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Coyote - a point on the table is not an object. Your argument is voided, please use the vehicle movement rules which does tell you how to measure

If you pivot a tank 180 degrees, according to you it has moved that displacement. Thus reducing the amount it can actually move. Breaking the rule.

You're wrong. Sorry to be blunts but you haven't read the preceding thread son this, nor the vehicle movement rules. Page four DOES NOT APPLY as you have been shown more than once now.

This does not merit further discussion from my side,as it is a settled matter, and has been for sixteen years, seriously, apply a little sense to this - what is the likelihood that you are right, and sixteen years of players just haven't noticed?

I don't have a problem with someone starting a game with their tank pivoted sideways or ending their turn and pivoting their tank sideways. Just take the extra movement potential into consideration while your premeasuring everything.

As an orc players, I use this tactic not to gain an inch of movement but to screen my better stuff (like battlewagons and boyz) with garbage (like wartracks with skorcha- those things used to have trailers too and were 6-7" long!).

Cheating had nothing to do with it. Just an alternative perspective.

Additionally, most vehicles have a weaker side armour, so setting your self up for this to try and get in a first turn charge can hurt if you lose the Initiative.

Happened a few weeks back against an Ork player. Had his BWs lined up sideways to try and get in an early charge, and they were subsequently destroyed after I seized and opened fire with Serpent Shields and Scatter Lasers.

nosferatu1001 wrote:
Coyote - a point on the table is not an object. Your argument is voided, please use the vehicle movement rules which does tell you how to measure

If you pivot a tank 180 degrees, according to you it has moved that displacement. Thus reducing the amount it can actually move. Breaking the rule.

You're wrong. Sorry to be blunts but you haven't read the preceding thread son this, nor the vehicle movement rules. Page four DOES NOT APPLY as you have been shown more than once now.

This does not merit further discussion from my side,as it is a settled matter, and has been for sixteen years, seriously, apply a little sense to this - what is the likelihood that you are right, and sixteen years of players just haven't noticed?

-Page 4 is the only set of rules on how to measure distance. If you can't measure to a random point on he table, how do you move you tank/infantry when they are out in the open? You premeasure to nothing? Or do you measure to the point you are going to move you infantry to? You make no sense., Page 4 clearly covers every bit of measuring that is done in 40k. There is no other method to measure stuff in 40k.

-Very clear page 4 does apply, page 71: it distinctly says for vehicles to measure from the hull instead of the base since they have no base and page 4 even mentions this and has a diagram showing this. Quit saying it doesn't apply, nothing in the book says this. It just says you don't use the base, you use the hull instead.

-By the rules I mention, if you pivot you tank 180 degree, the distance from the tank to whatever object/point hasn't change, so you haven't moved. No displacement shenanigans here.

-Your stubbornness to further discuss this matter is rather comparable to medieval times when the Vatican flatly said the Earth was round, everyone knows this for 1000 of years, no need to question this. Everyone is already doing things right. Just because everyone "knows" something to be true and the right way to do something does not mean they are doing it correctly.

Coyote, what do you make of p71:
"The normal rule of measuring distances to or from a base cannot be used."

And then page 4:
" draw an imaginary line from the centre of the unit to its destination, and move the unit forwards along this line a number of inches equal to the distance stated."

Centre of the tank moves 12", whether it starts pivoted forward: 4" away from your deployment line, or it's sideways: 2" from the Deployment line.

the tank will ALWAYS move 12", and no rules are broken. That's valid if the centre of it is 8" forward, or 10" forward (depending on deployment)

 BlackTalos wrote:


And then page 4:
" draw an imaginary line from the centre of the unit to its destination, and move the unit forwards along this line a number of inches equal to the distance stated."

This is out of context and does not have anything to do with the conversation at hand.

The context is in the line just before the one you quoted...

"sometimes the rules will call upon a unit to move directly towards another unit, or some other feature on the battlefield. Where this is the case, draw an imaginary line from the center...." (4)

Starting a quote mid sentence after a comma is a misrepresentation.

I understand the context, however it is the only reference in the rulebook as how to move vehicles, specifically. P10 and P71 do not specify exactly how to measure distances travelled during movement. The heading "Measuring Distances" might therefore be partly relevant.
Page 4 was also mentioned in the argument, and i was just pointing out that this part may indeed be used as an indication of RaW.

 BlackTalos wrote:
Coyote, what do you make of p71:
"The normal rule of measuring distances to or from a base cannot be used."

And then page 4:
" draw an imaginary line from the centre of the unit to its destination, and move the unit forwards along this line a number of inches equal to the distance stated."

Centre of the tank moves 12", whether it starts pivoted forward: 4" away from your deployment line, or it's sideways: 2" from the Deployment line.

the tank will ALWAYS move 12", and no rules are broken. That's valid if the centre of it is 8" forward, or 10" forward (depending on deployment)

As DeathReaper said, you can't quote those lines/paragraphs without quoting all of it. Pg71 Says to use the hull instead of the bases. As Deathrepeaer said, the paragraph you quote on page 4 specifically says that it applies only when some effect makes you move directly toward another enemy/object.

 BlackTalos wrote:
I understand the context, however it is the only reference in the rulebook as how to move vehicles, specifically. P10 and P71 do not specify exactly how to measure distances travelled during movement. The heading "Measuring Distances" might therefore be partly relevant.
Page 4 was also mentioned in the argument, and i was just pointing out that this part may indeed be used as an indication of RaW.

(Emphasis mine)
The underlined is 100% false.

They did not need to specify how to move vehicles as the base movement rules cover it, especially with the bit on P. 71 about measuring from the hull as many vehicles do not have a base.