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Raw Dogger and Reecius have a friendly game with Night Lords and Grey Knights in this 1750pt battle!

Nice batrep.

The bastion is not a unit or model for purposes of being tabled so I would imagine it is not a KP or first blood either.

As Alpha legion you are supposed to use whatever book suites your play style. That way there is greater mystery as to what you are trying to play as. Also by using so many different ways to fight you follow the legion doctrine...so to make Alpharius proud you should play them as Taudar.

Honestly I think that the C:SM book is a much better fit this edition due to the diversity of the units and CT. There is also some argument to be made that they are still a loyalist legion.

Yeah, chaos space marines are so bad it hurts. Every time I try to use them it depresses me.

Not a loyalist faction exactly, but I know what you mean. They haven't exactly devoted themselves heart and soul to Chaos like the other traitor legions.

I also think that the C:SM is a much better fit. But probably the best fit of all is the Horus Heresy Legion list.

MOAR GKSSSS :p great batrep as always

Reecius wrote:Yeah, chaos space marines are so bad it hurts. Every time I try to use them it depresses me.

I would not say bad per se and it is much much better with the supplement allowing you to roll off for their special missions and giving the last memory to a DS sorecere (not to mention mo'Oblits). It is just very limited in play styles as compared to C:SM and doesn't really fit the alpha legion doctrine well...it fits MTO pretty well, especially with CD allies.

So Reece, when will you be play testing the new knights models? I imagine after actual rules are released. The white dwarf thing is a bit, er, incomplete

LeadLegion wrote:Not a loyalist faction exactly, but I know what you mean. They haven't exactly devoted themselves heart and soul to Chaos like the other traitor legions.

I also think that the C:SM is a much better fit. But probably the best fit of all is the Horus Heresy Legion list.

The 30K lists are really awesome. I think they have done a great job of capturing the legions doctrines well in them.

C:SM is so flexible that it can capture most types of doctrines with a little thought. Great codex.

Yeah, I will likely play my Night Lords as Counts As White Scars or Raven Guard, but it annoys me as I have a huge Space marine army already.

regular Chaos Space Marines are pure garbage. The book has some decent stuff in it, Heldrakes, Sorcerers, Lords, Oblits, Spawn are all great, even Havocs are great, but wow, so much of that book is garbage it hurts my fluff loving soul!

Hey you can use Doomrider as Khan! Great batrep as usual Reece the GK force was a bit underwhelming as there were too many units for them to really deal with.

There aren't very many Chaos Space Marines in these Chaos Space Marine armies these days.

 Fire Angel wrote:
MOAR GKSSSS :p great batrep as always

Second

I have Doom Rider, too! lol

@Whitedragon

You said it, with their weak morale they are pure garbage, unfortunately. Classic result for mine: have to take terrible challenge, lost, get run down. Wow.

@WrentheFaceless

We have more coming!

It's nice to see you play CSM Reece! It's good to give them some exercise so they don't have to sit in the closet all the time.

Yeah, they are really nicely painted but I cry on the inside every time I use them, lol!

Oh quit your crying you're a good enough player to do well with them. Even in the top8 at the LVO there were a few CSM Primary armies. Granted they each had allies but still...

 y0disisray wrote:
Oh quit your crying you're a good enough player to do well with them. Even in the top8 at the LVO there were a few CSM Primary armies. Granted they each had allies but still...

They also had no actual chaos space marines outside of obliterators, obliterators and lords.

Without ATSKNF or stubborn, you can't even use those idiots as tar pits. They always need a baby sitter so they don't run away. Paying that premium makes them expensive and ruins the whole "you can run a whole bunch of them as they're cheap" reason for taking them.

CSM are there to act as ablative wounds for the ICs aren't they? I am pretty sure you are legally obligated to only take them if you plan to use them to catch bullets for some nasty IC.

It's an evil minion thing.

"Granted they each had allies but still..."

