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2014/09/15 17:41:31
Subject: Re:Midterms are coming... Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war.
We had a local Democrat tell us about how he respected Hoosier values, that Washington was out of control, that he would not simply vote along party lines, that immigration reform must not reward law breakers.... then he voted for Obama's amnesty for illegals. Before the Midterms I expect to see more Democrats scramble to distance themselves from the current Administration. Once the elections are over though they’ll quickly fall back into lockstep with their party.
The cynic in me also noted that she never once mentioned self defense in her video, only hunting and sporting purposes.
2014/09/16 18:29:48
Subject: Re:Midterms are coming... Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war.
Anytime a Democratic politican talks about guns like they are a supporter I just laugh and laugh and laugh.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
2014/09/16 19:53:44
Subject: Midterms are coming... Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war.
Frazzled wrote: Anytime a Democratic politican talks about guns like they are a supporter I just laugh and laugh and laugh.
Surely there's some gun-loving Democrats our there?
In other news... here's exhibit A on how mainstream news organizations treat Republicans differently than Democrats.
`````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` Jan 1, 2006 to August 31, 2006 for Bush; and Jan 1, 2014 to August 31, 2014 for Obama.
Both eight-month periods are located in the respective president's sixth year, in the first half of the year before the midterms.
In both cases, the President's job approval rating hit lows in the low 40s. `````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` Exhibit A1: Networks covered Bush's crumbling poll numbers 124 times in a 8 month period.
vs.
Exhibit A2: Networks covered obama's crumbling poll numbers 9 times in a 8 month period.
Frazzled wrote: Anytime a Democratic politican talks about guns like they are a supporter I just laugh and laugh and laugh.
Surely there's some gun-loving Democrats our there?
In other news... here's exhibit A on how mainstream news organizations treat Republicans differently than Democrats.
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Jan 1, 2006 to August 31, 2006 for Bush; and
Jan 1, 2014 to August 31, 2014 for Obama.
Both six-month periods are located in the respective president's sixth year, in the first half of the year before the midterms.
In both cases, the President's job approval rating hit lows in the low 40s.
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Exhibit A1: Networks covered Bush's crumbling poll numbers 124 times in a six month period.
vs.
Exhibit A2: Networks covered obama's crumbling poll numbers 9 times in a six month period.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
2014/09/16 19:56:58
Subject: Re:Midterms are coming... Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war.
Use a neutral source or it doesn't mean anything (I mean, fox news id better than that).
Compared to who? Please find me a nonneutral source outside of a science journal...
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
2014/09/16 20:02:27
Subject: Re:Midterms are coming... Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war.
Almost anything is a more neutral source than a orginization trying to prove something. It's like quoting a tobacco company on the health risks of cigarettes.
Homosexuality is the #1 cause of gay marriage.
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2014/09/16 20:04:34
Subject: Re:Midterms are coming... Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war.
Co'tor Shas wrote: Almost anything is a more neutral source than a orginization trying to prove something. It's like quoting a tobacco company on the health risks of cigarettes.
I'll restate, please show me an organization like that. There is only opinion journalism now, often because of vested financial interests. And thats all sides, Fox most definitely included.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
2014/09/16 20:10:31
Subject: Re:Midterms are coming... Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war.
Use a neutral source or it doesn't mean anything (I mean, fox news id better than that).
*dodges Co'tor's clumsy swipe while smiling a gak eating grin*
It's obvious bias that easily described.
Keep this in mind: Both President's falling polls by itself isn't partisan... it's facts (or, as scientifically executed as "facts"). Facts, after all, have no political leaning. No one can say that these facts is partisan.
However, the choice to hammer Bush's poll ratings again and again is itself a partisan choice. (remember the "Grim Milestones", rising gas prices, Katrina, and the whole middle class stagnation????)
Conversely, during Obama's similar fall. The major big networks mentioned it nine times.
I mean, these news orgranizations have the choice of whether to report a specific fact, or conceal it, or whether to give it the "Headline News" treatment, or a minor mention on page A24... which points media's action as a partisan decision.
The media tries real hard not to appear interested partisans (by interested I mean they have an interest in the outcome of their reportage).
Hence, reviewing their treatment of Bush compared to Obama substantiates that there's partisan bias in their reporting.
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2014/09/16 20:11:53
Subject: Midterms are coming... Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war.
Alternatively the television ratings regarding political news have fallen substantially, given that people who are concerned with politics tend to source their news from the internet; while those not so disposed change the channel.
Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh.
2014/09/16 20:15:09
Subject: Midterms are coming... Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war.
Alternatively the television ratings regarding political news have fallen substantially, given that people who are concerned with politics tend to source their news from the internet; while those not so disposed change the channel.
That's true...
There's a belief that 24/7 news cycle will cease to exist in it's current format.
In it's place would be the internet and ppv channels like "The Blaze".
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2014/09/16 20:16:01
Subject: Re:Midterms are coming... Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war.
Considering that I have seen more than 9 reports about his poll numbers, and heard more than 9 reports from evil liberal NPR...I'll just chalk this up to another one of those "the media is evil" scary bedtime stories.
2014/09/16 20:17:06
Subject: Re:Midterms are coming... Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war.
Facts must be presented. At a basic level this entails whether or not a glass is half-empty or half-full. Any such consideration will necessarily be political.
Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh.
2014/09/16 20:22:39
Subject: Re:Midterms are coming... Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war.
