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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/05 07:11:21
Subject: Blessings duration/Synapse spell.
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Fixture of Dakka
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The occasional misconception would be the fault of the readers, never will I deny that point. In fact, I am happy when I encounter rare mistakes that can be corrected, more so from new players, because at least it isn't the same old stuff that filters through this board. That sort of situation is clearly the readers mistake and they often go away quite quickly with content, their problems solved and whatever Rule was bothering them no longer an issue. But when the same misconception continues to happen: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/582918.page#6598084 Again and http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/568167.page#6363141 and again http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/573183.page#6437816 and again http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/565206.page#6297978 Well, I do have to start to pause and give it pondering as if maybe they should of at least slapped a few words to make the situation a little more easier to follow. In this case a reminder that this does not allow the Psyker to cast on the turn they arrive, and reference the restrictions again for 100% certainty. Oh, and that That was just the first three pages of searching for 'blessings' with a lot of other stuff mixed in. Enviably, whenever the timing of the "Start if Turn" and "Start of Movement Phase" is raised in any thread it will eventually lead to that Frequently Asked Question. Soon as that hits the board there is always someone, or even a small group, that stands up and states the wrong answer based on some logical infallibility in that rule. After a point in time, repeat occurrences in a lot of other poorly written Frequently Asked Questions and even some of the Rules themselves, it is part of a trend that can't simply be waved away as 'the readers are to blame.' Now I am curious, for personal reasons so you don't have to answer or anything, why we have hijacked this thread so. I have asked that we simply walk away because this matter was off topic to the original thread, which had already been handled quite nicely with the additional information needed to push other people back on the right track if they too came to the wrong conclusion because of the Frequently Asked Question... but we are still here. At this point it seems nothing more then to argue over whom is responsible for this misunderstanding which again serves no purpose.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2014/03/05 07:13:54
8th made it so I can no longer sway Tau onto the side of Chaos, but they will eventually turn aside from their idea of the Greater Good to embrace the Greatest of pleasures. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/05 07:24:22
Subject: Blessings duration/Synapse spell.
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So why do you keep rebutting?
All I said was a simple "you cannot do this" can't be made more clear. Lots of pepple getting it wrong doesn't change the fact that "you cannot do this" is as clear as can be.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/05 08:02:03
Subject: Blessings duration/Synapse spell.
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Fixture of Dakka
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There hasn't been a proper rebuttal from either of us for a few posts now, just hashing our views over and over in a thread that would otherwise be dead and really should be left to die. As for why I keep posting, simple: you have made me curious as to why you defend the writers with such loyalty, on this matter and some others posted here recently. I can understand the 'readers are to blame' sentiment some of the time but when it is defended to this level compassion, and I am honestly when I am a little bored, I sort of take notice. I guess, well, you interest me a little for the time being... simple as that. If you wish to walk away from this pointless discussion, I'm more then willing to let it drop as soon as you request it.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2014/03/05 08:02:12
8th made it so I can no longer sway Tau onto the side of Chaos, but they will eventually turn aside from their idea of the Greater Good to embrace the Greatest of pleasures. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/05 10:03:02
Subject: Blessings duration/Synapse spell.
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Hacking Interventor
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Do you think that all that might appear to be just a little condecending?
I couldn't care less about the writers but people are all too willing to lay their problems at another's door rather than simply taking the time to read things thoroughly
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/05 11:37:17
Subject: Blessings duration/Synapse spell.
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Fixture of Dakka
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I doubt many here would feel these people are 'laying their problems another door' when they try and get a greater understanding by coming to this forum for clarification.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2014/03/05 11:37:36
8th made it so I can no longer sway Tau onto the side of Chaos, but they will eventually turn aside from their idea of the Greater Good to embrace the Greatest of pleasures. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/05 11:52:24
Subject: Blessings duration/Synapse spell.
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I never said they were.
Saying it is because of poor writing that those people ask questions here here is laying the "blame" elsewhere.
I have no problem with people asking questions, the rules are extensive and a lot to take on board but lots of questions doesn't not equate to poor writing per se.
Surely you must agree that read thoroughly the rules leave no doubt as to whether a Psyker can cast a blessing on the turn he enters from reserve.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/05 12:28:08
Subject: Blessings duration/Synapse spell.
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Fixture of Dakka
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I am sure you, the veterans that favor this board and myself all have no doubt how this rule functions but I do not think that is a fair sampling. We are regular posters on a rule debating forum and are expected to have a higher understanding of the rule, vital to have any reputation in places like this. Therefore, instead of measuring others to my self, I am looking at this as nothing more then rough statistics and expected patterns. It is the fact this one specific error constantly reoccurs warrants more attention, more then just brushing it off as other people not paying attention to their letters. Let me ask some questions: What is it about the chosen words that makes it difficult for people to easily comprehend? Why do people forget the core elements of this rule, but remember that it allows blessings to be cast after reserves, leading to the misconception? What is it that makes their opponents, on hearing this explanation, agree with them on the table top after quickly reviewing the Frequently Asked Question in question? And simply, if you do believe it is nothing more then a lack of reading: What in the format of this rule makes it so people do not even want to read it?
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2014/03/05 12:28:25
8th made it so I can no longer sway Tau onto the side of Chaos, but they will eventually turn aside from their idea of the Greater Good to embrace the Greatest of pleasures. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/05 12:39:01
Subject: Blessings duration/Synapse spell.
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JinxDragon wrote:What in the format of this rule makes it so people do not even want to read it?
It has nothing to do with the format.
Not reading and comprehending things properly is a pretty wide spread occurrence.
The real question to ask is How many people who read the rule don't come here to seek clarification ?
If you have no idea of what percentage of the overall population the few people who ask here are then you really can't make any accurate comment on the quality of the writing.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/05 13:03:48
Subject: Blessings duration/Synapse spell.
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Fixture of Dakka
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Then a sampling will need to be found, and is that research you are capable of doing?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/05 13:12:50
Subject: Blessings duration/Synapse spell.
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No it isn't
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/05 13:15:52
Subject: Blessings duration/Synapse spell.
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[DCM]
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JinxDragon wrote:There hasn't been a proper rebuttal from either of us for a few posts now, just hashing our views over and over in a thread that would otherwise be dead and really should be left to die.
Probably for the best in this regards.
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