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 RiTides wrote:

 krazynadechukr wrote:

 RiTides wrote:

 Breotan wrote:
I just got a non-confirmation confirmation from my local GW store that he would be able to sell FW as early as this coming Wednesday. He can't set up the new till yet because he has to get in touch with tech support and that can't happen until Monday. :(

Interesting, so not just Memphis, but maybe all GWs? That would be most welcome (and even more if FLGS could do it, too).

no.... You are missing the point. No GW store actually will stock fw stuff. You order it from the computer in a GW store and it is sent to that store for you. Memphis just stocks it all...

You seem to have misread my post, I was referring to any GW store ordering FW, not stocking it (and thus, as mikhaila asks, maybe independent stores too?).

aahhh, got it. Apologies.

 krazynadechukr wrote:
No GW store actually will stock fw stuff. You order it from the computer in a GW store and it is sent to that store for you.

That seems pretty pointless then. Why would I want to drive to a GW store, place an order in the store, and then drive back again to pick it up? Why not just order online as I do now and have it sent straight to my house? Even if they're offering free shipping to the store I'd rather just pay an extra $10 directly than have to drive 30+ minutes each way to the nearest GW store and spend that much in gas anyway.

 Peregrine wrote:

 krazynadechukr wrote:
No GW store actually will stock fw stuff. You order it from the computer in a GW store and it is sent to that store for you.

That seems pretty pointless then. Why would I want to drive to a GW store, place an order in the store, and then drive back again to pick it up? Why not just order online as I do now and have it sent straight to my house? Even if they're offering free shipping to the store I'd rather just pay an extra $10 directly than have to drive 30+ minutes each way to the nearest GW store and spend that much in gas anyway.

Not to mention it'd save you from actually having to step into a GW store

i liked being able to order / get FW stuff from GW stores, it generally made dealing with bad parts much easier, not that FW customer service doesnt make it super easy, I just liked being able to tell the red shirt to sort it out

Yeah, I was wondering this... and will you have to pay tax in-store? Hopefully not as that would offset free shipping...

In most places you are required to pay sales tax where you purchase your merchandise. In some places you are even supposed to report your mail purchases to the state and pay the tax yourself.

Yeah, not sure how you'd be avoiding sales tax where you purchase FW stuff in your 'home state'.

 Alpharius wrote:
Yeah, not sure how you'd be avoiding sales tax where you purchase FW stuff in your 'home state'.

As long as they get rid of VAT, I'd be okay with sales tax...

 RiTides wrote:
Yeah, I was wondering this... and will you have to pay tax in-store? Hopefully not as that would offset free shipping...

you order fw or bl like a preorder from the computer at the store, print slip, pay gw, there is state tax (0 to 9.9% depends where you live), but free postage to store. Takes up to 7 days to arrive.

I recently ordered dkok from UK to USA, paid about 19% "tax/post/other import fees" when I figured all fees, and waited 27 days!

It is a win if you just pay state tax!

 krazynadechukr wrote:

 RiTides wrote:
Yeah, I was wondering this... and will you have to pay tax in-store? Hopefully not as that would offset free shipping...

you order fw or bl like a preorder from the computer at the store, print slip, pay gw, there is state tax (0 to 9.9% depends where you live), but free postage to store. Takes up to 7 days to arrive.

I recently ordered dkok from UK to USA, paid about 19% "tax/post/other import fees" when I figured all fees, and waited 27 days!

It is a win if you just pay state tax!

And that already includes the EU only VAT that they don't remove for non-EU customers so you probably paid another 10-20% in tax hidden in the cost as well.

 RiTides wrote:
Yeah, I was wondering this... and will you have to pay tax in-store? Hopefully not as that would offset free shipping...

Uh, most states have you put on your annual taxes what the amount of untaxed stuff you bought online or out of state. You're free to lie on it, but at that point you're a thief and scofflaw for not pay your bill for society. Complaining that you have to pay taxes on something you were already supposed to just seems daft to me.

hands_miranda wrote:

 RiTides wrote:
Yeah, I was wondering this... and will you have to pay tax in-store? Hopefully not as that would offset free shipping...

Uh, most states have you put on your annual taxes what the amount of untaxed stuff you bought online or out of state. You're free to lie on it, but at that point you're a thief and scofflaw for not pay your bill for society. Complaining that you have to pay taxes on something you were already supposed to just seems daft to me.

Hilarious...

Anyway, and again, I just can't see FW being sold CHEAPER in the USA via GW because they took the VAT out of the price.

The price will stay the same, GW will make a bit more on it, and somewhere in there is a benefit to us.

The only one I can think of is being able to check the parts of all models first, spot the hideous miscasts and/or warping and NOT buying it.

If i recall correctly, when you used to be able to order FW from within the GW store, you paid the same price as you would ordering directly, GW handled all the VAT/TAX nonsense behind the scenes

 ironicsilence wrote:
If i recall correctly, when you used to be able to order FW from within the GW store, you paid the same price as you would ordering directly, GW handled all the VAT/TAX nonsense behind the scenes

That's what I remember too - so, if you were buying enough to hit free shipping via FW, and now you do that in a GW store, you'll be paying more now.

