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Has anyone spotted Mierce Miniatures are going to be at salute this year????

I wondering just how many people who got ripped off by Maelstrom will be at that show - I'm sure there could be a whole load of very unhappy people who haven't quite forgiven Rob Lane...... the
Things could get ugly and in previous years they were refused exhibition space because of potential problems, so this year could be interesting although I bet he won't dare show his face just in case.

I'm quite surprised that they are going as if I'd ripped that many people off for that much money I wouldn't dare show my face in public again!

Their stand will be the one surrounded by sandbags, razor wire and a first aid station

I thought Rob Lane was no longer connected to Mierce, but the shenanigans involved seemed particularly Byzantine so I may be wrong.

He's still shown as the director of Mierce so I'm guessing he's still taking the money.........

They didn't rip me off but its pretty easy to prove the link between Rob Lane and Meirce being that he is listed as the only Principle in Dunn & Bradstreet, the company also lists it has 1 share of 1 each. So that's an undisputable fact, I'd also avoid Anglia Games Limited and Penda Strategies Limited for the same association.

Their also listed as having a Failure score of 1, so that's 99% of companies have a lower risk of failure, with a negative financial strength score (N4) and a probability of failure at 55%! So another quality RL production then.

I hope they're in the middle near the seating. Standing and eating popcorn while watching nerdrage can be sooo tiring.

Unfortunately they did rip me off along with several guys from a couple of our gaming groups, some of which are going to Salute "with intent to supply" (supply themselves with stuff they're owed!)

I think the Salute guys may need to put up a splash screen in front of your viewing area .....especially if the LARP sellers are there again - with their axes and swords

With this years theme a Sten gun or a Lee Enfield with spike bayonet maybe more appropriate. But you should just go with what feel comfortable with.

Whilst I'm sure the posts are made in jest and no one is actually planning on committing a criminal offence it'd be best if we moved away from this whole are of thought/discussion.

Thanks.

 notprop wrote:
They didn't rip me off but its pretty easy to prove the link between Rob Lane and Meirce being that he is listed as the only Principle in Dunn & Bradstreet, the company also lists it has 1 share of 1 each. So that's an undisputable fact, I'd also avoid Anglia Games Limited and Penda Strategies Limited for the same association.

Their also listed as having a Failure score of 1, so that's 99% of companies have a lower risk of failure, with a negative financial strength score (N4) and a probability of failure at 55%! So another quality RL production then.

I hope they're in the middle near the seating. Standing and eating popcorn while watching nerdrage can be sooo tiring.

I couldn't resist. Just done a BVD check... Seems Meirce is having some problems too... He's a fool for going as I think he might have a few angry people to deal with. From a purely professional point of view I would love to see him, or whatever smuck he sends, trying to deal with that. The man dosn't seem to know the meaning of "going concern".

Consider me wrong then. I'd thought he'd vanished. I know a few people who lost money with Malestrom and it's a shame he taints Mierce now.

 Steve steveson wrote:

 notprop wrote:
They didn't rip me off but its pretty easy to prove the link between Rob Lane and Meirce being that he is listed as the only Principle in Dunn & Bradstreet, the company also lists it has 1 share of 1 each. So that's an undisputable fact, I'd also avoid Anglia Games Limited and Penda Strategies Limited for the same association.

Their also listed as having a Failure score of 1, so that's 99% of companies have a lower risk of failure, with a negative financial strength score (N4) and a probability of failure at 55%! So another quality RL production then.

I hope they're in the middle near the seating. Standing and eating popcorn while watching nerdrage can be sooo tiring.

I couldn't resist. Just done a BVD check... Seems Meirce is having some problems too... He's a fool for going as I think he might have a few angry people to deal with. From a purely professional point of view I would love to see him, or whatever smuck he sends, trying to deal with that. The man dosn't seem to know the meaning of "going concern".

What's a BVD check?

I'd have been interested in seeing the stand, peoples reaction to them and the party line being trotted out. I doubt Rob would be there, as it'd make it impossible to claim that he's not involved with the company, and that Mierce have nothing to do Maelstrom. I certainly wouldn't want to be one of the smucks that gets sent down; or mostly likely, Salute Security for when things inevitably get too heated.

