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I've just read a short story "The Infinite Tableau" by Anthony Reynolds, here's an excerpt:

They stood at the epicentre of the battle, beneath a sky that was burning, and it seemed as though time stood still. The black-armoured paragon of humanity brought a golden-winged power sword around in a crackling two-handed killing strike. His pale face was twisted in hatred, and his eyes were tinged red with blood-rage. Despite the thickness of his enemy’s bull-like neck, the blow was perfectly timed, delivered with all his genhanced and armour-augmented strength.

His opponent was a hulking green skinned monster that stood over two and half metres tall. It lived only for battle and knew – nay, cared for – nothing else. It roared as it swung its chugging chain-glaive around in a brutal arc, a blow that could carve the Space Marine clean in two.

Either blow would be mortal if it landed. Both would land within a single heartbeat.

But that heartbeat would never come.

Trazyn the Infinite stepped between the two frozen combatants, inspecting his latest acquisition. He peered into the Space Marine’s eyes. Life blazed there, along with a frenzied, insane fury. He knew that the enhanced human creature could see him. He knew that its conscious mind still remained, trapped forever within the prison of its own body. If it were not so, then his display would be lacking.

Satisfied, he shuffled across the battlefield, past hundreds more frozen statues, each carefully positioned as per his grand design. Some were firing weapons or swinging blades. Others were dying, trapped forever in the moment of their deaths. It was glorious.

The holographic burning sky and the red-sanded earth flickered as he reached the edge of the display. Once again he stood upon the gleaming obsidian deck of his infinite gallery.

Trazyn strode away, his staff clicking sharply with each step. He walked his halls, past countless other displays with primitive creatures of every description, breed and race; all arrayed and carefully posed; all living, trapped until the end of time. He passed beings that had died out half a million years earlier – some whose loss was mourned by the galaxy at large, and others that had simply disappeared without note.

There were hundreds of displays on this deck alone, many of them far grander than his latest, humble effort. Thousands more decks lay above and below.

Trazyn gave them no more thought. His mind was already moving on to his next project.

He rubbed his metal hands in glee. It would be a masterpiece.

So basically, there is a Necron Lord who has nothing better to do with his "life" than to amuse himself by collecting living statues, obviously many primarchs among them.
That's hardcore tragedy right there.

So, mayhaps I'm crazy, but you'd expect their to be more "heros" in the Imperium that would be mourned for their loss than just the Primarchs. The excerpt doesn't say "Primarch" just "beings that died half a million years earlier - some whose loss was mourned by the galaxy at large."

Half a million years earlier is WAY before the human race even existed, let alone the Imperium.

Sounds like he's got some Old Ones frozen if they're that old. Or they're Dinosaurs, because that was a tragedy that I'm sure the entire galaxy mourned.

Nice to see they took this from Riddik anima movie

 Orblivion wrote:
Half a million years earlier is WAY before the human race even existed, let alone the Imperium.

Isn't that an independent clause?

Anyway, do you know that instance when the Ravens' Primarch disappeared in a searing of light during the Horus Heresy?
If the activity of this Necron Lord was a regular thing surely he would observe one of the biggest battles in the galaxy and what better prize than Primarchs?

Last I checked, the only real things of note that he owns of Imperial vaue are the disembodied head of Sebastian Thor, and Brother Cassiel of the Blood Angels, a giant of a man in baroque power armor, seconded to the deathwatch, his face trapped in a moment of fear.

Cyten wrote:

 Orblivion wrote:
Half a million years earlier is WAY before the human race even existed, let alone the Imperium.

Isn't that an independent clause?

Anyway, do you know that instance when the Ravens' Primarch disappeared in a searing of light during the Horus Heresy?
If the activity of this Necron Lord was a regular thing surely he would observe one of the biggest battles in the galaxy and what better prize than Primarchs?

As far as the Heresy has shown so far Corax survied to the end. What instance do you mean and what source is that from out of curiousity?

**Pure almost baseless speculation ahead**

Well to me it's unlikely that Trayzn could have gotten his hands on any of the Primarchs just given the circumstances surrounding them. I mean of the 9 Loyalists we have:

Ferrus - Dead on Istvaan V. It's pretty unlikely that Trayzn got in there, and replaced Ferrus with a life sized facsimile that could fool both Fulgrim and Horus.

Sanguinius - Same as above really. Good luck breaking into the Vengeful Spirit over Terra while the Horus Heresy reaches it's climax.

Guilliman - This one might be possible, I mean I'm sure the UM are guarding that place like nothing else but if he quietly infiltrated the place over centuries/millenia and did get in he could replace the casket or the body and make off. If he got some of the details wrong it might explain why they are claiming he is healing

Dorn - Again this was during a Black Crusade on a Chaos Battleship when both sides would be on the look out for any weird space ships which might join the fight. The most likely of the ones which died in battle however as a brother Primarch wasn't involved and we have no specifics on his death. Wouldn't be beyond the realm of possibility for Trayzn to mind shackle the crew of a battleship and make it an inviting target for Dorn but it'd be one hell of a complicated plan.

