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ced1106 wrote:
Dang. Romeo sounds like Kevin's same-alignment twin brother.

If someone acts non-professionally towards their potential backes and customers, you gotta wonder how well they work with their employees, suppliers, distributors, and retailers.

Do you really want to tumble down the rabbit hole?

http://rumorsontheinternets.org/tag/romeo-filip/
http://data-sphere.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=70&p=747
http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2013/03/07/meat-meta-bad-battlefoam-practices/
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/526744.page

The time frame alone makes it rather clear that none of these were an "accident". He's socially slowed, simple as that.

It is probably a good thing that he wasnt the guy doing stuff for Beasts of War WWX week. Sean was the guy doing that right? Why don't they have him doing the comments? He seems more reasonable and probably would be more positive.

I feel like WWX could be summed up with- Great game, great rules, epic models, owner is unstable/just really rude.

Wait, this is the same guy who ran 40k radio? I remember him spending a whole episode of that show talking gak about some guy he had a beef with to try and prove something. He made sure I'll never buy any Battlefoam products, and made me stop listening to the podcast.

ClockworkChaos wrote:
I feel like WWX could be summed up with- Great game, great rules, epic models, owner is unstable/just really rude.

I might sig that.

As much as I like the game and would like it to succeed. I have completely dropped all interest at the minute. Dropped oyt the KS as it just isnt interesting enough, sold off all my models I had as no one is around to play. Even this KS hasnt generated all that much interest here. To be fair also as the game is completely unavailable anywhere over here (no I dont include wayland) its such a wasted oppertunity.

Maybe when Outlaw get some proper distribution sorted and stop taking the **** out of people that try and get the game out and known about and actually help retailers instead of doing nothing. Maybe then assuming more places actually stock it will it be worth while picking up as hopefully by then the game might actually be played

I really think even people critical of Romeo, but supportive of the game itself, should pledge for the current KS. Add $1, make your voice heard. For a mere single dollar, you can actually raise issues you feel are worth being raised, you can follow the updates after the KS ends, and you even help others getting a free model by raising the number of backers.

I think it's a very low price for all of that.

 Darnok wrote:

ClockworkChaos wrote:
I feel like WWX could be summed up with- Great game, great rules, epic models, owner is unstable/just really rude.

I might sig that.

Go ahead, if you want it, it is yours.

I am still supporting this KS myself (I have a fair amount in it) cause I really do like the game ect and I would like to bring this to my area. That being said I would also really like it if Romeo shaped up, worked with distributors and stopped being so aggressive to others. That can only help the game. I mean the game is being somewhat successful IN-SPITE of him not BECAUSE of him. I wish he would learn that.

Now I just hope for the few final days we can reach 200,000 or at least 160,000 for the heavies. Could really go for those...

ClockworkChaos wrote:
I am still supporting this KS myself (I have a fair amount in it) cause I really do like the game ect and I would like to bring this to my area. That being said I would also really like it if Romeo shaped up, worked with distributors and stopped being so aggressive to others. That can only help the game. I mean the game is being somewhat successful IN-SPITE of him not BECAUSE of him. I wish he would learn that.

I've yet to find a creator whose behavior improved after KS funding. The Doom that Came to Atlantic City is a pretty good example.

Four days to go, half the number of backers and 1/3 the money of the previous pledge. Should be an interesting four days...!

Hey guys, single Faction bundles were added to the Kickstarter if you are looking to get in with just models and no books, templates, etc.
Just pledge at the Add-On only level and toss a Single Faction Bundle in there:



Hope that helps some of you out.