From what I can tell, a lot of folk got burned by Maelstrom (I was out about £10, but I saved about £100 in the clearances), so I imagine there will be enough people passing Mierces stand asking when they can get their money back to completely ruin the staffs day.

Herzlos wrote:
What's a BVD check?

http://www.bvdinfo.com

Or

http://www.rvc.ac.uk/bvd/Index.cfm

I strongly recommend the 1st of those.

 Steve steveson wrote:
I couldn't resist. Just done a BVD check... Seems Meirce is having some problems too... He's a fool for going as I think he might have a few angry people to deal with. From a purely professional point of view I would love to see him, or whatever smuck he sends, trying to deal with that. The man dosn't seem to know the meaning of "going concern".

What problems is Mierce having that you're referring to? Mierce has been pretty wildly successful via Kickstarter, from what I've seen... not trying to brush anything aside, I'm genuinely asking.

 reds8n wrote:
Whilst I'm sure the posts are made in jest and no one is actually planning on committing a criminal offence it'd be best if we moved away from this whole are of thought/discussion.

Thanks.

Only Joking ......well at least I am - I can't speak for anyone else who may be more annoyed with maelstrom/ Mierce than me. We did go slightly off topic

The main point is / was - should they be attending Salute when this company was basically a phoenix from Maelstrom's ashes, propped up on money essentially leeched off customers who ordered in good faith only to see their money gone and a new company emerge (and then have to be funded by kickstarter as well)

I can't see them having a very good day in between being ranted at by lots of ripped off gamers........... I will be hurling some abuse their way in passing but that's probably as far as I'll go (or admit to- just in case the Mods watching again )

In terms of them being Wildly successful......... only time will tell, greed and a lack of morals are not a personality trait that would vanish overnight

richred_uk wrote:

Herzlos wrote:
What's a BVD check?

http://www.bvdinfo.com

Or

http://www.rvc.ac.uk/bvd/Index.cfm

I strongly recommend the 1st of those.

Thanks, curiously about the only thing I can see for free on bvdinfo.com is:

MIERCE MINIATURES LIMITED
Previous name :MAELSTROM WARGAMES LIMITED until 23/03/2012

Which is even more damning. I'd assumed a new company had formed and the assets shifted but it's still recorded as being the same entity.


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 SoulDrinker wrote:

I can't see them having a very good day in between being ranted at by lots of ripped off gamers........... I will be hurling some abuse their way in passing but that's probably as far as I'll go (or admit to- just in case the Mods watching again )

If I were going I'd ask them if I could get a credit note for the goods they hadn't shipped yet. If I were to get my £10 back in Mierce stuff I'd be pretty happy assuming I was given it over the counter. They still have the capacity to make up for the Maelstrom fiasco and if they did that I'd give them another chance (but again, cash on delivery)

 RiTides wrote:

 Steve steveson wrote:
I couldn't resist. Just done a BVD check... Seems Meirce is having some problems too... He's a fool for going as I think he might have a few angry people to deal with. From a purely professional point of view I would love to see him, or whatever smuck he sends, trying to deal with that. The man dosn't seem to know the meaning of "going concern".

What problems is Mierce having that you're referring to? Mierce has been pretty wildly successful via Kickstarter, from what I've seen... not trying to brush anything aside, I'm genuinely asking.

Defiance Games were also very successful with Kickstarter. There will never be any shortage of people throwing money at companies even when the entire internet is screaming that it's a bad idea.

Herzlos wrote:

richred_uk wrote:

Herzlos wrote:
What's a BVD check?

http://www.bvdinfo.com

Or

http://www.rvc.ac.uk/bvd/Index.cfm

I strongly recommend the 1st of those.

Thanks, curiously about the only thing I can see for free on bvdinfo.com is:

MIERCE MINIATURES LIMITED
Previous name :MAELSTROM WARGAMES LIMITED until 23/03/2012

Which is even more damning. I'd assumed a new company had formed and the assets shifted but it's still recorded as being the same entity.

You won't get much from the free checks. I just checked up on them (I have paid access for customer credit checking) to get the full info following what notprop said about their D&B report.