Vulkan - We don't know eventually what happened to Vulkan, so maybe. I think Unremembered Empire addresses something of Vulkan's fate but he may make more appearances later. But given that little to no one seems to know what happened with him in the 40th Millennium if Trayzn did something with him, it'd probably have been during the Heresy.

The Lion - In the Rock. Certainly harder than even Macragge as the Rock is constantly moving and it might only be the Watchers in the Dark that are aware of his location.

Jaghatai Khan - Supposed to have ended up being held by the Dark Eldar in Commoragh inside the Webway. As masters of their webway and ancient enemies of the Necrons as well, it'd probably be more difficult than Macragge so I'd also say pretty unlikely.

Corax and Russ - Both are said to have left their Chapters with a cryptic message and headed off into the galaxy or to the Eye of Terror. Probably the best candidates for a kidnapping by Trazyn if he could find them but that'd be pretty difficult if he wasn't already tracking them before they left their Chapters.

Of the Traitors, it's pretty safe to say half the galaxy wasn't going to mourn their loss

I'd say it's unlikely that he has a Primarch trapped as a hard light construct just given what we do know of their final fate. Plus we pretty much know nothing of the historical figures between M3 and M32. I mean the guy who developed the Plasma Reactor or Gellar field might have been mourned in their passing.

According to Codex: Necrons, most of the Necron Tomb Worlds are awakening in the 41st millenium, with malfunctions occurring that results in very few of the Tomb Worlds waking up in before the 41st millennium. However the very first awoke during the Great Crusade. Therefore it could be safe to say they would have been eliminated pretty easily, none halted the forces of the Great Crusade (as much as it ires me to say it). Nowhere does it say that Trazyn was active in this time. After all Imotekh rose to power in the latter half of the 41st millenium and the first record of Trazyn is in the wake of Hive Fleet Behemoth - the Inquisitor Valeria incident. (p24). However saying that, the codex does mention that a full one tenth of the diorama for Lord Solar Mechanicus' Death can be traced back to 300 years after the Solar Lord's death. I'm unfamiliar with the fluff but I'm pretty sure that's close to the end of the Horus Heresy (after it, that is). But I still don't think he managed to get a Primarch.

Even then I don't think he could have 'snuck' into Macragge, as he couldn't 'sneak' intoMandragora to steal Imotekh's staff. He has been forbidden to return, under pain of death

 rednecroncryptek wrote:
According to Codex: Necrons, most of the Necron Tomb Worlds are awakening in the 41st millenium, with malfunctions occurring that results in very few of the Tomb Worlds waking up in before the 41st millennium. However the very first awoke during the Great Crusade. Therefore it could be safe to say they would have been eliminated pretty easily, none halted the forces of the Great Crusade (as much as it ires me to say it). Nowhere does it say that Trazyn was active in this time. After all Imotekh rose to power in the latter half of the 41st millenium and the first record of Trazyn is in the wake of Hive Fleet Behemoth - the Inquisitor Valeria incident. (p24). However saying that, the codex does mention that a full one tenth of the diorama for Lord Solar Mechanicus' Death can be traced back to 300 years after the Solar Lord's death. I'm unfamiliar with the fluff but I'm pretty sure that's close to the end of the Horus Heresy (after it, that is). But I still don't think he managed to get a Primarch.

Even then I don't think he could have 'snuck' into Macragge, as he couldn't 'sneak' intoMandragora to steal Imotekh's staff. He has been forbidden to return, under pain of death

That's the thing, they don't expressly say when Trazyn got up and began collecting stuff. However if he is really that obsessed I like to think he got up pretty early what with all that history going on not being cataloged properly.
In fairness though Marcharius was born in 356 M41 and died 400 M41 so he would be in the right time frame for collecting if Trayzn didn't get up till M40~ but he was well after the HH.

The "giant of a man wearing baroque power armor" is Vulkan. This makes sense considering that the Salamanders and Trazyn personally have been having a large number of fights recently. Seems like either he's stalking them trying to get all the artifacts, or they've found out about Vulkan's fate.



Oh...also Guilliman is waking up

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v442/preacherofnothing/1393016880355_zps755c1a1f.jpg

 Mavlun wrote:
The "giant of a man wearing baroque power armor" is Vulkan.

Actually, that has been debunked. The "giant of a man wearing baroque power armor" has also been described as having a face frozen in fear. The Lexicanum lists that person as being Brother Cassiel of the Blood Angels. Unless there is writing that lists the specific detailing of other marines in his collection?

