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I'm preparing to start my very first tabletop army. I chose Eldar due to the fact that I always loved playing them in Dawn of War. I like the lore behind them and they seem like a nifty race. I am welcoming any and all suggestions as far as constructing this Eldar army. I bought the codex and some jetbikes, but that is all I have so far. I've been looking at army lists and I've seen some units that I can't find models for sale. I heard there is some conversions or something of that nature that you can do to make these particular units. Advice on this would be especially helpful. Thanks for helping out the new guy and I'm looking forward to learning a lot.
There are models available for almost all units in the Eldar codex (although some are finecast), the only real exception I can think of are Warlocks and Farseers on Jetbikes, which you should be able to Google various conversions guides for.
Some other units you may see in lists but not find GW models for are Forgeworld models (http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/), which are not in the Codex for the most part - not recommended for new gamers due to being made of resin (needs extra prep during construction).
Give us some examples of units and we'll be able to point you in the right direction, good luck and welcome to Dakka!
Quanar wrote: There are modbikesels available for almost all units in the Eldar codex (although some are finecast), the only real exception I can think of are Warlocks and Farseers on Jetbikes, which you should be able to Google various conversions guides for.
Some other units you may see in lists but not find GW models for are Forgeworld models (http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/), which are not in the Codex for the most part - not recommended for new gamers due to being made of resin (needs extra prep during construction).
Give us some examples of units and we'll be able to point you in the right direction, good luck and welcome to Dakka!
Thanks for the reply, Quanar. You nailed it. The Farseer and deadlock council on jet bikes were precisely one of the models I couldn't find. I was looking for an effective, but inexpensive means of making these models. I am more concerned with practicality than the looks of it. I just want to be able to play the models as the units I intend them to be in tournaments. I can work on more permanent and aesthetically pleasing conversations a little bit further down the road. Right now I just want to get my army together so I can stay playing and getting some experience.
Thanks,
Thorswarhammer
Automatically Appended Next Post: *Warlock council* autocorrect on phone. Eh...Lol
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Automatically Appended Next Post: Another example would be the Baron Sathonyx model. It is a hellion model with mods, as I understand, but I can't seem to find an itemized list of mods in order to make Baron. Any links or help is much appreciated.
Thanks,
Thorswarhammer
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There is no inexpensive way to make a jetbike seercouncil. If you want also them to look good then you are going to have to convert Dark eldar jetbikes or resolve in 3rd party sculpts. Either way they are gonna cost an arm and a leg. I find eldar to be one of the most expensive elite armies out there if you want to have every model available, since there is a plethora of units (especially heavy support) that come in 3 and then you can field 3 of the same unit (Eg warwalkers). Also things like the jetseer council make the cost skyrocket. I guess hoard armies can outcost us but for an elite army you are paying through the nose!
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What i did for my warlock and seer council on bikes was just take the heads and spears from warlock/farseer kits and put them onto the guardian jetbike squad. Simple but effective. And from the models your wanting it seams your gonna make a seer council of doom deathstar, and heres an article for that. http://www.frontlinegaming.org/2013/08/29/tactica-eldar-seer-council-on-jetbikes/ A good list is seer council with baron supported by wave serpents and wraithknights. Does well.
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ninjafiredragon wrote: What i did for my warlock and seer council on bikes was just take the heads and spears from warlock/farseer kits and put them onto the guardian jetbike squad. Simple but effective. And from the models your wanting it seams your gonna make a seer council of doom deathstar, and heres an article for that. http://www.frontlinegaming.org/2013/08/29/tactica-eldar-seer-council-on-jetbikes/ A good list is seer council with baron supported by wave serpents and wraithknights. Does well.
Hi there, and thanks for the informative reply. I like the article you linked. On the seer/warlock jetbike council: I have the jetbikes with the guardians on them. I will purchase the farseer/warlocks if need be. Which product would you recommend buying for this mod, given that I have the jetbikes? (Link if possible) Or would bits be more efficient?
Another idea I had was cutting the guardians completely off the bikes and magnetizing the unit and simply standing it on top of the bike.
