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 whembly wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
What are the Dems current economic polices, I honestly have no idea because nothing ever gets done.

Have you not paid attention to me?

All I hear is extremists slinging mud at each other lately, not anything getting implemented, so yes I'm serious.

No, I haven't been paying attention to you .

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

No, I haven't been paying attention to you .

Figures...

Tell you what... do you want me to list out the things they did?

-Bailout Banks?
-Bailout GM at expense of bankruptcy laws?
-Solyndra (picking winners/losers)?
-Packed the DC appellate court?
-Obamacare?

I can keep going...

Prestor Jon wrote:
Personally, I enjoy deadlock and wished it happened more often. The govt that governs least governs best.

You're clearly a reasonable dude and I agree with a lot of what you posted in thius thread but... I'm not an economist, but when we lost our AAA credit score due to the gridlock over budgetary issues... I'm not so sure the above is true.

 whembly wrote:
Just wanted to update this that (R)s did have a plan to replace it:
BURR, COBURN, HATCH UNVEIL OBAMACARE REPLACEMENT PLAN

Again, you're being more than a little dishonest with timelines here.

Just like when you said that Mr. Reid removing filibusters should have meant no problems for President Obama getting nominees confirmed (and omitting that didn't happen until 5 years into his presidency after nearly unbroken stonewalling of his nominees); you're producing a proposal to replace the ACA that's 10 months old and pretending that's what they meant to do for the nearly 4 years in between the law getting signed and that being suggested as a replacement.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
I may be going massively OT here, but if the DoE was created in 1980, then it was created UNDER REAGAN'S WATCH (apologies for the capitals )

What happened to Reagan taking on big government, what happened to Reagan being the scourge of red tape and bureaucracy, what happened to Reagan cutting back the deficit? Now it seems the guy was creating departments left right and centre and throwing money on the fire!

Damn this thread for destroying the Ronald Reagan myth!

Well, most myths aren't true. Reagan greatly increased the deficit, got the EITC instituted, raised taxes, gave amnesty to illegal aliens, and so on.

That being said, the Department of Education isn't on him - Jimmy Carter signed that, thus giving Mr. Reagan's administration more time to spend on illegally selling arms to Iran.

 whembly wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

No, I haven't been paying attention to you .

Figures...

Tell you what... do you want me to list out the things they did?

-Bailout Banks?
-Bailout GM at expense of bankruptcy laws?
-Solyndra (picking winners/losers)?
-Packed the DC appellate court?
-Obamacare?

I can keep going...

You realize that TARP and GM were Bush's babies right?

I don't like Obama either but I'm at least going to dislike him for things he did. Hell, TARP and the auto bailout were proudly announced by Bush...seriously 10 seconds on the internet.

I'm confused. Were we supposed to let the banks fail? We're not Iceland, who was able to let the banks fail because the debt in their banks was foreign and not a domestic retail market collapse.

This thread has gone on for 21 pages before I realized it wasn't about college exams.

Well, it's rapidly not becoming about the other midterms anymore, either. So, that's OK.

 Ouze wrote:

 whembly wrote:
Just wanted to update this that (R)s did have a plan to replace it:
BURR, COBURN, HATCH UNVEIL OBAMACARE REPLACEMENT PLAN

Again, you're being more than a little dishonest with timelines here.

Just like when you said that Mr. Reid removing filibusters should have meant no problems for President Obama getting nominees confirmed (and omitting that didn't happen until 5 years into his presidency after nearly unbroken stonewalling of his nominees); you're producing a proposal to replace the ACA that's 10 months old and pretending that's what they meant to do for the nearly 4 years in between the law getting signed and that being suggested as a replacement.

It's not the only plan Ouze... there were MANY other alternative proposals even after the passage of the ACA.

And for some of Obama appointees, some opposition were bipartisan. But, you'd have to admit, the Reid rule was effective in packing liberal-idealogues in the court.


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 Ouze wrote:
Well, it's rapidly not becoming about the other midterms anymore, either. So, that's OK.

Yeah... do we need a new thread or keep the political crap here?

 Ouze wrote:
Well, it's rapidly not becoming about the other midterms anymore, either. So, that's OK.

Hehe...Seriously I saw this thread tonight on page 21, and wondered "Damn....how many exams can they possibly be giving college kids these days.

 whembly wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
Well, it's rapidly not becoming about the other midterms anymore, either. So, that's OK.

Yeah... do we need a new thread or keep the political crap here?

1) Best to keep it all in one spot, for ease of nuking when it inevitably goes sideways. If you'd like I could change to title to something more general, 'US Midterm elections and the political consequences' or something similar.

2) You are one of the users most heavily involved in the political 'crap' in this thread, so that is an interesting choice of words ha

 motyak wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
Well, it's rapidly not becoming about the other midterms anymore, either. So, that's OK.

Yeah... do we need a new thread or keep the political crap here?

1) Best to keep it all in one spot, for ease of nuking when it inevitably goes sideways. If you'd like I could change to title to something more general, 'US Midterm elections and the political consequences' or something similar.

Sure... change it to what you think is appropriate.

2) You are one of the users most heavily involved in the political 'crap' in this thread, so that is an interesting choice of words ha

I'm a political junkie... of course all of this is crap.