The company that is in insolvency is Maelstrom Gaming Ltd, not Maelstrom Wargames Ltd. Different companies owned by the same person. I assume he chaged the name to get away from the Maelstrom "Image"

 RiTides wrote:

 Steve steveson wrote:
I couldn't resist. Just done a BVD check... Seems Meirce is having some problems too... He's a fool for going as I think he might have a few angry people to deal with. From a purely professional point of view I would love to see him, or whatever smuck he sends, trying to deal with that. The man dosn't seem to know the meaning of "going concern".

What problems is Mierce having that you're referring to? Mierce has been pretty wildly successful via Kickstarter, from what I've seen... not trying to brush anything aside, I'm genuinely asking.

Meirce's reports (as all companies here) are available from various publishing companies. They are useful to ascertain the stability of companies that you may which to do business with. The Dunn & Bradstreet report that got on them (Steve Stevesone used BVD) does not paint a pretty picture of Meirce's finances, though this could be based upon oldish data depending on when they submit their accounts.

Anyhoo Meirce show a very poor score for stability and payment of debt on time (53% late). Their net assets are -£33k and their probability of failure in the next year is 55%. I'm guessing Steve found similar results (I'm not paying BVD for this info too! )

Now if that was based on figures submitted prior to the Kickstarter then clearly they are probably in a better position. Of course that means that all those backers gave money to a company that had more debts that assets and is owner purely by a man that has a less than sterling reputation for paying debts (Maelstrom failed owing more than £1M by the way......).

So all in all the Kickstarter could be wildly successful as you say and I'm not saying that it won deliver (has it delivered?), but me I'm glad I steered clear.

Good point. I forgot there was 2 Maelstroms (with the same address and owner). The name change can only be to try and avoid the association with the insolvent Maelstrom.

Edit: Is there any way to find out how the insolvency thing is progressing, particularly in terms of whether the transfer of money and assets was legitimate?

 RiTides wrote:

 Steve steveson wrote:
I couldn't resist. Just done a BVD check... Seems Meirce is having some problems too... He's a fool for going as I think he might have a few angry people to deal with. From a purely professional point of view I would love to see him, or whatever smuck he sends, trying to deal with that. The man dosn't seem to know the meaning of "going concern".

What problems is Mierce having that you're referring to? Mierce has been pretty wildly successful via Kickstarter, from what I've seen... not trying to brush anything aside, I'm genuinely asking.

What notprop alluded too. Both D&B and BVD are showing they are very high risk. They have liabilities about twice the assets and a few other problems.

You can sell as many goods as you want, but if there is no profit in them then it's not going to work. It may well be that the company is now on a much better financial footing since the last accounts were filed before these kickstarters, but I wouldn't fund them myself, not just because of my worry over the financials, but also the way customers of Maelstrom were treated.


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 notprop wrote:

Anyhoo Meirce show a very poor score for stability and payment of debt on time (53% late). Their net assets are -£33k and their probability of failure in the next year is 55%.

Yep. Near enough the same. Very high risk and 50% rate of failure as of 30.04.13. More worrying is that he has £13k of fixed assets and all his liabilities are current...

 notprop wrote:
(I'm not paying BVD for this info too! )

I wouldn't. D&B is much better IMO, but someone else with more power than me prefers BvD.

Herzlos wrote:
Good point. I forgot there was 2 Maelstroms (with the same address and owner). The name change can only be to try and avoid the association with the insolvent Maelstrom.

Edit: Is there any way to find out how the insolvency thing is progressing, particularly in terms of whether the transfer of money and assets was legitimate?

Extract from MG D&B report



Companies House lists MG as "in Liquidation".

With the following dates of relevance;

Order to Wind Up: 09/04/2013
Petition Date: 01/02/2013
Practitioner Release: 09/04/2013
Due to be Dissolved: 23/04/2014

So it looks like that turkey is just about cooked.

I'll caveat this by saying that I'm not arguing either way specifically about Mierce but there are some things to bear in mind.

1) Kickstarter requires a US-based company to collect the funds and pay appropriate taxes, reading the UK-filed accounts for Mierce may or may not reflect the impact of that monies, it really depends on the structure and degree of separation between the two entities.

