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I'm still not 100% sure what Build Fighters is, but I do like some of the kits. I picked up Gundam Fenice Rinascita this weekend and it looks nice. The first Gundam I was ever exposed to was Gundam Wing on Cartoon Network and Wing Gundam was my first ever Gundam kit, so buying the super fancy version of it made me a tad nostalgic.

 Sidstyler wrote:
I'm still not 100% sure what Build Fighters is, but I do like some of the kits. I picked up Gundam Fenice Rinascita this weekend and it looks nice. The first Gundam I was ever exposed to was Gundam Wing on Cartoon Network and Wing Gundam was my first ever Gundam kit, so buying the super fancy version of it made me a tad nostalgic.

Build Fighters is just one of the more recent series, like Gundam Wing or G-Gundam. Just this time instead of being a political/war anime or super robot fighting anime, its a 'Lets use Gundams as a super advanced version of Ex Illis' series.

 MLaw wrote:
What is the raptor dreadnought.. it looks like the ED-209 from the new Robocop.

It is, it is a gashapon figure

 Sidstyler wrote:
I'm still not 100% sure what Build Fighters is, but I do like some of the kits. I picked up Gundam Fenice Rinascita this weekend and it looks nice. The first Gundam I was ever exposed to was Gundam Wing on Cartoon Network and Wing Gundam was my first ever Gundam kit, so buying the super fancy version of it made me a tad nostalgic.

It is Gundam kiddie version and makes me think of angelic layer in a way
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gundam_Build_Fighters

I wouldn't say it's "Gundam kiddie version" That is grossly inaccurate.

Gundam Build Fighters is a series that takes place in the somewhat near future, Gunpla has exploded in popularity due to a company that produces a battle system for builders to "fight" their gunpla in. To understand some of the finer points of modeling the series demonstrates, you'd have to have some prior knowledge about modeling and the hobby in particular. Like for example the episode where Sei and Reiji fight against the Sengoku Astray they used Super glue in the joints to keep Star-Build Strike's arms from shattering in close combat.

More recently in Gundam Build Fighters Try, to fully realize how incredible some features are, you'd have to know how hard it is to model something the size of a piece of Nerds candy... (The Carel units from 00 are what I'm talking about) Also the scratch build stuff they show is really innovative. For example the Crossbone Gundam Full Cloth didn't have its' core-fighter modeled in the 1/144 HG kit, the build fighter using it modeled his own and it functioned perfectly.

I really like it, and I'm no kid. So I find the dumbing down of the series by calling it "kiddie version" kind of insulting to be honest.

GBF and GBFtry are some of the better Gundam series in recent years, Reconguista just sucks and seed wasn't any better (it made Gundam more like Pokémon)

00 before that was the last good Gundam series I had seen, 00 literally revitalized my love of Gundam. Especially since my first exposure was Gundam Wing and in my later years I realized how bad that series was. lol

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:
I wouldn't say it's "Gundam kiddie version" That is grossly inaccurate.

Gundam Build Fighters is a series that takes place in the somewhat near future, Gunpla has exploded in popularity due to a company that produces a battle system for builders to "fight" their gunpla in. To understand some of the finer points of modeling the series demonstrates, you'd have to have some prior knowledge about modeling and the hobby in particular. Like for example the episode where Sei and Reiji fight against the Sengoku Astray they used Super glue in the joints to keep Star-Build Strike's arms from shattering in close combat.

More recently in Gundam Build Fighters Try, to fully realize how incredible some features are, you'd have to know how hard it is to model something the size of a piece of Nerds candy... (The Carel units from 00 are what I'm talking about) Also the scratch build stuff they show is really innovative. For example the Crossbone Gundam Full Cloth didn't have its' core-fighter modeled in the 1/144 HG kit, the build fighter using it modeled his own and it functioned perfectly.

I really like it, and I'm no kid. So I find the dumbing down of the series by calling it "kiddie version" kind of insulting to be honest.

GBF and GBFtry are some of the better Gundam series in recent years, Reconguista just sucks and seed wasn't any better (it made Gundam more like Pokémon)

00 before that was the last good Gundam series I had seen, 00 literally revitalized my love of Gundam. Especially since my first exposure was Gundam Wing and in my later years I realized how bad that series was. lol

I liked Gundam when it was about the horrors of war and not about sell as many as model kits as possible, I didn't mind Gundam wing that much, i didn't like the strange Gundam designs that came straight out of a video game instead of being practical
(ok practical is nonsens) but the original series had some basic design rules, those seem to been thrown out of the window. And i am not talking about the difficulty of the model kits i am talking about the concept of the anime gearing more to the kids, Gun pla fighting what the hell has that to do with Original Gundam, i don't like it, and it is my opinion deal with it.