Facts must be presented. At a basic level this entails whether or not a glass is half-empty or half-full. Any such consideration will necessarily be political.
I...
uh...
O.o
Sure... I'd go with that.
I was simply saying that the reporting of a poll (ie, the fact of the discussion) in itself, isn't partisan. But, how such polls is communicated and by how much can be partisan.
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2014/09/16 20:26:43
Subject: Re:Midterms are coming... Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war.
Use a neutral source or it doesn't mean anything (I mean, fox news id better than that).
*dodges Co'tor's clumsy swipe while smiling a gak eating grin*
It's obvious bias that easily described.
Keep this in mind: Both President's falling polls by itself isn't partisan... it's facts (or, as scientifically executed as "facts"). Facts, after all, have no political leaning. No one can say that these facts is partisan.
However, the choice to hammer Bush's poll ratings again and again is itself a partisan choice. (remember the "Grim Milestones", rising gas prices, Katrina, and the whole middle class stagnation????)
Conversely, during Obama's similar fall. The major big networks mentioned it nine times.
I mean, these news orgranizations have the choice of whether to report a specific fact, or conceal it, or whether to give it the "Headline News" treatment, or a minor mention on page A24... which points media's action as a partisan decision.
The media tries real hard not to appear interested partisans (by interested I mean they have an interest in the outcome of their reportage).
Hence, reviewing their treatment of Bush compared to Obama substantiates that there's partisan bias in their reporting.
I'm not saying it's wrong (that's a whole other thing) I'm saying that it is a sight that is extremely biased. Slight to moderate bias is OK, but this is very biased. It is a right-wing organization bent solely on proving a single idea as fact. It's just not reliable, and you should get something else to back it up.
On the other part, I find it very hard to believe that there is a vast left-wing conspiracy to distort the media. The only thing these compaines are biased towords is money.
Homosexuality is the #1 cause of gay marriage.
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sebster wrote: Yes, indeed. What a terrible piece of cultural imperialism it is for me to say that a country shouldn't murder its own citizens
BaronIveagh wrote: Basically they went from a carrot and stick to a smaller carrot and flanged mace.
2014/09/16 20:30:30
Subject: Midterms are coming... Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war.
Except of course half the journalists are from the current or former administration, or related to someone in such...
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
2014/09/16 20:31:25
Subject: Re:Midterms are coming... Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war.
I was simply saying that the reporting of a poll (ie, the fact of the discussion) in itself, isn't partisan. But, how such polls is communicated and by how much can be partisan.
Well, that's not true. How a poll is constructed, and how it is presented by interlocutors (tone of voice, syllabic emphasis, etc.), is also necessarily political given that people will often respond differently as a result of very small changes in either.
Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh.
2014/09/16 20:39:22
Subject: Re:Midterms are coming... Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war.
I was simply saying that the reporting of a poll (ie, the fact of the discussion) in itself, isn't partisan. But, how such polls is communicated and by how much can be partisan.
Well, that's not true. How a poll is constructed, and how it is presented by interlocutors (tone of voice, syllabic emphasis, etc.), is also necessarily political given that people will often respond differently as a result of very small changes in either.
Keep pulling that strand dogma.
The point, is that instead of openly advocating for a desired candidate/party, they choose to run stories which, while not obviously partisan on their faces, are nevertheless chosen according to partisan motivations.
Don't claim to be "Fair and Balanced" or "Most Trusted News", when it's obvious that it's not.
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2014/09/16 20:43:57
Subject: Re:Midterms are coming... Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war.
There is bias in media, but it is not structured bias, but personal bias. An individual reporter that leans towards the democrats will unconsciously spin stories to benefit the democrats, same with republicans. As far as I know we only have one example of structured bias in the major media corporations, fox.
Homosexuality is the #1 cause of gay marriage.
kronk wrote: Every pizza is a personal sized pizza if you try hard enough and believe in yourself.
sebster wrote: Yes, indeed. What a terrible piece of cultural imperialism it is for me to say that a country shouldn't murder its own citizens
BaronIveagh wrote: Basically they went from a carrot and stick to a smaller carrot and flanged mace.
2014/09/16 20:47:47
Subject: Re:Midterms are coming... Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war.
George Stephanopoulis is effectively the cohead of ABC News. Guess which Clinton Administration he worked for.
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Co'tor Shas wrote: There is bias in media, but it is not structured bias, but personal bias. An individual reporter that leans towards the democrats will unconsciously spin stories to benefit the democrats, same with republicans. As far as I know we only have one example of structured bias in the major media corporations, fox.
NBC/MSNBC - owned by GE which had contracts with the government and paid big bucks in political donations.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
2014/09/16 20:50:39
Subject: Re:Midterms are coming... Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war.
Dammit, I forgot about MSNBC ! Don't watch much TV.
Also polls can be very biased. Even small things like: How good is President Obama doing? v.s. How bad is President Obama doing?
Can have have an effect on the outcomes. There is also things like sampling bias. And then there are downright falsifications. A little extreme, but gives the general idea.
Edit: brainfart
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Homosexuality is the #1 cause of gay marriage.
kronk wrote: Every pizza is a personal sized pizza if you try hard enough and believe in yourself.
sebster wrote: Yes, indeed. What a terrible piece of cultural imperialism it is for me to say that a country shouldn't murder its own citizens
BaronIveagh wrote: Basically they went from a carrot and stick to a smaller carrot and flanged mace.
2014/09/16 20:57:56
Subject: Re:Midterms are coming... Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war.
