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I am not a Nid player but i do have a soft spot for them. Here is my "list." CC please

Warlord: Walking Hive Tyrant, 2xTL devourers, regen, norn crown (265)
-3x Tyrant guard (150)

HQ2: Flying Hive Tyrant, 2xTL devourers (230)

T1: Tervigon (195)
T2: 25x Termagant (100)
T3: 25x Termagant (100)
T4: 10x Termagant (40)

E1: Zoanthrope (50)
E2: Venomthrope (45)
E3: 3x Warriors w/ 1x Biocannon (???)

H1: 3x Biovores (120)
H2: 3x Carnifexen w/ 2xTL devourers (420)
H3: Exocrine (170)

Fort: Bastion (75)
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Total: 1960 + E3

Active Formations:
1) Living Artillery Node (Warriors+3xBiovores+Exocrine) - Formation gets pinning and warriors provide 12' re-roll bubble to blast/barrage weapons.

2) Incubator Node (Tervigon+3xTermagants) - Tervigon re-rolls 1s when spawning.


Thoughts???

as you dont have a single 30 termagaunt unit can you take the tervigon as troop? for me he would just be in the formation but then does not count as one of the troops actually and you wwould miss troops in the main list.

 Deuce11 wrote:
I am not a Nid player but i do have a soft spot for them. Here is my "list." CC please

Warlord: Walking Hive Tyrant, 2xTL devourers, regen, norn crown (265)
-3x Tyrant guard (150)

HQ2: Flying Hive Tyrant, 2xTL devourers (230)

T1: Tervigon (195)
T2: 25x Termagant (100)
T3: 25x Termagant (100)
T4: 10x Termagant (40)

E1: Zoanthrope (50)
E2: Venomthrope (45)
E3: 3x Warriors w/ 1x Biocannon (???)

H1: 3x Biovores (120)
H2: 3x Carnifexen w/ 2xTL devourers (420)
H3: Exocrine (170)

Fort: Bastion (75)
--------------------------------------------------------
Total: 1960 + E3

Active Formations:
1) Living Artillery Node (Warriors+3xBiovores+Exocrine) - Formation gets pinning and warriors provide 12' re-roll bubble to blast/barrage weapons.

2) Incubator Node (Tervigon+3xTermagants) - Tervigon re-rolls 1s when spawning.


Thoughts???

I'm pretty sure that the Terv is an HQ, unless you buy one Brood to 30....also, you need a minimum of 2 troops in your FOC.....

 Deuce11 wrote:
I am not a Nid player but i do have a soft spot for them. Here is my "list." CC please

Warlord: Walking Hive Tyrant, 2xTL devourers, regen, norn crown (265)
-3x Tyrant guard (150)

HQ2: Flying Hive Tyrant, 2xTL devourers (230)

T1: Tervigon (195)
T2: 25x Termagant (100)
T3: 25x Termagant (100)
T4: 10x Termagant (40)

E1: Zoanthrope (50)
E2: Venomthrope (45)
E3: 3x Warriors w/ 1x Biocannon (???)

H1: 3x Biovores (120)
H2: 3x Carnifexen w/ 2xTL devourers (420)
H3: Exocrine (170)

Fort: Bastion (75)
--------------------------------------------------------
Total: 1960 + E3

Active Formations:
1) Living Artillery Node (Warriors+3xBiovores+Exocrine) - Formation gets pinning and warriors provide 12' re-roll bubble to blast/barrage weapons.

2) Incubator Node (Tervigon+3xTermagants) - Tervigon re-rolls 1s when spawning.


Thoughts???

Well the biggest problem with this list is that you technically have no troops. Units in formations do not count for the normal FOC. So this list is illegal.

Ignoring that problem, the biggest issue I have is that you only have one FMC. Your flyrant is going to be shot out of the sky very early. You either need to saturate the area (at lest 2 FMCs) or have none at all. One is just a points waste.

In my opinion, I would just drop the Incubator Node formation. You really aren't getting much of a benefit from it. Instead run 2 squads of 30 terms and make the terv a troop choice. Drop the regen off your tyrant and the wings off of the other. Instead give both tyrants 2 guard each.