Alright for the wrest of your army what exactly do you want to do with them. You have two main options as most people see and they sort of explain themselves. Footdar - footslogger eldar very few tanks or Mechdar- Mechognized eldar crap tons of tanks. I personally find foot dar to be the most befitting for me but since your making a jet bike council I would suggest Mechdar of which I have very little nollidge of. If you decide footdar pm me ide love to help.
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There are a couple of decent ways to model a Jetseer council:
1) The easiest way - standard council (Warlock / Farseer) models on "hover-boards"
Using Dark Eldar Helion boards - http://kael-din.com/?p=662
Or Eldar heavy weapon platforms - http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/30793-.html These are simple, but can run into problems when you're running the Baron too, since they are different unit types (Jetbike / Jump Infantry) and different toughnesses (3/4).
I converted my Jetseer by buying a DE Succubus model, with some work, the legs fit the jetbike and looks pretty good, especially since it's on a Reaver rather than Windrider jetbike.
She also doubles up as an Autarch and conveniently comes with a spear and a sword option and the sword looks really cool, so you can model the Shard of Anaris, for instance, with that.
Very nice, My jetbikes are the third picture, although they have ghost helms, which just makes them look like a real far seer.
But thats not necessary.
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Quanar wrote: There are a couple of decent ways to model a Jetseer council:
1) The easiest way - standard council (Warlock / Farseer) models on "hover-boards"
Using Dark Eldar Helion boards - http://kael-din.com/?p=662
Or Eldar heavy weapon platforms - http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/30793-.html These are simple, but can run into problems when you're running the Baron too, since they are different unit types (Jetbike / Jump Infantry) and different toughnesses (3/4).
That was all extremely helpful, especially with the links. I thank you kindly for all the help. I have a burning question though. I want to preserve the warlocks and retain functionality of the models in a stand-alone fashion as well as serve the purpose of the jetbike council ( a sort of dual purpose if you will). My idea was to cut the guardian models on the jetbikes from the torso up, mount a magnet to the seat and a magnet to the bottom of the warlocks. Then I could simply place the warlocks on top of the seats of the jetbikes whenever I wanted them as a jetbike unit or remove them and have them stand for other games. I know it may sound tacky, but I am more worried about functionality than aesthetics. Any input on this would be welcomed. I am more concerned with the legality for tournaments in this matter, etc.
You would have to find a way to get a strong enough magnet... those (metal) warlocks are heavy. And youd have to drill into the body and legs or your warlock to get the magnet inside.
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Well, mounting Seers on jetbikes as shown is an option.
But frankly, I wouldn't start Eldar with a Jetbike Council. If it doesn't get fortuned all the time or if it faces Nids with Shadows in the Warp, then it might be screwed.
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So possibly scrapping the magnet idea, but still thinking about the most efficient means. Also, I seem to see most of the councils all have singing spears. Does this matter at all, or is it simply just for looks?
Any suggestions as to exact models that would be best for the task? I've seen several different warlock models, and I don't quite know which one to order.
Honestly, I just made my seer council from guardian bikes, use the whole guardian (minus the head/arms) and then from there you can chose what pieces to do, personally spears are cool, for 5pts a S9 12" weapon that can ID and pen tanks, while on the other hand they already have TL shurkin catapults I can't make that decision as it changes game to game.
Also, as seeing that you are new to eldar as many people no doubt have told you, the seer council depends on psychic powers going off, if you get a bad psychic faze (perils or something) you can be looking at a dead 750pt unit, but if that's ok with you I wish you good luck and happy gaming!
Arbiter wrote: Honestly, I just made my seer council from guardian bikes, use the whole guardian (minus the head/arms) and then from there you can chose what pieces to do, personally spears are cool, for 5pts a S9 12" weapon that can ID and pen tanks, while on the other hand they already have TL shurkin catapults I can't make that decision as it changes game to game.
Also, as seeing that you are new to eldar as many people no doubt have told you, the seer council depends on psychic powers going off, if you get a bad psychic faze (perils or something) you can be looking at a dead 750pt unit, but if that's ok with you I wish you good luck and happy gaming!
