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In the age of 5th edition with the inherent strength of vehicles, a Chimera that costs 55 points might be considered to be a bargain. The cheapness of this unit, its versatility (amphibious, 5 fire points, turret and hull mounted weapon, 12 person carriage), and front armor of 12 all combined to make many games in 5th a parking lot.

To be fair there were offsets, the side and rear armor being 10, not being able to assault from it, and all physical attacks against it going on rear armor were weaknesses. All in all though, most agreed that it was a fairly priced if not under-cost piece of equipment. Debates will never answer the question as to what the correct cost should have been but the consensus seems to be in the land of 60, a general 5 point increase.

In 6th edition vehicles have become much more fragile, especially those with such week armor value where almost every weapon in the game can remove a hull point. Some would say that now the Chimera is far weaker and as such is slightly over cost, with a suggested points reduction to around 50 points.

With this in mind, please think about the following questions and provide specific examples for your reasoning:

1. In the 6th Edition Imperial Guard Codex the Chimera is too powerful for its cost and should be increased to 60 points or more.

2. In the 6th Edition Imperial Guard Codex the Chimera is just right for its cost and should stay at 55.

3. In the 6th Edition Imperial Guard Codex the Chimera is too weak for its cost and should be decreased to 50 points or less.

Please discuss.

 Bodichi wrote:
In the age of 5th edition with the inherent strength of vehicles, a Chimera that costs 55 points might be considered to be a bargain. The cheapness of this unit, its versatility (amphibious, 5 fire points, turret and hull mounted weapon, 12 person carriage), and front armor of 12 all combined to make many games in 5th a parking lot.

To be fair there were offsets, the side and rear armor being 10, not being able to assault from it, and all physical attacks against it going on rear armor were weaknesses. All in all though, most agreed that it was a fairly priced if not under-cost piece of equipment. Debates will never answer the question as to what the correct cost should have been but the consensus seems to be in the land of 60, a general 5 point increase.

In 6th edition vehicles have become much more fragile, especially those with such week armor value where almost every weapon in the game can remove a hull point. Some would say that now the Chimera is far weaker and as such is slightly over cost, with a suggested points reduction to around 50 points.

With this in mind, please think about the following questions and provide specific examples for your reasoning:

1. In the 6th Edition Imperial Guard Codex the Chimera is too powerful for its cost and should be increased to 60 points or more.

2. In the 6th Edition Imperial Guard Codex the Chimera is just right for its cost and should stay at 55.

3. In the 6th Edition Imperial Guard Codex the Chimera is too weak for its cost and should be decreased to 50 points or less.

Please discuss.

SM razorbacks are AV11/11/10 and have a heavy bolter, cost 55. You're just slightly better than a razorback, with better capacity and better weapons (two of them, fire ports as well). Chimera are actually fairly priced if razorbacks are fairly priced.

As the ditty goes, 55 is a bit steep, but 40 was too cheap, 45 wouldn't have been much of a leap, but I don't think 50 would help me sleep.

I will personally let my opponent pay 35 points for a chimera if they pronounce it Kie-mer-ah, instead of chim-mer-ah

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SM razorbacks are AV11/11/10 and have a heavy bolter, cost 55. You're just slightly better than a razorback, with better capacity and better weapons (two of them, fire ports as well). Chimera are actually fairly priced if razorbacks are fairly priced.

As the ditty goes, 55 is a bit steep, but 40 was too cheap, 45 wouldn't have been much of a leap, but I don't think 50 would help me sleep.

I will personally let my opponent pay 35 points for a chimera if they pronounce it Kie-mer-ah, instead of chim-mer-ah

50 pts would make me feel better. The 10 side armor is annoying and the extra 5 points doesn't seem to fit with the current guard squad which is also a flat 50. To disembark and move forward effectively (to melta gun something or whatever you might be doing) you almost inevitably have to face the Chimera backward, exposing the rear armor and eliminating your chance to fire the hull HB - side hatches would be fantastic.

 Bodichi wrote:

Very good points. However, please note that the Razorback has a twin linked BS 4 weapon, not a single shot BS 3 weapon. Also the long portions of the razorbacks side armor are 11, not the cringe inducing 10.

Also the Razorback has a much greater choice of weapons than the Chimera as well as side exit doors. Since the Chimera is so fragile, those side exit doors do matter.

In sum, it seems you are saying current price is fine?

I thought the idea was that you had enough chimeras that you literally formed a wall of the things and your opponent couldn't hit side armour because they couldn't see side armour?

HAVE I BEEN LIED TO?

Now, you have 6 S5-6 shots on you. You should hit 3 S5-6 shots. This is better than a marine's 2.6667 S5AP4 shots, isn't it?

 Scipio Africanus wrote:

 Bodichi wrote:

Very good points. However, please note that the Razorback has a twin linked BS 4 weapon, not a single shot BS 3 weapon. Also the long portions of the razorbacks side armor are 11, not the cringe inducing 10.

Also the Razorback has a much greater choice of weapons than the Chimera as well as side exit doors. Since the Chimera is so fragile, those side exit doors do matter.

In sum, it seems you are saying current price is fine?

I thought the idea was that you had enough chimeras that you literally formed a wall of the things and your opponent couldn't hit side armour because they couldn't see side armour?

HAVE I BEEN LIED TO?

Now, you have 6 S5-6 shots on you. You should hit 3 S5-6 shots. This is better than a marine's 2.6667 S5AP4 shots, isn't it?

Not to be snide, but the points cost of a unit should not include a tactic that is sometimes used with that unit.

Also you are no longer comparing apples to apples with your shot comparison. If the Chimera moves the BS goes down drastically on the second weapon. Please factor that into the calculation.

Depends if you include the Autocannon Chimera option from Forge World, really...