Though as noted previously, the ability to do some on the spot QC before paying can potentially save you a lot of money and headaches...

Id be a happy camper if GW stores would just stock FW, but I suspect maybe FW isnt equipped to handled that kind of stock demand? I can never think of a time where the QC on FW stuff was better then it was when the stores actually stocked stuff.

Ok, went to FW site & placed a 36 GBP (49.68 usd) item in cart, went to calc post & all, it is $57.14 total (you have to actually go all the way to nearly entering CC for DOC fees). 3 weeks delivery time minimum.

Once GW has it on computer, same item, say the same price, with CA tax (9%), $54.16 total, about a weeks wait...

I think that is a win. Save a little money ($3 per item!), but more important is time saved

 krazynadechukr wrote:
Ok, went to FW site & placed a 36 GBP (49.68 usd) item in cart, went to calc post & all, it is $57.14 total (you have to actually go all the way to nearly entering CC for DOC fees). 3 weeks delivery time minimum.

Once GW has it on computer, same item, say the same price, with CA tax (9%), $54.16 total, about a weeks wait...

I think that is a win. Save a little money ($3 per item!), but more important is time saved

You realize thow that the fw items will get prices "adjusted" for eals wear right?

If that was true i could get a fw mki landraider for the same price as the normal plastic one here in canada.

 Harriticus wrote:
Surprised GW just didn't get rid of the property to save costs in light of their stock issues. The entire reason Memphis was shut down was to hide their problems.

They could since they own the property and the warehouse was built from the ground up, IIRC they spent about $2 million on the property and construction. They probably wouldn't get much more for it if they did sell it, but they still would need a central distribution site for North America so there would be no reason to shut it down completely and sell it off.

Wow, apparently asking if the sale will automatically add tax if done in store gets me flamed

I'll likely stick to the DCM group FW orders... we always hit the free shipping level, so there's no need to have it shipped to the store. If they're charging VAT, plus tax, and using whatever conversion rate they like... I just can't see much benefit in this over doing a group order as we currently do.

Carry on

Seems as if I hit a nerve when I posted up a question about this on the local GW's Facebook page.

The response as follows:

You do not have permission to post unreported announcements on the stores Facebook page. That it why I had to delete your post about Forgeworld becoming available in the shops. I hope that happens in the future, but for the time being it is simply not true, and I would hate to let somebody down because they had mistakenly thought it was available due to your post. Please feel free to post pictures of your Games Workshop miniatures on the page, and use it as a resource to see what's going on in the shop. Have a lovely day.

 krazynadechukr wrote:
3 weeks delivery time minimum.

In my experience this isn't the case. Average delivery times for me are about a week and a half. So by ordering in a GW store I'm maybe saving 2-3 days, if I can get out to the GW store to place the order as soon as I decide to buy something. If I have to wait for an opportunity to go to the store and make the order, and then go back to pick it up, it's probably going to be faster to just order direct from FW and have it sent to my house.

Save a little money ($3 per item!), but more important is time saved

But you're not really saving either unless you live next to a GW store. You have to drive to the GW store and back twice (once to make the order, once to pick it up), and that takes time and money.

xraytango wrote:
Seems as if I hit a nerve when I posted up a question about this on the local GW's Facebook page.

The response as follows:

You do not have permission to post unreported announcements on the stores Facebook page. That it why I had to delete your post about Forgeworld becoming available in the shops. I hope that happens in the future, but for the time being it is simply not true, and I would hate to let somebody down because they had mistakenly thought it was available due to your post. Please feel free to post pictures of your Games Workshop miniatures on the page, and use it as a resource to see what's going on in the shop. Have a lovely day.

It's not really "hitting a nerve", xray.

Here in North America, pretty much any GW shop is going to give you a card with the shop's Facebook page as a way to "keep in touch" with the shop. By you announcing on that page(I don't know what exact wording you used) something to the effect of "Guys, you can buy Forge World through the shop now!"--it might get some of the shop's customers to start thinking that you will be able to.

And what will happen if this is just a rumor, not fact?


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 RiTides wrote:
Wow, apparently asking if the sale will automatically add tax if done in store gets me flamed

I'll likely stick to the DCM group FW orders... we always hit the free shipping level, so there's no need to have it shipped to the store. If they're charging VAT, plus tax, and using whatever conversion rate they like... I just can't see much benefit in this over doing a group order as we currently do.

Carry on

Sure, the DCM group orders always hit the free shipping level--but then each person is having to pay for shipping to them, in addition to paying the already inflated conversion rate price which includes VAT to begin with.

From what I understand, they cannot use VAT as part of the sale price when ordering through their shops.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Sure, the DCM group orders always hit the free shipping level--but then each person is having to pay for shipping to them, in addition to paying the already inflated conversion rate price which includes VAT to begin with.

From what I understand, they cannot use VAT as part of the sale price when ordering through their shops.

That would be awesome if they excluded the VAT, and I'd pay sales tax at the store gladly in that case

Here's hoping!