2) Net assets is a really, really, really poor indicator of health and performance for a company operating for the short period of time Mierce has been, mainly because you're holding up the total value of liabilities (mainly loans) against profits for a non-comparable period of time. You need Income Statement and Cash Flow reports and projections to draw a correct context around the number.

I don't believe there's any requirement to pass the money through a US-based company, unless your kickstarter is in dollars. From kickstarter:

To be eligible to start a Kickstarter project as a UK creator, you need to meet the following requirements:

You are 18 years of age or older
You are a permanent resident in the UK either creating a project in your own name or on behalf of a legal entity with a Companies House Number.
You have a UK address, UK bank account, and government-issued ID (driver's license or passport).
You have a major UK credit or debit card.

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 notprop wrote:

Herzlos wrote:
Good point. I forgot there was 2 Maelstroms (with the same address and owner). The name change can only be to try and avoid the association with the insolvent Maelstrom.

Edit: Is there any way to find out how the insolvency thing is progressing, particularly in terms of whether the transfer of money and assets was legitimate?

Extract from MG D&B report

Spoiler:

Special Events

This section provides details of miscellaneous special events impacting the business, normally less critical that the legal/public filing events detailed in the Public Filings tab. This may include press clippings, changes of name or address etc.
Critical legal notice information filed is investigated by D&B Analysts,and where relevant, comment is presented in this section.

*A petition for the winding-up of the above named company was presented on 01.02.2013. On 09.04.2013 a winding-up order was made. Courts : Leeds District Registry.

*A petition for the winding-up of the above named company was presented on 01.02.2013 by Robert Lane. The hearing is to take place on 09.04.2013 at Leeds District Registry, The Courthouse, Oxford Row, Leeds LS1 3BG. Plaintiff's Solicitors are Wosskow Brown Solicitors LLP . Pet No: 146/2013.

Companies House lists MG as "in Liquidation".

With the following dates of relevance;

Order to Wind Up: 09/04/2013
Petition Date: 01/02/2013
Practitioner Release: 09/04/2013
Due to be Dissolved: 23/04/2014

So it looks like that turkey is just about cooked.

So does that mean on the 23/04 we'll find out what's happened, or does it pass onto another stage or anything? I don't have a stake in it but I'm curious and it'd be nice to see if they were caught trying to pull a fast one.

My bad, you're right they're UK listed on KS.

Rob Lane here. It's time to break the silence and give you a few facts.


First of all, if anybody *is* planning "something" at Salute, I suggest that person thinks about what they're doing carefully, and writes their words here carefully. As for lynching, you all know where we are - our address is carefully listed on our website and on our documents - feel free to come and do so whenever you like, you don't need a Salute to do it.

Secondly, I am the the director of Mierce Miniatures, just like I was the director of Maelstrom Games, which died because two other companies decided to make it die and not because I wanted to rip customers off. (By the way, notrop - Maelstrom didn't owe "over a million"; the Official Receiver got their sums wrong, and it is half that originally shown. I have the correct creditor's list if you or anybody else wants it, and of course so does the OR).

Thirdly, Mierce's first annual report shows a loss for one reason only: the bad debt incurred by giving money to Maelstrom Games (I'm not sure if the website you're mentioning shows this) to and Maunsfeld Gaming to pay staff in their death throes, which is roughly £40,000 (Admin expenses, last page), debt which can never be repaid. Yes, Mierce is a Maelstrom creditor - oh, the shock. I can provide our annual accounts (written by our chartered accountants) on request, if you do not believe me. Additionally, it should also be mentioned that many small businesses, in their first year of trading, make a loss. In other words, it's not unusual for that to occur, as I'm sure you all well know, having business knowledge. As for not having many "assets" (intangible and tangible), it must be remembered that these accounts cover 2012-2013, up to April, and in April 2013 we only had a couple of miniatures from the first Kickstarter in our possession (although we did show how much we owed the sculptors for them, "trade debtors", which creates an imbalance). Our assets are, of course, much greater now.