We have a lot of big stuff planned for the game over the upcoming years. We have a unique League/Tournament system that is unlike many others out there, a game system that is filled with lots of cinematic effect and amazing models.
If you aren't looking for anything in the Kickstarter factions there is plenty to be found in our web store as well at: http://wildwestexodus.com/

Ok it looks like paranoia or some need for justification is setting in:

Outlaw Miniatures, LLC about 9 hours ago
Hey guys, let me report something we have noticed on our end. Since we can see information you all can not it's about time we spread the word about what some people seem to think is funny.
The same 10 or so backers from two parts of the country continue to put pledges into the kickstarter early in the day and then pull them out at night. Some keep them in for 24 hours but then pull them the next day just before Kicktraqs ends their daily numbers.
This continues to show our ks as losing money because the numbers go up and come down just below the original amount. What this is doing is leading other backers to follow along thinking others are also pulling pledges.
I have emailed ks about this since it is obviously being done to hurt our campaign. I would give up each and every one of these backers by name but this is exactly what they want.
So at this point we know for a fact people are directly trying to hurt our campaign. Can't imagine how pathetic people have to be to do this but I guess in gaming you can't put anything past people.
For the guys actually looking forward to this doing well keep strong. For the ones pulling this crap please find different campaigns to troll. Your game is getting old.

If people are artificially add/dropping pledges this has a net 0 result on Kicktraq. If people are adding these in the morning and then dropping them at night, it seems more likely these are project supporters who are trying to inflate the numbers in the morning and get momentum going for the day to unlock the next stretch goal.

Or it could just be aliens.

The main reason the project is stalling is simple supply/demand. There are a good 1/2 dozen high-profile KS projects going on right now in tabletop all competing for the same chunk of this months disposable income. WWX is on the lower-end of notoriety of those projects. Deadzone is another example. It is a very high-profile project, more so than WWX, and it's creeping very slowly. Mantic, being Mantic, will probably throw in a bunch more freebies to try to compete with projects like Myth or TGG, and it will start to pick up momentum again. At this point the best way to get momentum going is to become a better value than those other projects to try and pull backers over.

Does the 'single faction' option get you all the bonuses from this campaign too?

The 2 x hired hands and the sidekicks and whatnots?

 Alpharius wrote:
Does the 'single faction' option get you all the bonuses from this campaign too?

The 2 x hired hands and the sidekicks and whatnots?

Alpha, it does. Full Stretch goals for the Faction Bundle, as pictured in the graphics on the Kickstarter

 Outlaw_Sean wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Does the 'single faction' option get you all the bonuses from this campaign too?

The 2 x hired hands and the sidekicks and whatnots?

Alpha, it does. Full Stretch goals for the Faction Bundle, as pictured in the graphics on the Kickstarter

Looks like you get the full 26 figures in each faction but not the two free figures and cards.

From Outlaw in the comments:

" Creator Outlaw Miniatures, LLC about 15 hours ago

Single Faction Bundle has been added to the Add-Ons for $70. This Bundle comes with the same 26 models as all other Faction Bundles. It does not come with any additional Add-Ons.
Enjoy guys & gals!"

Tim

That's what I was worried about!

To be honest, it is a short jump from a single faction to a 2x faction, but I'm struggling to stay motivated enough to stay in here.

The $70 bundle is nice for folks strictly interested in a single Faction Bundle, or those willing to upgrade from two factions to three, without going to all four.

It's good to have the option, but the saving (while there) is really minimal.

 Darnok wrote:
The $70 bundle is nice for folks strictly interested in a single Faction Bundle, or those willing to upgrade from two factions to three, without going to all four.

It's good to have the option, but the saving (while there) is really minimal.

The Hired Hands are $25 per box of 10 ($2.50 a fig), so you get the 6 additional figs for $20 ($3.67 per fig).
Gambler is $2.23 per fig for all 56 figs in the pledge.

T

timd wrote:

 Darnok wrote:
The $70 bundle is nice for folks strictly interested in a single Faction Bundle, or those willing to upgrade from two factions to three, without going to all four.

It's good to have the option, but the saving (while there) is really minimal.

The Hired Hands are $25 per box of 10 ($2.50 a fig), so you get the 6 additional figs for $20 ($3.67 per fig).
Gambler is $2.23 per fig for all 56 figs in the pledge.

T

All true. But you can't replicate the Faction Bundle in the KS any other way. And it still is a big saving over the retail price later.

I'm not saying it's the best thing since sliced bread, but that $70 add-on has its place.