I'm totally cool with the win or die tactic, and I'm really into the whole psychic war. I like the idea behind the warlock council. I'm just trying to make the right decisions as far as the conversion. I want something that will be usable in tournaments of any scale. Also, I don't know how likely there would be a rule to come down preventing me from playing with the converted models, but if that were the case I would want something that is easily reversible, as I have dropped a pretty penny on models that are now useless otherwise. I also like the idea of having the option of removing the warlocks from the bikes if I decide I want to play them as a standing unit in a particular game. I know it may seem like I'm wanting someone to dictate my decisions for me, but I'm new to the game and just don't want to make a mistake of investing money into models that I will not be able to use.
So you are saying leave the guardians on the bikes and attach which pieces for arms and head? I assume you are saying the warlock head and arms.
I have a Farseer and Warlock on jetbikes I converted a few years ago, using the Shining Spears torsos. I put some large runes on the Jetbike Carapace and painted them different colors from my regular Jetbikes. I cobbled together a spear for the Farseer and a Witchblade for the Warlock form a bunch of bits, but now I would use bits from the High Elves line for those. You can get them in lots of like 5-10 from bits suppliers on eBay, or another similar auction site, and many of them even have runes along them.
I'm not really a fan of how the actual Farseer and Warlocks torsos look on Jetbikes. They look slightly off to me, compared to what someone riding a jetbike should look, the body positioning just doesn't look right.
I magged my Warlocks to the Vauls weapon platforms, and can also mount them to 25mm bases. (Before I got extra foot models. Still, it helps with transport.)
I wouldn't recommend the council either. I used to rock face with them, but in todays games, you can quickly make a mistake or misroll that will cost you dearly.
Don't get me wrong; they are an AWESOME unit. They require a REALLY skilled or hugely LUCKY player to consistently win. Unless you're the "Big Fish in the pond".
If you want something that will bring tears and cries of cheese as you push the easy button, get yourself a boatload of Wave Serpents and Dire Avengers.
If you're looking for a couple of great units, look for Spiders, Wraithknights, and Jetbikes.
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I think magnets at the waist would work. And I doubt there would ever be a rule that you couldn't use converted units.
Singing spears are useful, and don't have the down-side they had in the previous Codex, so the only balance is the points cost - depending on the size of council I'd suggest about 50%, and on Seer's over 'Locks due to the better BS.
There are plenty of warlock models, but aside from the spears there's no difference game-wise. The failcast ones would be much easier to convert though.
You've should have carved him a little further, The Farseer looks like he has broken his legs in a odd way now. Or he's positioned a little wrong.
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I thank all of you for your responses, especially the ones regarding the conversion of the jetlock council. I suppose the next order of business is Baron. I'm thinking I should just buy the bits individually for this guy, or would it be better to buy a pack of hellions? I don't really plan on building a DE army, so I think it might be pointless to have extra hellion bits lying around. Any comments on this?
Well I bought lilith a while back, decided i'll never play with witches, and so i carefully took her off the base, put her on a grav board, and boom I got the baron(ess), as to other options, find a DE player ask him to buy a pack of helis and then buy 1 from him.
If you want something that will bring tears and cries of cheese as you push the easy button, get yourself a boatload of Wave Serpents and Dire Avengers.
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Oh come on, enough with this baloney! It is not the players' fault for having a superb dedicated transport. There is nothing cheesey about maxing out a basic troops choice and their primary basic transport. 'Hate the Game...' GW should be able to balance out these things and it was a HUGE failure on their part to overlook the strength of the Wave Serpent.
Now capitalizing on Battle Bros is a totally different thing altogether...
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Magnets will be your friend on the Knight.
Mag the waist, shoulder mounted guns, arms and large gun barrels for swaps and ease of transport. (the B-foam triple serpent tray works well to transport 2.)
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gregor_xenos wrote: (My preferred build is 6 serpents *Scat/Can 5DA* and 2 Serpent *BL/Can 5 Dragons* Autarch *fusion* @1850 pts.)
Brightlances on serpents...you only pen/glance every other turn... to meh for me.
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Laughingseer 160
x4 5 man dire avengers in serpent tlslschf (210) 840
3 jet bikes 51
3 jet bikes 51
wraith knight 240
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wraith knight 240
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I'm unfamiliar with a lot of jargon. What exactly is "Laughingseer?" I like the build though. It looks similar to something I'm putting together.
This is my build so far
At the moment I have 12 Jetbike Guardians that I'm thinking about converting to seer warlock jetbike council. Thinking about doing that, but I'm unsure on it.
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