And i am sorry but i live in Japan and this series is geared towards children, the model kits depend on the grade, but even kids here have no problem with more higher grade kits, they grew up on pla models and are drowning in that shi..stuff.

 Jehan-reznor wrote:

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:
I wouldn't say it's "Gundam kiddie version" That is grossly inaccurate.

Gundam Build Fighters is a series that takes place in the somewhat near future, Gunpla has exploded in popularity due to a company that produces a battle system for builders to "fight" their gunpla in. To understand some of the finer points of modeling the series demonstrates, you'd have to have some prior knowledge about modeling and the hobby in particular. Like for example the episode where Sei and Reiji fight against the Sengoku Astray they used Super glue in the joints to keep Star-Build Strike's arms from shattering in close combat.

More recently in Gundam Build Fighters Try, to fully realize how incredible some features are, you'd have to know how hard it is to model something the size of a piece of Nerds candy... (The Carel units from 00 are what I'm talking about) Also the scratch build stuff they show is really innovative. For example the Crossbone Gundam Full Cloth didn't have its' core-fighter modeled in the 1/144 HG kit, the build fighter using it modeled his own and it functioned perfectly.

I really like it, and I'm no kid. So I find the dumbing down of the series by calling it "kiddie version" kind of insulting to be honest.

GBF and GBFtry are some of the better Gundam series in recent years, Reconguista just sucks and seed wasn't any better (it made Gundam more like Pokémon)

00 before that was the last good Gundam series I had seen, 00 literally revitalized my love of Gundam. Especially since my first exposure was Gundam Wing and in my later years I realized how bad that series was. lol

I liked Gundam when it was about the horrors of war and not about sell as many as model kits as possible, I didn't mind Gundam wing that much, i didn't like the strange Gundam designs that came straight out of a video game instead of being practical
(ok practical is nonsens) but the original series had some basic design rules, those seem to been thrown out of the window. And i am not talking about the difficulty of the model kits i am talking about the concept of the anime gearing more to the kids, Gun pla fighting what the hell has that to do with Original Gundam, i don't like it, and it is my opinion deal with it.

And i am sorry but i live in Japan and this series is geared towards children, the model kits depend on the grade, but even kids here have no problem with more higher grade kits, they grew up on pla models and are drowning in that shi..stuff.

Being a fun series instead of being uber serious does not equate to being meant for children.

I'm an adult and I like GBF. It's about time they did something fun rather than uber serious and "horrors of war" thing.

I greatly enjoy Adventure Time, but I'm not going to pretend that it's not a kids' show. Similarly, Transformers Prime was excellent, but it was a kids' show made to market toys.

I have no opinion on Build Fighters, but there's no need to take "kids' show" as an insult.

 Frozen Ocean wrote:
I greatly enjoy Adventure Time, but I'm not going to pretend that it's not a kids' show. Similarly, Transformers Prime was excellent, but it was a kids' show made to market toys.

I have no opinion on Build Fighters, but there's no need to take "kids' show" as an insult.

Its a kids show but some of us never grew up, so thats fine.

 Pete Melvin wrote:

 Frozen Ocean wrote:
I greatly enjoy Adventure Time, but I'm not going to pretend that it's not a kids' show. Similarly, Transformers Prime was excellent, but it was a kids' show made to market toys.

I have no opinion on Build Fighters, but there's no need to take "kids' show" as an insult.

Its a kids show but some of us never grew up, so thats fine.

True, but it's important to remember that things made for/marketed at children can still be high quality fiction. Probably the best example of this is Avatar: The Last Airbender (the cartoon).

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:


Being a fun series instead of being uber serious does not equate to being meant for children.

I'm an adult and I like GBF. It's about time they did something fun rather than uber serious and "horrors of war" thing.

It's a kid's show, to be sure, but it's a kid's show that only an adult will get all the jokes in.

Frozen Ocean wrote:I greatly enjoy Adventure Time, but I'm not going to pretend that it's not a kids' show. Similarly, Transformers Prime was excellent, but it was a kids' show made to market toys.

I have no opinion on Build Fighters, but there's no need to take "kids' show" as an insult.

Frozen Ocean wrote:I greatly enjoy Adventure Time, but I'm not going to pretend that it's not a kids' show. Similarly, Transformers Prime was excellent, but it was a kids' show made to market toys.

I have no opinion on Build Fighters, but there's no need to take "kids' show" as an insult.

One might say Adventure Time has an underlying, very adult theme that no child could pick up on. It's not like it's very apparent but it's some subtle things you pick up on.

squidhills wrote:

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:


Being a fun series instead of being uber serious does not equate to being meant for children.

I'm an adult and I like GBF. It's about time they did something fun rather than uber serious and "horrors of war" thing.

It's a kid's show, to be sure, but it's a kid's show that only an adult will get all the jokes in.