I didn't realize that the formation makes troops... um... not troops.

Before fitting the formations in I actually had 2x30 Gants and the Tervi as my troops. So, fair enough, I will change that back.

The thoughts on the single FMC. I think he is a great utility character. Even by himself he can provide a lot in terms of strategy. For now I will drop him and try to fit this list into 1850 or something. Thanks for the advice guys!!!

One interesting note is that this list is more accepted now than a few months ago when I debuted its core originally. Oh how things are a changing...


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Warlord: Walking Hive Tyrant, 2xTL devourers, regen, norn crown (265)
-3x Tyrant guard (150)

T1: Tervigon (195)
T2: 30x Termagant (120)
T3: 30x Termagant (120)


E1: Zoanthrope (50)
E2: Venomthrope (45)
E3: 3x Warriors w/ 1x Biocannon (???)

H1: 3x Biovores (120)
H2: 3x Carnifexen w/ 2xTL devourers (420)
H3: Exocrine (170)

Fort: Bastion (75)
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Total: 1730+ E3

Active Formations:
1) Living Artillery Node (Warriors+3xBiovores+Exocrine) - Formation gets pinning and warriors provide 12' re-roll bubble to blast/barrage weapons.

 Deuce11 wrote:
I didn't realize that the formation makes troops... um... not troops.

Before fitting the formations in I actually had 2x30 Gants and the Tervi as my troops. So, fair enough, I will change that back.

The thoughts on the single FMC. I think he is a great utility character. Even by himself he can provide a lot in terms of strategy. For now I will drop him and try to fit this list into 1850 or something. Thanks for the advice guys!!!

One interesting note is that this list is more accepted now than a few months ago when I debuted its core originally. Oh how things are a changing...


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Warlord: Walking Hive Tyrant, 2xTL devourers, regen, norn crown (265)
-3x Tyrant guard (150)

T1: Tervigon (195)
T2: 30x Termagant (120)
T3: 30x Termagant (120)


E1: Zoanthrope (50)
E2: Venomthrope (45)
E3: 3x Warriors w/ 1x Biocannon (???)

H1: 3x Biovores (120)
H2: 3x Carnifexen w/ 2xTL devourers (420)
H3: Exocrine (170)

Fort: Bastion (75)
--------------------------------------------------------
Total: 1730+ E3

Active Formations:
1) Living Artillery Node (Warriors+3xBiovores+Exocrine) - Formation gets pinning and warriors provide 12' re-roll bubble to blast/barrage weapons.

The Warriors are troops.
The problem you had was the FOC requires two troops min, and you had none. Formations are sepperite, and each part, must be "OK" on it's own. One thing that transends (as written) is that for each 30 Term Brood, 1 Terv. can be changed into troops (it is per Army)

So troops in a formation Are Troops, but they are seperate from the FOC...?

ermmm sure.. whatever... it is legal now, right? or are you saying that I need an HQ and a second troop choice in order to benefit from the living artillery node now?

Correct me if I am wrong but this is not how formations used to work in apoc. is it?

I run a walking and and a flying tyrant all the time. I agree with you that a single Flyrant is of great use and if used intelligently can be effective even if he is the only flyer.

I don't think TL Dev work on a walking Tyrant. He's not very mobile so tool him out for combat and run him the whole time or give him the Miasma Cannon and a HVC or Stranglethorn Cannon. Also, I would say drop the Norn Crown. It's expensive and the points are better spent elsewhere. Drop regen while you are at it because with 3 Guard with him he won't really need it. A better place for it would be on the Tervigon.

Speaking of the Tervigon get that boy a Thorax Swarm for 10 points! I'm a fan of Shreddershard beatles myself.

A single Zoan or Venom is just asking to give up First Blood IMO, but I assume you are going to park one of them in the Bastion so that will at least make it a little harder to kill.

I would change the other 30 man unit of Termies into another unit of Warriors to get some more synapse going but I'm not much of a fan of the smaller gribblies anyway.

