don't even need to reach for the mini you don't have half the time. And getting them out at all is dependent on how fast you push up the security level. So you may be complaining about not having minis to use for 5 minutes out of an hour long game.

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
I don't know, I tried to raise my concerns in the comments, the community is in worse defensive mode than the creators....

"we are climbing the valley" sure you are lets not mess with reality or facts.

I just hope when the dust settles the game will be decent, I do not think it can stand as a miniature boardgame with more than half the "miniatures" as counters.

"Didn't Decent 2.0 had the lieutenants as counters?" yes, it did that's why it got the flack it did and it was a sequel to a really popular title with many years under its belt, from a really heavyweight company of the boardgames gender and it had a ton of minis in.

You think there fans are defensive on the KS, try their forums.

When I first bought Mercs rule book about 2.5 years ago, I went on to their forums seeking help and asking some questions with their movement system.

I pounded with "knowing nothing" and was deemed a stupid 40k troll. And I didn't even get a single answer.

Fast fact: I never played a game of 40k until about a year later after this incident.

That bad?

Wow, that makes me rethink supporting them.

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
That bad?

Yup. Someone else commented on how hostile and defense they can be on this forum.

well I can blame them for their choice of language and interactivity, but not for their fans.

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
well I can blame them for their choice of language and interactivity, but not for their fans.

I agree there,... Sucks if the forum snapped at you,.... But I wouldn't hold that against the company.

I hope this project still has some legs to move forward,... At least the seem to be listening to the masses and making some adjustments.


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The problem is the masses do not see any issue with the project and some even claim its fine if it ended right now.

I find disappointing that a few vocal think the game as is with carboard counters instead of models for at least two types of units (secfor 1 and civis) has legs to stand against the established miniature boardgame competition.

 Alpharius wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
"So let it be done." ?

A reference to Yul Brinner's Pharaoh in The Ten Commandments perhaps? Whenever he made a proclamation in the film it followed with "So let it be written; so let it be done."

I like that answer, but I don't think that's the case here!
Though they are appearing a little Pharoah-like lately...

I've gotta admit it here, I'm kinda close to pulling my pledge.

I'm already out, baby - and it feels good!

Now it's up to them as to whether I keep watching with my $1 popcorn pledge or if they cam make me drop the famous quote from Al Pacino in Godfather 3...

I pulled my pledge after reading the myth rule book. It was like chewing shoe leather. I was going to drop because of Haste Games KS, but decided to keep anyway because I thought I would regret it.

The components are top notch, but I contributed for a co-op board game. The pieces could have been cardboard on little standees. Would rather have a quality rule book for my group and not metal cards.

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
The problem is the masses do not see any issue with the project and some even claim its fine if it ended right now.

I find disappointing that a few vocal think the game as is with carboard counters instead of models for at least two types of units (secfor 1 and civis) has legs to stand against the established miniature boardgame competition.

You know what? I'm going to be blunt here.
I've only vaguely heard of MERCs before. I've seen some painted figures, thought they looked nice, but they were a little expensive to buy for not-imperial guard, etc. The game is and has always been off my radar as far as ever actually playing it goes.


I got on board with MYTH at the very end. Great deal, lots of models, nice art direction. Still don't have the game, of course, so it's a point of annoyance. Anyway, since MYTH turned out to be an irresistible deal, I put some money down on MERC on Day 1, expecting, well, something a lot closer to the MYTH campaign. I hate micromanaging pledges, so if something turns out to be less awesome than I hoped, and I want to back out, I usually pull my pledge in the last day or two. I did so for DBX just recently. On the other hand, if I see a campaign is just not going to be for me (SDE or that CMON Not-SDE campaign where they couldn't even give us an estimation for AU shipping) - or something about the campaign just pisses me off (as it has here) then I'll pull early and treat it like one of the many campaigns I wait for the 48-hour reminder on.

Basically, I'm not worried about their game now. I'm not worried for them. I'm basically indifferent now that I'm out - no longer invested. It's up to them to make the deal enticing enough to make me come back in - which is harder than getting me in the first time, since I no longer care.

Kind of along what Azazelx said....

Why do they have the FCC saboteur figure as a freebie? If he is house 9, can he be used with the house 4 guys in the box unlocked at $400k?

Being outside the Mercs dramaverse, I don't get some of their freebies so far. And having just watched their gameplay video, you need a crapton of worker figures AND they lost the game. And they know how to play. That doesn't bode particularly well for playing with my family. After losing several times, my kids wouldn't want to play this anymore. Especially as they lost with the most player friendly faction, and I don't even think they attacked with all 5 CCC in the room. That's a rather depressing gameplay video. They really didn't do all that much overall...

This looks more like a hardcore group game, rather than a game for families. Any oversights or problems seem to be magnified. This sheds more light on the game for me.

The FCC are a faction in MERCS but not MegaCon,...

This particular guy is unique in that he is not armored or trained,.... He was not a strict member of the House 9 team. The story is more like a disgruntled worker who takes matters into his own hands, and joins into the attack along side the House 9 guys.

I'd assume that there would be some way to play him as a special employee in the game.

I think that is why he has shown up alone.