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So, once again I am confused about some of the wording in the Flames of war army lists. They list panzergrenadiers as having mg's, and I'm just guessing here that they mean the stg-44 etc. But the models they sell all have rifles, and a single Mg in the team. Is that right for panzergrenadiers, and if so would that mean that the infantry from open fire could be used as gepanzerte panzergrenadiers if I bought enough halftracks?


Sorry if this is a stupid question, I'm new, tired, and easy to confuse!

Once again, thanks to any that help, LazzurusMan

Machinegun teams do not have STG 44s, those are for assault rifle teams. Machinegun teams typically have 2 or 3 riflemen plus a machinegun on the base. The guys in the Open Fire set are for regular Grenadiers, not Panzergrenadiers. Regular Grenadiers are Rifle/Machinegun teams, which means that in a platoon (not counting the command team) every OTHER base will have a machinegun.

Further clarification if you need it: a Panzergrenadier platoon will usually have a command team and 6 MG teams, where all 6 will have a machinegun on the base. A Grenadier platoon will also have a command team and 6 Rifle/MG teams, 3 of which will have machineguns on them and the other 3 bases will have purely riflemen. Hope that helps.

Right, thanks very much. Looks I'll be spending even more cash!

 LazzurusMan wrote:
So, once again I am confused about some of the wording in the Flames of war army lists. They list panzergrenadiers as having mg's, and I'm just guessing here that they mean the stg-44 etc. But the models they sell all have rifles, and a single Mg in the team. Is that right for panzergrenadiers, and if so would that mean that the infantry from open fire could be used as gepanzerte panzergrenadiers if I bought enough halftracks?


Sorry if this is a stupid question, I'm new, tired, and easy to confuse!

Once again, thanks to any that help, LazzurusMan

The term MG team in FoW means that the squad/section has an extra squad automatic weapon, therefore boosting the firepower of the team. In modeling terms, it's just a squad automatic weapon per team, instead of 1 per squad (every other team).
The Sturmgewehr-44 is considered a SMG in FoW with a better range than say MP's or PPsH's.

Rifle-MG/MG teams will have a mixture of rifles and machine guns(as in MG42s/34s, not STG44s or MP40s)

The STG44 and MP40 were an assault rifle and SMG respectively, and they are used for SMG teams.

Most german command teams will be SMG teams, usually with the option to upgrade to Panzerfaust/SMG or Panzerknacker/SMG teams.

As for what you actually put on the base, you probably won't have enough MGs for each base. Its an abstraction. The inclusion of 1 MG for every 3 bases basically gives them all an aggregate increase in firepower.

Not to be confused with an LMG or HMG base, which only has the weapon in question.

 LazzurusMan wrote:
Right, thanks very much. Looks I'll be spending even more cash!

You really don't need to buy more MG miniatures if you have Grenadiers. I don't know anyone who wouldn't let you use Grenadier infantry bases with halftracks as Panzergrenadiers. To be honest, most people won't even notice if only every other team has an MG instead of every team. It's just an abstraction and as long as you and your opponent are clear on what's what, it's not a big deal.

I'll second what Hordini said. Most people just build an "infantry stand" with 4 guys on it and run it as Rifle, Rifle/MG or MG teams as their list dictates. People don't get picky about what small arms your 15mm figure is carrying from across the table. It matters more with man-packed guns like Mortar and HMG teams, though.

Yeah as long as you're not mixing platoon weapons load outs having all your infantry bases as 'rifle' 'rifle/MG' or 'MG' is fine.

My poor Volksgrenadier army is different in the combat platoons you have 'rifle/MG' 'MG' and assault rifle teams!

So they way understand it, say you have a grenadier company with every second team having an mg, (like the ones from open fire) all the teams count, minus the command team, as rifle/mg teams and all the teams, minus the command team, have a rof of 2 ?

Correct: what's important are the line stats, not so much the individual models on the base.

Whether or not a Rifle/MG stand has an actual guy carrying an MG modeled on it, it still counts as a Rifle/MG team. You don't usually get enough MG guys to have one on every base, and I think historically the ratio would have been more like 1-to-10 rather than 1-to-5 or 4 anyway.

Interestingly, ASL takes this into account as well, where the stats for a squad often include a LMG or MMG as an integral part of the squad. The extra Support Weapon marker represents additional firepower on top of what's already present.

The MG team stat just refers to the fact that every stand has a 2 guys carrying a MG as opposed to a rifles/mg teams where it would be every other stand.

Most people really aren’t that bothered about what is actually on the stand as long as you say so at the start and have paid the right points. I’ve used Late War Grenadier stands as Normal footsloggers, PanzerGrendiers and SS but no one has ever questioned this.