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Hi guys
My local game store will be having a 500 points tournament with the following restrictions
Im really really confuse on making this list,Basicly I cant use Farseer which is quite a minus in my opinion while playing this smallers games.

So the restrictions are:
No unit wound more than 3
No 2+ armor saves
No vehicle with the total sum of AV more than 34
No flyer
No Artifact
No reserve units (that means no drop pod too)
No Deep strikes
No Fortifications
No special character
Max Psyker mastery is level 2

FOC:
1 HQ
2 Troops
you can only take 1 from Elite, fast attack, Heavy support (pick only 1)
and you can ONLY take 1 HQ and 2 Troops at maximum

If you have the option to take flying monsterous creature, you can only have them in glide mode and not swooping

So here is 2 list that I made:

1st list
HQ
Spiritseer (70)

Troops
5x Dire Avengers (200)
with Wave serpent,Holofields,Scatter laser

5x Windrider jetbikes (85)

Heavy Support
1x Fire Prisms (140)
Holofields

2nd list:

HQ:
Spiritseer (70)

Troops
10 man guardian squad (110)
Scatter Laser heavy weapon platform

10 man guardian squad (110)
Scatter Laser heavy weapon platform

Heavy support

3 War Walker squadron (210)
3 Scatter laser,3 Bright Lance

To be honest,i dont really know what to field anymore.Comments and critics are always welcomed!

Well drop scatter lasers on war walkers for x6 bright lances, or drop the bright lances for x6 scatter lasers. Mixed roles=less efficient. The lists look quite good, although if you dont feel confident with those two you could always go for the good ol serpent spam. ataurch with fusion gun, x2 (x5) dire avengers, wave serpent tl sl sc hf

Definitely drop Brightlance, as the biggest AV you'll encounter is AV12, which means the Lance rule is utterly wasted and 24 S6 shots will do a good job at glancing out AV12.

Tbh, those restrictions are brutal. We have similar, but max wound is 3, no psyker lvl restriction and max AV is 33(so no AV12, except Chimera). And while Warwalkers are absolutely brutal at low point games, there are some hard counters to them among the things that ARE allowed. A Wave Serpent shooting will neuter the entire squad of Warwalkers in one go, for instance. So in this case, since Eldar vehicles are all AV 34 or below, I'd just take 1 Wave Serpent with 10 Guardians inside, 5 Rangers to camp objectives and either a Night Spinner with Shuriken Cannon or naked Fire Prism. Take advantage of that AV12, since it happens to be allowed.

What size board is it on (i'm guessing 4/3)?
I would say take,
Hq-spiritseer-70
Troops-Da x5 /serpent SL/HF-200
Troops-guardians x10 /serpent Sl/HF-225

Comes to 495pts and shouldn't die unless you fight a bunch of bikes with bike captain/Th/AA/SS.

Which he won't, since a Captain has 3 Wounds and 2+ armour, neither of which are allowed.

Yes, that list also works very well. Probably too well, as I don't see you losing to anything except another Eldar list.

W3 is allowed it says "No unit wound more than 3" as for the 2+ save drop the AA.

Ah, right, read "W3 or more". Still, 3+ Captain isn't nearly as scary as 2+.

 Araenion wrote:
Ah, right, read "W3 or more". Still, 3+ Captain isn't nearly as scary as 2+.

If he's on a bike and has the Shield Eternal and Iron Hands CT, he's plent friggin scary idk what you're talking about

4 wounds 3+ armor? Meh
my 2 wave serpents would do 2.63 wounds on him on average a turn, and even if hes in a squad of bikes i would just move back and shoot, move back and shoot, and then once i cant go back any further i would unload dire avengers and do another total wounds. I woundnt have any difficulty actually.

In low point games Wraithlords are a pain to deal with. Maybe a dual-brightlance Wraithlord. Helps you against armor and will devastate infantry.

Captain has only 3 Wounds. So 2 Serpents should kill him outright, even without shooting their shields.

But usually he will be in a squad of 5+ bikers, so you got to count him as having a few extra ablative wounds

If the board is normal or if its a 4x3 then his goose is cooked.

Erik_Morkai wrote:In low point games Wraithlords are a pain to deal with. Maybe a dual-brightlance Wraithlord. Helps you against armor and will devastate infantry.

That Toughness 8 is pretty confusing to deal with,

Araenion wrote:Captain has only 3 Wounds. So 2 Serpents should kill him outright, even without shooting their shields.

Without his 2+ saves I think he is quite managable

Arbiter wrote:If the board is normal or if its a 4x3 then his goose is cooked.

The board is actualy 4x2


So basicly from the replies that I get I was able to make a few more list.Please state your opinion regarding the list with list number so I would know which one is which.

1st List

HQ:
Spiritseer (70)

Troops
10 man guardian squad (110)
Scatter Laser heavy weapon platform

10 man guardian squad (110)
Scatter Laser heavy weapon platform

Heavy support

3 War Walker squadron (210)
3 Scatter laser,3 Bright Lance

Total 500

2nd list

HQ:
Spirit seer (70)

Troops
5 man Dire Avengers (200)
Wave serpent , Scatter lasers, Holofields

10 man guardians (225)
Wave serpent , Scatter lasers, Holofields

Total: 495

3rd List

HQ:
Spirit seer (70)


Troops
6 man Dire Avengers (213)
Wave serpent , Scatter lasers, Holofields

6 man Dire Avengers (213)
Wave serpent , Scatter lasers, Holofields

total 496

4th List

HQ
Spirit seer (70)

Troops
6 man Dire Avengers (213)
Wave serpent , Scatter lasers, Holofields

Heavy Support
3 War Walkers (210)
6 scatter lasers

Total 493

5th List


HQ
Spiritseer (70)

Troops:
7 man Dire avengers (226)
Wave serpent,Scatter laser,Holo fields

5 man Rangers (60)

Heavy support
1 Fire prism (140)
Holofields

Total 496