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Hi firstly pretty new to dakkadakka so I hope this is in the right place. I've been thinking about purchasing the 15mm dream forge leviathan crusader as a substitute for an imperial knight. I play mostly casual games with friends although I would like it to be an equivalent size and from the pics I could find the 28mm leviathan is a bit to big. Does anybody have a side by side comparison of the 15mm crusader and the new imperial knight. I think many people would find this helpful. Also based on its size do you guys think that some fancy basing work would be a good enough substitute for the size in a casual setting? Thanks any pics would be much ppreciated and I know I'm not the only one interested.

I have been wondering this same thing. I bought a 15 mm leviathan when it was on sale because I wanted one anyway, but I also would like to use it as a knight.

I think the leviathan is about 1.5" shorter than the knight, but some basing could probably make up for it.

hm 1.5" difference does not seem that bad that could defiantly be substituted with some basing work. Hows the general bulkiness of the crusader the height is one thing but the general bulk is also an important factor. Any pics would be great if you have them ideally with a comparable model like a riptide or wraith knight etc. Thanks.

Tinqle wrote:
hm 1.5" difference does not seem that bad that could defiantly be substituted with some basing work. Hows the general bulkiness of the crusader the height is one thing but the general bulk is also an important factor. Any pics would be great if you have them ideally with a comparable model like a riptide or wraith knight etc. Thanks.

I'd say the exact opposite: 1,5 inches is a BIG difference in size. I think you could run into trouble if playing against opponents outside your regular gaming group, as I can easily imagine people not wanting to play against a model that's a full 1/4 the size of the real model. As suggested I suppose you could make up for some of this with terrain.

Honestly I think the Knight model looks a lot better then the Leviathan, and the difference in cost isn't that big where I live.
Also do consider that it will be a few months before you can buy the 15mm alternative weapon options for the Levithan (which will add up the cost).

If you really like the model though, go for it, and convert/make terrain to cover the last 1,5 inches.

Good points I would defiantly have make up that 1.5" with basing and thats why I was wondering about the width as well because I would like it to be as close as possible. As for the price, here in the USA, it's almost a 100$ difference (on ebay 49$ vs 120$ for a knight) so for me its worth it if its possible. It would be going in my guard army so I was thinking of combining an earth shaker cannon and the russ battle cannon to make the primary gun. I'm still not convinced on the size though and would love to see some pics of one in a side by side.

The 15mm DFG Leviathan is more on scale with a Contemptor Dred.
The 28mm one is about 1/2 inch taller than the GW Knight.
I would go with the 28mm one.
Then if you wanted to run some Contemptors in a SM army the 15mm ones would be a nice thematic fit.

dkellyj wrote:
The 15mm DFG Leviathan is more on scale with a Contemptor Dred.
The 28mm one is about 1/2 inch taller than the GW Knight.
I would go with the 28mm one.
Then if you wanted to run some Contemptors in a SM army the 15mm ones would be a nice thematic fit.

Just ordered a 15mm one off ebay so we'll see how it stacks up in person. If it turns out to be too small I like the idea of using it as a contemptor dreadnought seeing how its standard gun is basically a khers assault cannon. When I get it all assembled I'll post some pics of it side by side my riptide and wraith knight.

If the size is really off could you post one next to a standard dred also? Or a standard bolter marine?

dkellyj wrote:
The 15mm DFG Leviathan is more on scale with a Contemptor Dred.
The 28mm one is about 1/2 inch taller than the GW Knight.
I would go with the 28mm one.
Then if you wanted to run some Contemptors in a SM army the 15mm ones would be a nice thematic fit.

This guy is totally off. The 28mm Dreamforge Leviathan is about 2" taller than the Imperial Knight and looks ridiculous on the table proxying for the Knight. Unfortunately neither 15mm or 28mm Crusader is a good fit for a proxy.

Imperial Knight Titan vs Dreamforge 15mm Leviathan. Side by side video comparison of the two models. imo the leviathan wins convincingly in kit quality. The ability to pose it is so much better than the knight it makes the knight look like a 1 piece model.

15mm leviathan = 4.6"
Knight titan 6" = +1.4"
28mm leviathan 8.5" = +2.5"

This means the sizing is awkward, but it can be worked around imo. In my area people would happily play 15mm's as knights and 28mm's as warhounds.

15mm leviathans can look pretty damn awesome imo! Google-fu will yield a lot of good results. Slight size issues don't outweigh awesomeness.

I saw a picture of one with a scenic base that was built up from "crushed ruins" basically - to compensate for the height different.

The Leviathan was "running / jumping" from the built up base. Looked really good.

I would be ok with this proxy method - you just have to make the height and base size roughly the same.

I totally get the $45 vs $140 appeal to the leviathan. I would turn any player away with one as long as they've attempted to make it as close to the Imperial Knight model as possible.

But there is also a question of the table being played on. You need "big" terrain to match the Knight's size for cover and what not. If there isn't any terrian that big on the board, a stock 15mm Leviathan would be fine. Heck, just put a radio antenna on it to show the extra 1.5"

Hi just figured I would post some pics of my imperial knight lined up with my riptide and wraith knight. I think I have successfully based it in a way that makes it suitable for play let me know what you think and hopefully this resolves any doubts over its size.

If you have not already seen these pics on my other post.

http://s961.photobucket.com/user/nestastiles/library/Imperial%20Knight?sort=2&page=1

xghostmakerx wrote:

dkellyj wrote:
The 15mm DFG Leviathan is more on scale with a Contemptor Dred.
The 28mm one is about 1/2 inch taller than the GW Knight.
I would go with the 28mm one.
Then if you wanted to run some Contemptors in a SM army the 15mm ones would be a nice thematic fit.

This guy is totally off. The 28mm Dreamforge Leviathan is about 2" taller than the Imperial Knight and looks ridiculous on the table proxying for the Knight. Unfortunately neither 15mm or 28mm Crusader is a good fit for a proxy.

Yeah. I was basing this off the original reports that the Knight was 8" tall. Turns out they are only 6" or so. It leaves the Knight right in the middle of the two DFG Leviathans for size.
Makes you wonder if GW recognized the potential proxy issue a year ago when the Leviathan hit the streets so they took the CAD for the Knight and reduced it 25%.
FWIW my DFG 28mm Leviathan came in the mail today. Worse case I can use it as an Warhound since its pretty close in size to that.

I'd have zero problem with someone using a levi as a knight, as I've not run into anyone that has a problem when I do it.

A comparison pic for those interested, Imperial Knight, 28mm Leviathan, Forgeworld Bloodthirster, from left to right

Personally the dreamforge looks really stupid, like even moreso than the imperial titan.

That whole torso piece, and the huge head and bare spine column just look really off.

Great comparison pic Vord! The 28mm towers over the knight. If it wasn't for the extremely static posing of the knight, I think it would compete a lot better with the leviathan. As it is, all I want from the knight kit is the decals for leviathans ; p