At the very least this thread should be good for a few more months. I can't wait to see how Mitch McConnell actually helps to end gridlock as he has promised. The fact he could even say that with a straight face was amazing.

 Ouze wrote:
At the very least this thread should be good for a few more months. I can't wait to see how Mitch McConnell actually helps to end gridlock as he has promised. The fact he could even say that with a straight face was amazing.

Why? Is it because you think Obama will have a temper tantrums and not sign gak?

"Here's a proposal that completely undoes you signature accomplishment and provides nothing in return. Now, will you sign it... or are you an obstructionist?"

 Ouze wrote:
At the very least this thread should be good for a few more months. I can't wait to see how Mitch McConnell actually helps to end gridlock as he has promised. The fact he could even say that with a straight face was amazing.

If you're waiting on fulfilled promises then pick a number and wait in line. We're still waiting for the most transparent Administration ever, the reduction in foreign military adventures, rolling back the damage from the Patriot Act, and the closing of Gitmo

Who changed this thread title? I've spent five minutes of my life rooting around for something that was under my nose!

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Who changed this thread title? I've spent five minutes of my life rooting around for something that was under my nose!

Why don't you just get a tissue and blow it?

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:
If you're waiting on fulfilled promises then pick a number and wait in line. We're still waiting for the most transparent Administration ever, the reduction in foreign military adventures, rolling back the damage from the Patriot Act, and the closing of Gitmo

#whataboutism

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Who changed this thread title?

God

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
At the very least this thread should be good for a few more months. I can't wait to see how Mitch McConnell actually helps to end gridlock as he has promised. The fact he could even say that with a straight face was amazing.

If you're waiting on fulfilled promises then pick a number and wait in line. We're still waiting for the most transparent Administration ever, the reduction in foreign military adventures, rolling back the damage from the Patriot Act, and the closing of Gitmo

I voted for Romney, but I was really hoping that the two good things to come out of this would be the closing of Gitmo and repealing the patriot act. The PA was the single largest blow to individual freedom in a long time and what did Obama do? He doubled down on it.
If I were a liberal, I'd be livid. (Oh, and I'd also be pissed about that whole transparency thing. Yeah, that didn't happen either.)

 Easy E wrote:
Can someone explain to me the following points since I am not familiar with the Rightwing Blog-o-sphere; except through Whembly.

1. The number one thing on voters mind during Exit polls was the Economy?

2. The Economy is considred to be recovering?

3. What were these Economy voters concerned about?

4. Why did this lead to them voting for Republicans?

The economy is not recovering for a majority of people. The US has been through a structural economic change. Serious, continuous long term work needs to be done.

 Frazzled wrote:
The economy is not recovering for a majority of people.

Mostly in sections that can't afford PACs.

 Ahtman wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
The economy is not recovering for a majority of people.

Mostly in sections that can't afford PACs.

I'm glad CEO's and Congressmen can give themselves raises again, so that's good... Wait, they never stopped doing that.

 Ouze wrote:
"Here's a proposal that completely undoes you signature accomplishment and provides nothing in return. Now, will you sign it... or are you an obstructionist?"

Yep... 16 Senators who voted for Obamacare either failed to win reelection or declined to run for reelection and had their seats turned over to Republicans.

It's that toxic. However, I would expect the GOP to "give up something" in return to force his signature.
(ie, keeping the popular pieces of the leglisation... no lifetime max, co pre-existing condition exclusion, etc..).

That way, it doesn't completed undo his craptastic law and gives him something to crow about when he leaves.

If they work together, I'm sure they can find a way to fix the problems in the law. Although that means neither of them get everything their own way.

 Ouze wrote:

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:
If you're waiting on fulfilled promises then pick a number and wait in line. We're still waiting for the most transparent Administration ever, the reduction in foreign military adventures, rolling back the damage from the Patriot Act, and the closing of Gitmo

#whataboutism

#inconvenientfactthatOuzejustdoesntlike#toochuffingbad

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

 Ouze wrote:

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:
If you're waiting on fulfilled promises then pick a number and wait in line. We're still waiting for the most transparent Administration ever, the reduction in foreign military adventures, rolling back the damage from the Patriot Act, and the closing of Gitmo

#whataboutism

#inconvenientfact

#whyallthehastags

Cool stuff:
Republicans won more elusive midterm votes


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 Co'tor Shas wrote:
#whyallthehastags

I was just responding in kind to Ouze

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
#whyallthehastags

I was just responding in kind to Ouze

I know, it's a (apparently bad) joke.

 Frazzled wrote:

 Easy E wrote:
Can someone explain to me the following points since I am not familiar with the Rightwing Blog-o-sphere; except through Whembly.

1. The number one thing on voters mind during Exit polls was the Economy?

2. The Economy is considred to be recovering?

3. What were these Economy voters concerned about?

4. Why did this lead to them voting for Republicans?

The economy is not recovering for a majority of people. The US has been through a structural economic change. Serious, continuous long term work needs to be done.

Right. Which iswhy I am wonering why they voted for Republicans? You are mad bout the economy not growing for a large portion of people and your reaction is to vote for the people that think cutting taxes and reducing regulation for the people that have benefitted from the recovering economy is the solution? There is low information voting and then their is just idiocy.

Whembly answered it best though. You vote for the Republicans because they weren't the ones in office.