So did six other armies in the top eight. I fail to see your point... Don't bring a knife to a gun fight.

Lol Reece I know the feels.

 y0disisray wrote:
Oh quit your crying you're a good enough player to do well with them. Even in the top8 at the LVO there were a few CSM Primary armies. Granted they each had allies but still...

There was one primary CSM Army. One.

I would also love to hear his batreps because it was a very unoptimized list that looked pretty bad to me. I really would like to see how it played.

CSM are there to act as ablative wounds for the ICs aren't they? I am pretty sure you are legally obligated to only take them if you plan to use them to catch bullets for some nasty IC.

It's an evil minion thing.

Unfortunately cultists do that way better. Even though it is pretty demoralizing for a Hell-dwelling servant of Dark Gods to be reduced to an ablative wound.

Yeah, CSMs are god awful. Lacking ledership boosts, a high points cost, and the inane rule forcing you to challenge creates a perfect storm of garbage.


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@Noah

Lol, thanks but even this turn can't be polished!

I think the only thing you can do is to take them in 10 man units with 2 Plasma, maybe, and use them as a shooting unit. The problem is they can't hold or take an objective due to their stupid rules. They are seriously worthless. I'd rather have grots. It's why everyone takes Cultsits and not CSMs.

I used to run ten man squads with double plasma. I've experimented a bit with using the BL sourcebook and running five man twin plasma chosen units in Rhino's, just to keep some power armour is my lists.

Results have been mixed.

My CSM are now pretty much shelved until 7th. I've even re-purposed a number of the miniatures to the extent that I would now struggle to put 1500 points on the table.

Edit: I'm even contemplating ripping the torso's and spikes off my dozen or so remaining Bikers and turning them back into Space Marine Bikers. A bad sign, given that my Biker and Twin Jugger-Lord list was one of my most successful C:SM builds.

Yeah, I feel you. I had a FW Khorn army, fully painted, and I sold it I was so pissed at the CSM book.

 Reecius wrote:
Yeah, I feel you. I had a FW Khorn army, fully painted, and I sold it I was so pissed at the CSM book.

I'm in the same boat as you except I can never sell my Khorne! But seriously, the Chaos Space Marine codex isn't really all that much fun if you want to run Chaos Space Marines. That isn't to say that there aren't good units in there, as Drakes, Spawn, and Cultists and such are good, but most decent lists are very light on actual "Chaos Marines" which is where the fun is for me.

I have recently warmed to running Be'Lakor to drop invisibility on a landraider with kharn + 9 CSM. The CSM are the cheapest option to load up with him and they do their job of challenge monkey and ablative wound pretty well. Cultists don't fit in the landraider with an IC and are actually much worse at the job when they cannot be taken in 20+ units.

I have also been considering the same unit in the context of the new imperial knights and the math and mobility looks pretty favorable. Even against 2 imperial knights this unit has a decent chance to kill both assuming the battle cannon loadout and that you have some support to keep the knights from just sitting back all game. (which you should as this unit costs approximately 1 knight)

Plague marines are also very good. So they are Chaos...Space Marines. Noise marines can also be made to be fairly good. Termicide units are also pretty good too. Made even better by the last memory sorcerer dropping with them.

I can understand the disappointment with zerkers as they tend to just be worse than most of the other cult CSM. They also always lacked in flexibility as they are only good at melee and they lack deployment and mobility options. Though depending on your interpretation of the void shield generator rules a foot horde + huron infiltrating them to mid board here the void shield generators will have their bubble. This could be made significantly more threatening with the addition of a dog pile or Karanak + blood crushers (I will use my blood crushers if it kills me).

 Dozer Blades wrote:
"Granted they each had allies but still..."

So did six other armies in the top eight. I fail to see your point... Don't bring a knife to a gun fight.

My point being that CSM are decent and can do well in the tournament scene. They dont NEED allies as they have a lot of good tools that can deal with numerous things.