Here's the part I don't quite understand. Memphis plastic stock was removed and shipped back to the UK where Nottingham handled distribution worldwide. Now Memphis is going to be an inventory hub for Forge World models. There's a disconnect here and I'm really not able to bridge the gap.

 RiTides wrote:
Wow, apparently asking if the sale will automatically add tax if done in store gets me flamed

Wasn't trying to flame you. A bunch of people being cool with tax evasion (that's what not paying the Use Tax is, BTW) hits a bit of a chord with me, considering taxes are the basis of my salary and all. I figured since this forum is so down on following the law about things like recasting and IP piracy would be equally so about other illegalities.

 RiTides wrote:
That would be awesome if they excluded the VAT, and I'd pay sales tax at the store gladly in that case

Here's hoping!

As I understood it, stores would effectively raise their price to people overseas to equalize the price with what it would be with the VAT still added in. It's one of the reasons I refuse to buy stuff (excluding books which have no VAT on them) from an overseas shop unless they refund the VAT or at least don't charge me exorbitant shipping. I think they expect most people to be relatively ignorant on the issue since it's not spelled out on most sites-- I was unaware of the lack of VAT on books until it was pointed out to me recently.

Well, try not to read into a simple question next time, then . If GW drops the VAT, I'd be 100% happy to pay sales tax, but I just don't want THEM charging tax twice.

How I do my own taxes is a separate question- I actually have no idea on your issue as my wife does them, but I believe we square up and pay taxes on everything. But I'd rather not have GW charge two countries' taxes and keep half!

 Kanluwen wrote:

xraytango wrote:
Seems as if I hit a nerve when I posted up a question about this on the local GW's Facebook page.

The response as follows:

You do not have permission to post unreported announcements on the stores Facebook page. That it why I had to delete your post about Forgeworld becoming available in the shops. I hope that happens in the future, but for the time being it is simply not true, and I would hate to let somebody down because they had mistakenly thought it was available due to your post. Please feel free to post pictures of your Games Workshop miniatures on the page, and use it as a resource to see what's going on in the shop. Have a lovely day.

It's not really "hitting a nerve", xray.

Here in North America, pretty much any GW shop is going to give you a card with the shop's Facebook page as a way to "keep in touch" with the shop. By you announcing on that page(I don't know what exact wording you used) something to the effect of "Guys, you can buy Forge World through the shop now!"--it might get some of the shop's customers to start thinking that you will be able to.

And what will happen if this is just a rumor, not fact?


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 RiTides wrote:
Wow, apparently asking if the sale will automatically add tax if done in store gets me flamed

I'll likely stick to the DCM group FW orders... we always hit the free shipping level, so there's no need to have it shipped to the store. If they're charging VAT, plus tax, and using whatever conversion rate they like... I just can't see much benefit in this over doing a group order as we currently do.

Carry on

Sure, the DCM group orders always hit the free shipping level--but then each person is having to pay for shipping to them, in addition to paying the already inflated conversion rate price which includes VAT to begin with.

From what I understand, they cannot use VAT as part of the sale price when ordering through their shops.

Well, I'm going to guess that we will find out on April 7.

And I'll admit it was kind of fun to troll the GW Facebook!

On VAT, I was under the impression that unless we lived in Britain, we didn't have to pay it, at least not for goods bought over here. It wwould seem as though if they shipped it to their warehouse here and used their POS system to sell it here, then we don't have to pay any VAT, as we don't have a VAT, nor would GW have to pay anything more than excise and customs to get it out/in the country as it is not being sold in a VAT subject region.

Someone with more knowledge feel free to set us straight here, please.

 Breotan wrote:
Here's the part I don't quite understand. Memphis plastic stock was removed and shipped back to the UK where Nottingham handled distribution worldwide. Now Memphis is going to be an inventory hub for Forge World models. There's a disconnect here and I'm really not able to bridge the gap.

No, Memphis actually made sprues. They still stock gw product. It was decided for quality control issues, and costs, to close manufacturing side of gw memphis.....

 Breotan wrote:
Here's the part I don't quite understand. Memphis plastic stock was removed and shipped back to the UK where Nottingham handled distribution worldwide. Now Memphis is going to be an inventory hub for Forge World models. There's a disconnect here and I'm really not able to bridge the gap.

Only the manufacturing part of Memphis was shut down, they are still the distribution hub for North America (and Australia I think).

All GW product is now manufactured in Nottingham. GW has regular container shipment ts that go back and forth between the Memphis and Lenton HQs, I think the one for Memphis arrives every Monday (at least it did when I worked there).

Any orders placed for FW product would get shipped from Lenton on the container to Memphis then distributed from the Memphis HQ to customers and stores. Or they could have FW stock on hand shipped to them for the most popular codes, say a 3 month supply for each code, then when the stock get low they would just reorder from Nottingham. Any customer orders for product they don't normally carry would be ordered along with the restock.

Okay, I guess I just got some bad info then. Or more likely I misunderstood.

No matter, I expect we'll be charged sales tax as well as VAT just as we were before when GW sold FW kits out of their stores.