 Darnok wrote:

Motograter wrote:
While the game is good, the company and owner are questionable and they do nothing to support the game outside the usa. Currently only wayland have it and we all know how awful they are. Dark Sphere are starting to stock it but once their initial order dries up there is no guarantee outlaw will help them. A lot of European shops that stocked it gave up on it as there is no help from outlaw in any way, shape or form. Good luck getting stock if youre not in the US

This, so very much. Which is a real shame.

Having the same problem myself. BoW had some vids on this and it seemed interesting, but then so do so many other games and at the time I didn't pay it much notice.
Some time later I saw the LOTWII pics on facebook a few times, and found out they had a new KS. Very little interested me in the KS, but I figured I might grab a couple of things, stuff that may be exclusive as I do intend to get into WWX. However with the KS in reverse since the moment I joined I started to get the impression I wouldn't be able to get the things I wanted in the first place, and it's been stuck where it is ever since, doesn't help when what I wanted costs $99 for 10 (or would if it unlocked) and meanwhile the Raging Heroes KS is throwing out $15 works of art. Damn the RH KS makes me wish I hadn't dropped out of GW 2 years ago, their stuff would make for killer Dark Elves and so forth, then there is Mantics way of doing it, sweet stuff cheap, although again it doesn't appeal to me, but here I feel like I am chasing the rainbow.

Never mind, I'll just grab the 2 player starter and hang on in with the KS in the hope it moves up in the last days.
Well, "I'll grab" sod all, it seems it's damn near impossible to find in the UK, Dark Sphere have it advertised, but by the time I pay their shipping costs I might aswell buy it from the USA, Wayland advertise it, they even have it on sale, but it's not in stock, and they have dropped most of their shipping options, so while cheaper than DS, their shipping eats up savings, I ordered Firestorm Armada from them, spent about £6.50 on shipping, kinda defeats the point of the sale, especially as "next day shipping" on something that won't ship for a month sucks ass

Ordering direct from the USA? Customs and conversion fees and so forth just ruin that idea.

I can't help but feel the KS came 2 years too soon, the game doesn't seem to be known of outside of the USA, hell, I can't even find it on Amazon.

With the KS stalled out and no way of getting what I joined the KS for in the first place, and the game seemingly impossible to order from within the UK it's kinda depressing. Bit hard to get into, especially when there are so many games that are easier to get hold of.

I hope the KS sees a last minute boom, and hope more goals are unlocked, but I daren't risk staying in it myself.

timd wrote:

 Outlaw_Sean wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Does the 'single faction' option get you all the bonuses from this campaign too?

The 2 x hired hands and the sidekicks and whatnots?

Alpha, it does. Full Stretch goals for the Faction Bundle, as pictured in the graphics on the Kickstarter

Looks like you get the full 26 figures in each faction but not the two free figures and cards.

From Outlaw in the comments:

" Creator Outlaw Miniatures, LLC about 15 hours ago

Single Faction Bundle has been added to the Add-Ons for $70. This Bundle comes with the same 26 models as all other Faction Bundles. It does not come with any additional Add-Ons.
Enjoy guys & gals!"

Tim

Let me see if I have this right, after you pay the $15 base pledge and add in the $70 bundle, you're paying $85 but getting less than the current $85 pledge.....

I think it is intended to allow you to add an additional faction ontop of what you already ordered, on it's own of course it isn't a great deal, but if you already had a faction pledge in, then it saves you a little on picking a second faction.

Seems about right, Jerram; don't forget to add for shipping! What a deal... *eyeroll*

Yeah, some...odd decisions were made this time around.

I'm surprised it is trailing so far behind their first Kickstarter though.

I hope this doesn't mean this game has lost momentum overall.

But with their current distribution practices, that may be exactly what's going on here.

 Alpharius wrote:
Yeah, some...odd decisions were made this time around.

I'm surprised it is trailing so far behind their first Kickstarter though.

I hope this doesn't mean this game has lost momentum overall.

But with their current distribution practices, that may be exactly what's going on here.