 Unyielding Hunger wrote:

 Mavlun wrote:
The "giant of a man wearing baroque power armor" is Vulkan.

Actually, that has been debunked. The "giant of a man wearing baroque power armor" has also been described as having a face frozen in fear. The Lexicanum lists that person as being Brother Cassiel of the Blood Angels. Unless there is writing that lists the specific detailing of other marines in his collection?

Does my image in my above post not show? I'll edit it so it's a link.

 Mavlun wrote:

 Unyielding Hunger wrote:

 Mavlun wrote:
The "giant of a man wearing baroque power armor" is Vulkan.

Actually, that has been debunked. The "giant of a man wearing baroque power armor" has also been described as having a face frozen in fear. The Lexicanum lists that person as being Brother Cassiel of the Blood Angels. Unless there is writing that lists the specific detailing of other marines in his collection?

Does my image in my above post not show? I'll edit it so it's a link.

Oh, it shows perfectly fine, but it is not relevant, since you posted 2 guys debating fluff. And the tone of the article very clearly states that this is their personal belief, and not fluff.

 rednecroncryptek wrote:
Nowhere does it say that Trazyn was active in this time.

Actually, in the fluff for The Battle of Traitor's Gate, Trazyn calls Guilliman an "old friend" so he likely has been around for quite some time.

 Unyielding Hunger wrote:

 Mavlun wrote:
The "giant of a man wearing baroque power armor" is Vulkan.

Actually, that has been debunked. The "giant of a man wearing baroque power armor" has also been described as having a face frozen in fear. The Lexicanum lists that person as being Brother Cassiel of the Blood Angels. Unless there is writing that lists the specific detailing of other marines in his collection?

It's really not been debunked, Lexicanum has just gotten itself in a mess.
Cassiel is described as having his frozen face "twisted in hatred, and his eyes were tinged red with blood-rage" rather than fear.

ba·roque (bə-rōk′)
adj.
1. also Baroque Of, relating to, or characteristic of a style in art and architecture developed in Europe from the early 17th to mid-18th century, emphasizing dramatic, often strained effect and typified by bold, curving forms, elaborate ornamentation, and overall balance of disparate parts.
2. also Baroque Music Of, relating to, or characteristic of a style of composition that flourished in Europe from about 1600 to 1750, marked by expressive dissonance and elaborate ornamentation.
3. Extravagant, complex, or bizarre, especially in ornamentation: "the baroque, encoded language of post-structural legal and literary theory" (Wendy Kaminer).
4. Irregular in shape: baroque pearls.


So a big dude in fancified armor. This could be anyone. Personally I hope it's Valdor, frozen in hell forever. However as I read the definition; it could be very blood angels-eque, with nipple studs and all.

Only one primarch by normal definition is "alive", and that's the Lion. He's healed, and good to go, someone just needs to press the button. You can argue Guilliman as "frozen before death" or healing, it sounds somewhat reasonable.

Vulgar wrote:
ba·roque (bə-rōk′)
adj.
1. also Baroque Of, relating to, or characteristic of a style in art and architecture developed in Europe from the early 17th to mid-18th century, emphasizing dramatic, often strained effect and typified by bold, curving forms, elaborate ornamentation, and overall balance of disparate parts.
2. also Baroque Music Of, relating to, or characteristic of a style of composition that flourished in Europe from about 1600 to 1750, marked by expressive dissonance and elaborate ornamentation.
3. Extravagant, complex, or bizarre, especially in ornamentation: "the baroque, encoded language of post-structural legal and literary theory" (Wendy Kaminer).
4. Irregular in shape: baroque pearls.


So a big dude in fancified armor. This could be anyone. Personally I hope it's Valdor, frozen in hell forever. However as I read the definition; it could be very blood angels-eque, with nipple studs and all.

Only one primarch by normal definition is "alive", and that's the Lion. He's healed, and good to go, someone just needs to press the button. You can argue Guilliman as "frozen before death" or healing, it sounds somewhat reasonable.

Well vulkan cant die so surely hes alive out there somewhere

Thatguyhsagun wrote:

Vulgar wrote:
ba·roque (bə-rōk′)
adj.
1. also Baroque Of, relating to, or characteristic of a style in art and architecture developed in Europe from the early 17th to mid-18th century, emphasizing dramatic, often strained effect and typified by bold, curving forms, elaborate ornamentation, and overall balance of disparate parts.
2. also Baroque Music Of, relating to, or characteristic of a style of composition that flourished in Europe from about 1600 to 1750, marked by expressive dissonance and elaborate ornamentation.
3. Extravagant, complex, or bizarre, especially in ornamentation: "the baroque, encoded language of post-structural legal and literary theory" (Wendy Kaminer).
4. Irregular in shape: baroque pearls.