I've never met many kids under the age of 16 that were very interested in plamo/Gunpla, or that could really understand many different techniques in modeling. GBF has no toy market, it's all Gunpla. Some of the HG customization kits they've released too would drive any kid insane trying to construct the customized Gunpla.

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:

I've never met many kids under the age of 16 that were very interested in plamo/Gunpla, or that could really understand many different techniques in modeling. GBF has no toy market, it's all Gunpla. Some of the HG customization kits they've released too would drive any kid insane trying to construct the customized Gunpla.

Do i have to iterate again that in Japan they do and the amount of types of gundam kits here in Japan is staggering, they still sell the 80's style kids so kids can start on those, even SD Gundam kits are of higher level than the ones i had as a kid. And yes it is a kiddie show, The original Japanese power rangers have people die in them, and a lot of anime geared in the west towards young adults is considered is shown in the kids segment here.

 Jehan-reznor wrote:

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:

I've never met many kids under the age of 16 that were very interested in plamo/Gunpla, or that could really understand many different techniques in modeling. GBF has no toy market, it's all Gunpla. Some of the HG customization kits they've released too would drive any kid insane trying to construct the customized Gunpla.

Do i have to iterate again that in Japan they do and the amount of types of gundam kits here in Japan is staggering, they still sell the 80's style kids so kids can start on those, even SD Gundam kits are of higher level than the ones i had as a kid. And yes it is a kiddie show, The original Japanese power rangers have people die in them, and a lot of anime geared in the west towards young adults is considered is shown in the kids segment here.

Again, what may be "kiddie" there isn't "kiddie" here, and the gross overgeneralization of GBF as "kiddie" anything is staggeringly inaccurate.

It's a good series, and in my opinion, when it's described as "kiddie" that makes it sound more simple than it really is. It doesn't do the series justice in terms of entertainment levels.

Sure, some of the humor is campy, but what the hell do you expect from a series whose entire purpose is to peddle plastic crack!?

And about Super Sentai, a lot of series before Zyuranger were really really adult-themed, almost to the point of not being meant for young viewers. They didn't really start toning it down until a couple series *before* Zyuranger.

Either way, You can't dismiss GBF by saying it's "kiddie" it has real entertainment value to adults, like me, and more. Before GBF, I hadn't even thought of touching gunpla ever since Gundam wing. They're making some really good kits now and as someone who likes background in addition to good looking mecha, I liked the series before the gunpla. There are some pretty decent personal conflicts in the story and overall you can feel the characters growing as the series goes on. Something a lot of "kiddie" shows lack these days.

Well in the west this maybe considered for young adults but in Japan this is geared at young kids and young adults. The gundam shows were always created to sell model kits, but the recent series have been even more focused on selling kits than on the story.

The whole concept of the anime makes it in the same line as Pokemon, Digimon, Yugioh, beyblade, bakugan, medabots, Duel Masters etcetera , so IMHO it puts it the children bracket, that in some countries that deem any children show that has some adult themes in at as being not for kids are being over protective IMHO. Gundam was always about the horrors of war and that there were no clear cut good guys or bad guys, turning Gundam into an "Angelic Layers" with mecha, really makes me cringe.

Lets just agree to disagree.

Well I dunno about using Gundam models, but they are great to cannibalize with, for example:

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
Well in the west this maybe considered for young adults but in Japan this is geared at young kids and young adults. The gundam shows were always created to sell model kits, but the recent series have been even more focused on selling kits than on the story.

The whole concept of the anime makes it in the same line as Pokemon, Digimon, Yugioh, beyblade, bakugan, medabots, Duel Masters etcetera , so IMHO it puts it the children bracket, that in some countries that deem any children show that has some adult themes in at as being not for kids are being over protective IMHO. Gundam was always about the horrors of war and that there were no clear cut good guys or bad guys, turning Gundam into an "Angelic Layers" with mecha, really makes me cringe.

Lets just agree to disagree.

Except "Angelic Layer" didn't last too long because it was kinda cruddy to begin with? Ooh, fighting dolls, [barf]

The idea of customizing Gunpla and etc has been around forever, Bandai is just now capitalizing on it. People have been craving better kits from them for a while, and they're finally doing it.

Trust me, I read the plot for "angelic layer" and it sounded like crap. I guess you could say one element from the plot was taken for the plot of GBF-Try, In that the main character has no clue about gunpla, but then learns to love it. Except the person tutoring him etc isn't the creator of the Battle system, etc. It's just an older student at the same school. (Which is far more believable than this "angelic layer" thing you keep talking about)

Plus, the idea is as generic as they come, people build models, it'd be cool to battle those models, BOOM, you've got a series geared around Gunpla building and fighting.

Seriously, there's like one or two parallels between the two series, and if it weren't good it wouldn't have returned for a 2nd season.