I think the problem is that the perceived value is not nearly as good as the first KS, regardless of whether the actual value is better or worse than the first KS.

At least the $135K "wall" for the last two weeks appears to have been broken.

T

My excitement levels are rising again. Just unlocked a bunch more sidekicks! Also some momentum is always nice. That was a painful stall. Now if only they would release some stat cards for the units...

 Alpharius wrote:
Yeah, some...odd decisions were made this time around.

I'm surprised it is trailing so far behind their first Kickstarter though.

I hope this doesn't mean this game has lost momentum overall.

But with their current distribution practices, that may be exactly what's going on here.

Well, for a start: it's not a new game anymore, but an expansion. So new players have the choice to just get their fix now, instead of waiting a year; and existing players already have a collection, making it a decision of "do I really want to invest so much money now?".

Then the four new faction are quite "marmite-ish" from what I read (and think myself). With the first KS, I liked all four factions (plus Lawmen in the end). With this one? Well... not so much. Every single one of the four new faction is representing a niche in an already niche setting, each appealing for a quite specific taste. The appeal to the "general public" is just not as strong.

On top of that, there are much less extras this time around. The first KS had dice, patches, comics, bags, terrain from the very beginning. Those alone will have made up for a good portion of the pledge total. This time? Yeah... not so much, again.


I think it is less about the game itself going strong or weak. This KS just offers some more "special" things - appealing to less people - while offering less total product.


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ClockworkChaos wrote:
Now if only they would release some stat cards for the units...

By Outlaws words this is not going to happen for all of the units. "Not yet playtested" and stuff. Why they start a KS when the models aren't even a bit playtested yet, is beyond me. Just one of the odder things with this company.

How anyone can see comments like these... Well, they don't inspire trust.

As said in the comments:

@Outlaw: So you choose to flip out again without the need to? ... but what's new.

If you had planned it better, you'd playtested these models BEFORE the KS started. Not that difficult to understand really. You chose to do it differently, fair enough. Just don't cry fould if people call you out on it being a weird choice.

I have a question @Outlaw_Sean though. From what I know, you are the "community representative", and since you're active on here, I'll just ask directly: why in the nine hells did my WWX forum account get deleted? I got no warning, no explaination, and wasn't banned either - I was flat-out deleted. In every other community I know you get a warning: if you ignore it (sometimes twice or more), you get banned. This usually results in your posts remaining visible (excepting whatever got you banned in the end).

I got none of this. I didn't post anything offensive either (despite somebody in the KS claiming otherwise). I'd really appreciate if you could shed any light on this.

Wow, was on the fence with this one, but that's some seriously unpleasant and just plain dumb stuff to say-- 100% agree re: not inspiring trust.

From experience on both sides (as consumer and seller), when you're putting yourself and your work out there publicly, lots of people are going to say things you feel are stupid, uninformed, and/or occasionally mean. As the face of your product, you've gotta keep smiling, not explode at someone who's pushing your buttons.

Is this one still stalling? Less than 48 hours to go, very little growth, and Outlaw seems nowhere to be seen. It looks like a stretch goal update was due almost a day ago?

carboncopy wrote:
Is this one still stalling? Less than 48 hours to go, very little growth, and Outlaw seems nowhere to be seen. It looks like a stretch goal update was due almost a day ago?

I'd call them out on it being a bad idea to plan a KS ending right after a weekend with very little input from their side - but I guess I'd get some more of that "negativity" crap thrown at me.

Just my opinion though: the planning on this KS was not that good. First the absolutely ridiculous stretchgoals, then their complete disappearance for almost a week because of attending two Cons, now the ending with a period of almost no updates, and going quiet just when the 48h-reminders got sent out. Some of that was due to too high expectations on their side I guess, but some other things were just poorly planned.

It's good to see that despite all this the KS is still going relatively strong. Funded more than twice over, and all stretchgoals needed for "full factions" (i.e.: HH, bosses, a selection of underbosses and sidekicks, LS and HS) achieved or almost achieved. That's a good success. They could have done much better in my opinion, but what we got so far isn't shabby either.