So a big dude in fancified armor. This could be anyone. Personally I hope it's Valdor, frozen in hell forever. However as I read the definition; it could be very blood angels-eque, with nipple studs and all.

Only one primarch by normal definition is "alive", and that's the Lion. He's healed, and good to go, someone just needs to press the button. You can argue Guilliman as "frozen before death" or healing, it sounds somewhat reasonable.

Well vulkan cant die so surely hes alive out there somewhere

Yeah, out there in Trazyn's collection.

 Mavlun wrote:

Thatguyhsagun wrote:

Vulgar wrote:
ba·roque (bə-rōk′)
adj.
1. also Baroque Of, relating to, or characteristic of a style in art and architecture developed in Europe from the early 17th to mid-18th century, emphasizing dramatic, often strained effect and typified by bold, curving forms, elaborate ornamentation, and overall balance of disparate parts.
2. also Baroque Music Of, relating to, or characteristic of a style of composition that flourished in Europe from about 1600 to 1750, marked by expressive dissonance and elaborate ornamentation.
3. Extravagant, complex, or bizarre, especially in ornamentation: "the baroque, encoded language of post-structural legal and literary theory" (Wendy Kaminer).
4. Irregular in shape: baroque pearls.


So a big dude in fancified armor. This could be anyone. Personally I hope it's Valdor, frozen in hell forever. However as I read the definition; it could be very blood angels-eque, with nipple studs and all.

Only one primarch by normal definition is "alive", and that's the Lion. He's healed, and good to go, someone just needs to press the button. You can argue Guilliman as "frozen before death" or healing, it sounds somewhat reasonable.

Well vulkan cant die so surely hes alive out there somewhere

Yeah, out there in Trazyn's collection.

Well only 4 more artifacts till the sallies find him then.

 Mavlun wrote:
The "giant of a man wearing baroque power armor" is Vulkan. This makes sense considering that the Salamanders and Trazyn personally have been having a large number of fights recently. Seems like either he's stalking them trying to get all the artifacts, or they've found out about Vulkan's fate.



Oh...also Guilliman is waking up

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v442/preacherofnothing/1393016880355_zps755c1a1f.jpg

Thing is, this by no means means that Vulkan is in Trazyn's collection. For starters, this is White Dwarf members debating what they think is to be true. Heck, in the white dwarf company, you had two people debating about who it could be. Along with that, lexicanum mentions another man's name (although it is important to add lexicanum is an online wikipedia for 40k making it not the most reliable source).

 Mavlun wrote:
The "giant of a man wearing baroque power armor" is Vulkan. This makes sense considering that the Salamanders and Trazyn personally have been having a large number of fights recently. Seems like either he's stalking them trying to get all the artifacts, or they've found out about Vulkan's fate.



Oh...also Guilliman is waking up

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v442/preacherofnothing/1393016880355_zps755c1a1f.jpg

Sorry mate, but its just two WD guys debating fluff. Even from wording its on the same level as Dakka musing about future of Primarchs. No evidence here, just fan "what if" talking.

Vulkan in some Necron's trophy case? That has to be a very powerful dude. And I don't see it.

I figured the Giant Man in Baroque power armor was Tony Stark.

"Giant man" in this case just refers to his ego, of course.

 GuardRalph wrote:
Vulkan in some Necron's trophy case? That has to be a very powerful dude. And I don't see it.

I don't think he'd need to be all that powerful to have caught a Primarch. You're making the mistake of imagining there had to be some sort of 1 on 1 fight (which in reality Trazyn's MSS could win for him), when in truth he has such technology that a capture is just a capture. You can be the strongest, most powerful goldfish in the world. Still not going to get out of that fish bowl though.

Even if that's Vulkan, the more impressive display is the last high council of the Idharae Craftworld.

Yeah, while it helps to get them down to red health and put them to sleep or paralyze them, really all you have to do to capture anything is throw enough pokeballs at it.

Sorry, I mean Tesseract Labyrinths.

Trazyn must have used his Masterball, then kicked himself when all he had was Great balls for the Emperor (haha phrasing).

 SRSFACE wrote:
I figured the Giant Man in Baroque power armor was Tony Stark.

"Giant man" in this case just refers to his ego, of course.

Or just Tony in his Hulk Buster Armor.

Did a published author seriously use "genhanced" as a word? That's horrendous. Furthermore, in response to people saying they don't believe Trazyn could do it: he's a 5th Edition Necron. Literally anything is possible due to that racial "Living Plot" special rule they have now.

It's the Emperor in Trazyns collection

IA: Space Wolves
Time seemed to stop as the Emperor of Mankind threw away his cloak, the hood falling from his face, his true form revealed. Standing far taller than any man present. swathed in light and clad in baroque golden armour.