(Plus, I like the mecha being produced from the new series, I wasn't a big fan of the original Wing-Zero, but I absolutely love Wing Gundam Zero Honoo, Gundam Fenice, and Build-Strike, because I absolutely hated Gundam Seed)

Yeah, I get it, "horrors of war" blah blah blah, You know, that trope gets old quickly, right? Gotta change things up to keep it fresh. otherwise, you run the risk of stagnation. Look at GW, they've stagnated on 40K because they haven't advanced the plot and it's still the same war war war, blah blah blah.

There's a reason this "angelic layer" thing only lasted a short time, and There's a reason why GBF is so successful. Instead of writing it off, you should at least give it a chance.

Maybe you should continue the non model discussion elsewhere chaps.

Gonna do a little thread necromancy here, but this may be of interest to others (or maybe just me). Apparently, Kotobukiya is going to be making models of the mechs from the new Xenoblade game.



It transforms, too.



Previews of the game have shown some mechs with aerial alt modes, too. So, there's probably a very good chance we'll be seeing more mechs than just this one. No info yet though regarding scale or price. I'd love it if they also happened to grab the license for Xenogears, but I'm sure nobody's ever going to make models of the mechs from that game.

Very, very nice. Is there an ETA for this?

That looks ace , will keep an eye out on it

Depending on the size I might be sold for count as!

M.

Here's a good set of gun parts for modifications and scratch builds.

https://www.hlj.com/product/kbyzd94


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This Armored Core robot tank is 22 cm long. The hull could be used for some kind of SF vehicle (APC, etc) and the gun arms would be good for conversions.

 -DE- wrote:
Very, very nice. Is there an ETA for this?

There was absolutely no info given with the pics, so no clue about ETA. But, given that Kotobukiya tends to show things off well in advance of their release (crazy, huh?), the earliest I think we could expect this is probably September. But, I think it's more likely to be either October or November since their summer releases have already been announced.

Depending on the size I might be sold for count as!

Kotobukiya tends to scale their kits so that they generally clock in around the same size. Looking closer at the kit, it looks like it may be using a Frame Arm Architect as a base. So, it looks like it'll be the same size as the rest of the Frame Arms line. Kotobukiya used Frame Arms as a base for their Border Break line, so it's not surprising to see them do it again here.

Oh, and that Armored Core V tank type?



Looks pretty cool. It's been a while since they made some non-humanoid leg types. This thing is going to be pretty big though. And expensive.




It's also going to have bonus parts to allow you to mount non-Armored Core V torsos to it.

22cm is superheavy tank sized chassis there!

Ummm! If it's scaled around frame arms it will be ok for Tau Riptides but not so much for an Eldar WK.

M.

I could use a Soulgrinder for my Chaos Daemons. Can anyone think of a mecha kit with 4 or more legs about the right size ?

 adamsouza wrote:
I could use a Soulgrinder for my Chaos Daemons. Can anyone think of a mecha kit with 4 or more legs about the right size ?

Soul Grinder, Defiler, or Mechanicus super heavy tank!



Made by Kotobukiya. All plastic, 1/35 scale, fully articulated, too.

 adamsouza wrote:
I could use a Soulgrinder for my Chaos Daemons. Can anyone think of a mecha kit with 4 or more legs about the right size ?

Maybe the Dust Tactics Allied "fireball".
Here's one someone here at dakka repainted. The stock mech comes in plain green with two different choices for the main gun.

Thanks Guys for the ideas.

Barzam wrote:
Soul Grinder, Defiler, or Mechanicus super heavy tank!
Made by Kotobukiya. All plastic, 1/35 scale, fully articulated, too.

Small detail missing, what's it called ?

Eilif wrote:
Maybe the Dust Tactics Allied "fireball".

I had thought about the Dust Tactics stuff, but after looking at pictures in the Alternative AdMech Models thread, they seem too large. Although, it might be worth it just to rip a pair of legs off one, if they were sexy enough.

 adamsouza wrote:
Thanks Guys for the ideas.

Barzam wrote:
Soul Grinder, Defiler, or Mechanicus super heavy tank!
Made by Kotobukiya. All plastic, 1/35 scale, fully articulated, too.

Small detail missing, what's it called ?

Eilif wrote:
Maybe the Dust Tactics Allied "fireball".

I had thought about the Dust Tactics stuff, but after looking at pictures in the Alternative AdMech Models thread, they seem too large. Although, it might be worth it just to rip a pair of legs off one, if they were sexy enough.

The GiTS tank http://www.amazon.com/COMPLEX-multi-legged-HAW206-Modelver-Plastic/dp/B00DGNDMBW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1431009786&sr=8-1&keywords=ghost+in+the+shell+1%2F35+tank