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2014/11/05 06:06:12
Subject: Re:Midterms are coming... Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war.
whembly wrote: Maybe Obama should've taken the Senate's "Advise & Consent" actions more seriously and nominated folks less extreme?
I think this stance is a little disingenuous - I doubt you truly believe this. If Obama had tapped the corpse of Zombie Reagan for a cabinet position, he would be denounced as Obama kowtowing to the extremist left fringe of the party.
Wut?
You know it didn't matter once Reid et. el. instituted the Nuke Option™ for non-SC nominee...right?
You mean when he invoked it in 2013; after 5 years of shenanigans? Again, lets not pretend we don't know the things we do.
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2014/11/05 06:07:16
Subject: Re:Midterms are coming... Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war.
whembly wrote: Maybe Obama should've taken the Senate's "Advise & Consent" actions more seriously and nominated folks less extreme?
I think this stance is a little disingenuous - I doubt you truly believe this. If Obama had tapped the corpse of Zombie Reagan for a cabinet position, he would be denounced as Obama kowtowing to the extremist left fringe of the party.
Wut?
You know it didn't matter once Reid et. el. instituted the Nuke Option™ for non-SC nominee...right?
You mean when he invoked it in 2013; after 5 years of shenanigans? Again, lets not pretend we don't know the things we do.
Sure... but, so what?
Are you saying they shouldn't be doing that?
Why don't we just get rid of it?
It's not supposed to be easy.
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2014/11/05 06:11:17
Subject: Re:Midterms are coming... Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war.
So you have no idea how the R's would "improve" it?
The House bills they were passing had in writing what they wanted to do to "improve" the bill. How could you know if they were trying to bring reasonable things to the table if you didn't know the contents of the bills?
Dude... last fall, right before that "shut down", the house passed several variations of the budget.
ONE had it to simply delay the Employer Mandate. Result? Reid refused to floor it. Several months later? Obama unilaterally delayed the Employer Mandate.
Because... politics.
Please read H.J.RES.59. There were several aspects aimed at defunding the ACA, not just a delay which had already been implemented.
2014/11/05 06:15:06
Subject: Re:Midterms are coming... Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war.
The Democrats may join in to overturn the veto, because they'll remember this happened today:
Because when the exact same thing happened to the Republicans and they lost the White House, the Senate, and the House they turned and embraced Democratic principles?
All the Democrats have to do is wait and see if the Republicans manage to get themselves back to the fringe in 2 years. The biggest thread to the Red Wave is the Red Wave.
2014/11/05 06:20:15
Subject: Re:Midterms are coming... Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war.
whembly wrote: If they don't prove to the American people that they can Govern, it'll be a Blue Wave in '16.
So Blue Wave in '16 it is. If anything, I expect it to be worse than it is now: more posturing and grandstanding, less of anything else. Of course I kind of wanted the House and Senate to flip flop just to keep myself amused.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
2014/11/05 11:36:52
Subject: Midterms are coming... Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war.
I'm a bit bleary eyed having sat up all night watching the results roll in and I'm still no surer what the dakka is going on!
Can I get a straight answer from somebody on this question, because I've been listening to soundbites and Charles Krauthammer all night!
With Republicans controlling both houses and Obama being the President, is this two more years of deadlock?
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2014/11/05 12:13:09
Subject: Re:Midterms are coming... Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war.
Co'tor Shas wrote: Well now that the Rs have no excuse, maybe they will try and work with the Ds.
You do realized that the House passed a feth ton of bills... it's just that Harry Reid refused to floor them for debate/vote.
Now? It'll be easier to put the bill on Obama's desk and dare him to veto it. Then, we'll all know who's the "obstructionist" will be.
By working with, I mean actually working with them, designing bills with them, making compromises, not all getting their own way. Just passing bills and dumping them on the president's desk is not working with.
That's how it works.
Had Reid could've put it on the floor... that ALLOWS debate and compromise. If the Senate changed the House's bill, and pass it... it'll go BACK to the house for more debate and passage.
Ya know... how it's supposed to work?
In other news... the Govenorship... this is insane:
I can't believe Brown is even close... I didn't think he had a snowball's chance...
Wait... you didn't think Brown had a chance? Or you didn't think Hogan had a chance?
Whoops... good catch... I didn't think Hogan had a chance.
Well... both of us were wrong.
Looks like Hogan is the next MD's governor! o.O
Red Wave™ indeed.
Re: MD's governor. I'm still in a bit of shock, but yeah, bad things ahead for MD.