 Deuce11 wrote:
Warlord: Walking Hive Tyrant, 2xTL devourers, regen, norn crown (265)
-3x Tyrant guard (150)

T1: Tervigon (195)
T2: 30x Termagant (120)
T3: 30x Termagant (120)


E1: Zoanthrope (50)
E2: Venomthrope (45)
E3: 3x Warriors w/ 1x Biocannon (???)

H1: 3x Biovores (120)
H2: 3x Carnifexen w/ 2xTL devourers (420)
H3: Exocrine (170)

Fort: Bastion (75)
--------------------------------------------------------
Total: 1730+ E3

Active Formations:
1) Living Artillery Node (Warriors+3xBiovores+Exocrine) - Formation gets pinning and warriors provide 12' re-roll bubble to blast/barrage weapons.

This looks like a good list. I would agree with the above poster and drop the TL devs and regen off of the tyrant.

 Deuce11 wrote:
I didn't realize that the formation makes troops... um... not troops.

Before fitting the formations in I actually had 2x30 Gants and the Tervi as my troops. So, fair enough, I will change that back.

The thoughts on the single FMC. I think he is a great utility character. Even by himself he can provide a lot in terms of strategy. For now I will drop him and try to fit this list into 1850 or something. Thanks for the advice guys!!!

One interesting note is that this list is more accepted now than a few months ago when I debuted its core originally. Oh how things are a changing...


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Warlord: Walking Hive Tyrant, 2xTL devourers, regen, norn crown (265)
-3x Tyrant guard (150)

T1: Tervigon (195)
T2: 30x Termagant (120)
T3: 30x Termagant (120)


E1: Zoanthrope (50)
E2: Venomthrope (45)
E3: 3x Warriors w/ 1x Biocannon (???)

H1: 3x Biovores (120)
H2: 3x Carnifexen w/ 2xTL devourers (420)
H3: Exocrine (170)

Fort: Bastion (75)
--------------------------------------------------------
Total: 1730+ E3

Active Formations:
1) Living Artillery Node (Warriors+3xBiovores+Exocrine) - Formation gets pinning and warriors provide 12' re-roll bubble to blast/barrage weapons.

Warriors aren't elites, they're troops (In your case troops that don't count towards your minimum requirement of 2 troops as they're in a formation). The Bio-Cannon you're forced to take on the Warrior squad in the Exocrine, Biovore formation is just one of the heavy weapons they have access to eg. Venom Cannon or Barbed Strangler. Also note that the Biovores are 3 seperate broods of 1 in that formation (you can add to them if you want) which is a lot better as you can fire at 3 different targets and spawn more Spore Mines. Also if you still want to take that Tervigon Formation you can just take 2 squads of 10 Gants as your troops and then 1 squad of 30 and 1 squad of 10 in the formation itself, thus allowing the Tervigon to become scoring.

 Zande4 wrote:
Also note that the Biovores are 3 seperate broods of 1 in that formation (you can add to them if you want) which is a lot better as you can fire at 3 different targets and spawn more Spore Mines.

Not necessarily true. It says 3 biovores, not 3 biovore broods. I personally like running them in a unit of 3. I've seen it discussed that the wording means you could potentially do any combination of 3 in one brood, 2 in a brood and 1 in a brood, or 3 broods of 1.

LOL this helps: http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2014/03/40k-tyranids-rejoice.html

thanks everybody


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Warlord: Walking Hive Tyrant, 2xTL devourers, regen, norn crown (265)
-3x Tyrant guard (150)

T1: Tervigon (195)
T2: 30x Termagant (120)
T3: 30x Termagant (120)

E1: Zoanthrope (50)
E2: Venomthrope (45)

H1: 3x Carnifexen w/ 2xTL devourers (420)

Fort: Bastion (75)

Living Artillery Node Formation:
*T: 3x Warriors w/ 1x Biocannon (???)
*H1: 3x Biovores (120)
*H2: Exocrine (170)
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Total: 1730 + *T

Active Formations:
1) Living Artillery Node (Warriors+3xBiovores+Exocrine) - Formation gets pinning and warriors provide 12' re-roll bubble to blast/barrage weapons