Re: "Obstructionism". I can't tell if you're being facetious or you actually believe it; I've been leaning towards the latter lately. I'm not fully awake to discuss. Just know that the fact that there are people who actually believe that, doesn't speak well of education or political acumen in this country.
2014/11/05 12:21:45
Subject: Midterms are coming... Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war.
streamdragon wrote: Just know that the fact that there are people who actually believe that, doesn't speak well of education or political acumen in this country.
Well when a good chunk of people drink the Ailes and Murdock coolaid, can you expect any different?
2014/11/05 13:36:17
Subject: Midterms are coming... Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war.
Well crap, no one I voted for won. I swore the Green Party Libertarian wave was going to take it this year. Voting 3rd party is always difficult in the US.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
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2014/11/05 13:39:53
Subject: Midterms are coming... Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war.
Frazzled wrote: Well crap, no one I voted for won. I swore the Green Party Libertarian wave was going to take it this year. Voting 3rd party is always difficult in the US.
Voting 3rd Party is like giving a dollar to the homeless person at the street corner. Makes you feel good, but won't make a difference.
2014/11/05 14:01:31
Subject: Midterms are coming... Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war.
Frazzled wrote: Well crap, no one I voted for won. I swore the Green Party Libertarian wave was going to take it this year. Voting 3rd party is always difficult in the US.
Voting 3rd Party is like giving a dollar to the homeless person at the street corner. Makes you feel good, but won't make a difference.
Its way more fun when you take a dollar from the homeless. Oh they hate that!
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
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2014/11/05 14:09:42
Subject: Midterms are coming... Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war.
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: With Republicans controlling both houses and Obama being the President, is this two more years of deadlock?
Pfft. My guess is at least 8 more years.
I'm banking on 2 years of gridlock leading us to another Democratic sweep in 2016. The next two years are politically meaningless for both parties, but the situation favors the Dems going into 2016 when 33 Republican senators go up for reelection (and going up likely having achieved nothing, and do lots of shoe in mouth). I'm putting money down that 2016 will be a repeat of 2008.
Also extremely curious; A Dem won Governor in PA.
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I can't believe Brown is even close... I didn't think he had a snowball's chance...
Wait... you didn't think Brown had a chance? Or you didn't think Hogan had a chance?
Whoops... good catch... I didn't think Hogan had a chance.
Well... both of us were wrong.
Looks like Hogan is the next MD's governor! o.O
Red Wave™ indeed.
Re: MD's governor. I'm still in a bit of shock, but yeah, bad things ahead for MD.
Whoa, seriously! I love in MD and didn't think he stood a chance! "Bad things", though? Our last republican governor, ehrlich, was just fine. It's such a blue state, there won't be any extreme right wing agenda going on. I was so sick of O'Malley and didn't want his right hand man, even though I liked Brown okay otherwise. Looks like a lot of folks felt the same!
O'Malley was basically doing pre-presidential campaigning the last 2 years, even though he stands no chance. I'm sure that hurt Brown quite a bit...
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2014/11/05 14:21:16
Subject: Midterms are coming... Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war.
Frazzled wrote: Well crap, no one I voted for won. I swore the Green Party Libertarian wave was going to take it this year. Voting 3rd party is always difficult in the US.
Voting 3rd Party is like giving a dollar to the homeless person at the street corner. Makes you feel good, but won't make a difference.
Its way more fun when you take a dollar from the homeless. Oh they hate that!
Things like this can happen:
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2014/11/05 14:34:04
Subject: Midterms are coming... Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war.
Also, again regarding Anthony Brown vs Hogan in the Maryland governors race - wow, Brown got crushed, 53% to 44%!
I saw this comment from someone: "O'Malley took the state from the 13th highest taxed state to the 6th."
I mean seriously... what was there prompting us to vote for a Democratic governor, other than most of us in this state generally like Democratic policies on social issues? His tax raising was insane, his presidential aspirations were totally transparent, and Brown just couldn't separate himself from all of that.
This seriously gives me hope that we're more than a "one party state"... as an independent voter myself, who was hoping to vote for Doug Gansler (who didn't make it out of the democratic primary - which as an independent in MD, I'm not allowed to vote in EITHER primary) this makes me very, very happy for our state.
Now, if we can just avoid the super right wing agenda, and just focus on getting some balance in the state - focusing on fostering a more business friendly climate, for instance, since we can only get jobs off of vicinity to DC for so long until we need to do some other things to put people in the state to work.
Man... again, as an independent voter who twice voted for Obama, this makes me very excited! I sat out this voting day, mostly due to time commitments, but also slightly because I just wasn't enthused by either choice, and I thought it was going to be a Democratic sweep. Having our state be able to swing the other way makes me interested in the whole process again - no "one party state" here!
So yeah, sweet, sweet to finally have a little bit of balance at the state level in MD. Hopefully, both parties work across the aisle and get things done for the good of the state. It's still the day after the election, so I'm allowed to hope (and as stated, our last Republican governor seemed to do that fine, at least that was my take, since our legislature is always going to remain largely democratic).
As a final, more general note, this is how the democratic process works - hopefully, it sends a clear message that there are some things voters are unhappy with about the way the Democrats have conducted themselves (in Maryland specifically, raising the feth out of our taxes ). A little bit of balance at the state level is a very good thing. On the national level, I don't have nearly as much hope for compromise, but there's always a chance. Let's see if both sides make the most of it, or fail to do so and continue as they have been.
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2014/11/05 14:36:27
Subject: Midterms are coming... Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war.
RiTides wrote: Whoa, seriously! I love in MD and didn't think he stood a chance! "Bad things", though? Our last republican governor, ehrlich, was just fine. It's such a blue state, there won't be any extreme right wing agenda going on. I was so sick of O'Malley and didn't want his right hand man, even though I liked Brown okay otherwise. Looks like a lot of folks felt the same!
O'Malley was basically doing pre-presidential campaigning the last 2 years, even though he stands no chance. I'm sure that hurt Brown quite a bit...
Apparently Brown's campaign was beyond awful, I'll grant you that. A lot of people saw him as more years of O'Malley, which I don't really see as a bad thing. We have the #1 schools in the nation. The Bay is bouncing back after serious damage from corporate dumping. Are our taxes high? Sure. But do you really think Hogan plans to cut personal or property taxes? Hah!
Look on his site. His first bullet point is practically "trickle down" in a nutshell.
MD has a law requiring a balanced budget. When he cuts taxes, where do you think that money is going to come from?
The man was a crook, through and through. Attempting to sell off protected land, at cost, to a political buddy as being in the state's interest? Come on now.
2014/11/05 14:48:26
Subject: Midterms are coming... Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war.
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: I'm a bit bleary eyed having sat up all night watching the results roll in and I'm still no surer what the dakka is going on!
Can I get a straight answer from somebody on this question, because I've been listening to soundbites and Charles Krauthammer all night!
With Republicans controlling both houses and Obama being the President, is this two more years of deadlock?
By virtue of copious amounts of Obama's veto pen... possibly.
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2014/11/05 14:53:45
Subject: Midterms are coming... Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war.
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: I'm a bit bleary eyed having sat up all night watching the results roll in and I'm still no surer what the dakka is going on!
Can I get a straight answer from somebody on this question, because I've been listening to soundbites and Charles Krauthammer all night!
With Republicans controlling both houses and Obama being the President, is this two more years of deadlock?
By virtue of copious amounts of Obama's veto pen... possibly.
Let's be clear: The republicans are on record saying that their plan is to pass a bunch of gak that they KNOW is going to be vetoed purely to make a political statement.
But yeah, totally going to be the President's fault.
2014/11/05 15:24:51
Subject: Midterms are coming... Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war.
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: I'm a bit bleary eyed having sat up all night watching the results roll in and I'm still no surer what the dakka is going on!
Can I get a straight answer from somebody on this question, because I've been listening to soundbites and Charles Krauthammer all night!
With Republicans controlling both houses and Obama being the President, is this two more years of deadlock?
By virtue of copious amounts of Obama's veto pen... possibly.
Let's be clear: The republicans are on record saying that their plan is to pass a bunch of gak that they KNOW is going to be vetoed purely to make a political statement.
But yeah, totally going to be the President's fault.
Or... ya know... Obama could work with the Republicans.
Ya know... like when President Bill Clinton did?
Obama like to say "I won" a lot...
Guess what? Republican won too.
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2014/11/05 15:39:59
Subject: Re:Midterms are coming... Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war.
Meanwhile, in China, the quest for world domination continues...
America, I love your food, I love your women (some of them anyway) I love your film and TV programmes, and I love Sherman tanks and P-51 Mustangs
BUT
If America is going to be crippled by deadlock for the next 8 years, then I'm jumping ship. As America gets weaker, China, unhindered by all this democracy nonsense, gets stronger.
I've already ordered my copy of Das Kapital, so farewell America, and thanks for the memories.
All hail the glorious people's republic of China.
"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
2014/11/05 15:43:03
Subject: Midterms are coming... Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war.
). A little bit of balance at the state level is a very good thing. On the national level, I don't have nearly as much hope for compromise, but there's always a chance. Let's see if both sides make the most of it, or fail to do so and continue as they have been.