Fourthly, if any single one of you thinks that I personally have made money out of the death of Maelstrom, you'd be wrong and very ill-informed. I am personally £50,000 in debt, still, because of what happened - through credit cards and a personal loan - money that I pumped into Maelstrom in 2012 to try and stop the company going under. Again, I can provide evidence of this if you really want. Thankfully, despite this, I've managed to keep paying my mortgage, which no doubt annoys those of you that wanted me to lose my house (and thus put kids on the street). Unfortunately, two companies decided to put Maelstrom Games under and there was nothing I could do about that and nobody wanted to help - not banks, nobody. I sympathise with anybody that has lost money from what happened to Maelstrom Games, but don't think for one second that a) I wanted Maelstrom Games to die; why on earth would I? and b) I've absconded with any money; and c) that I've used money from Maelstrom to create a miniature manufacturer - because none of the above is the case, and the latter two is provable.

Fifthly, Mierce Miniatures purchased the original BaneLegions miniatures from Maelstrom Games legally and fairly, paying £10,000 more than the amount decided by an independent valuer to be a fair value for the assets at the time, the transaction for which has been inspected by the Official Receiver (a government body) and found to be fine. Apart from that, the only involvement Mierce had with Maelstrom Games was to provide it with miniatures to sell and, eventually, to fulfil Maelstrom Games orders for Mierce Miniatures products (that could not be fulfilled by Maelstrom). Effectively, Mierce gave miniatures to Maelstrom to fulfil those orders, over 200 orders if I recall correctly, and many thousands in value.

Sixthly, the Official Receiver - who oversees the death of companies that Insolvency Practitioners can't make money out of - has concluded their investigation and I have not been charged with any crime, nor have I had to do anything for the OR except attend one interview in April last year and explain what happened. This explanation can be found in official documents. I'm not being charged, I'm not being struck off as a director.


Finally, I don't expect any of the above will make any difference to some of you, and I've no doubt I'm just feeding the troll, or maybe just some internet warriors who simply take the word of someone (because it's dramatic or because everybody loves to have someone to hate) without trying to find out about what really happened, let alone to understand why it happened. But at some point - having read and listened to some very personal attacks over the past couple of years, some of which is frankly ridiculous, and from people who should know better - I have to say "enough is enough", and I've reached that point. I've stayed silent so that trolls aren't fed, but despite my own reservations about doing so, this is my response, for what it's worth.

None of you can hope to understand what myself, my family, and my staff and their families, have gone through in the past couple of years; and it's all because another company got impatient (we were paying their debt regularly, and at a far greater rate than any court would enforce; additionally, I offered that company as many BaneLegions as they could sell to further pay for that debt, for free, and they refused them) and another company got greedy (they refused to accept any kind of payment plan). If you think those other two companies are innocent, especially if you're "friends" of those companies, you're very wrong and totally ill-informed. If they hadn't done what they had done, Maelstrom would still be here (and in a different place, too. I still have the solicitor's documents that prove Maelstrom was moving into a warehouse, if anybody would like to see them).

Direct your ire at those two companies over Mierce, because Mierce had absolutely nothing to do with Maelstrom Games' demise, and this can be proven. Mierce would not exist if it were otherwise, the Official Receiver would ensure of that.

I ask that you don't abuse my staff at Salute; they simply work for me, and they work for me still because they know the truth about what happened.

If you wish to talk further in a calm and sensible manner, e-mail me. Otherwise, troll away.

Thanks for replying to this thread and making the clear statement.

But hopefully you can see the point of view of the customers who are also out of pocket. I can appreciate that your hand was forced somewhat by what happened with the creditors (which, as I understand it was to prevent one of them going under), but I think what concerned a lot of customers was the interaction (or lack of) towards the demise. It was fairly clear there were financial problems as the sales got more and more drastic, but right up until the end the claim was that you were almost moved into a warehouse and the clearance sale was for stuff you didn't want to have to shift and then boom! liquidated. With another company appearing almost instantly with all the same details but "not Maelstrom".

Things happen that force companies under; that much is understandable, and had you been honest about that (and answered the phones in the last week or 2) the customer base would be more understanding than when they get the impression they've been lied to or scammed.

You did provide BaneLegions stuff to those that ordered via Maelstrom, which is commendable, but there were still a lot of people who were left out of pocket and are subsequently wary of dealing with Mierce purely because of how the Maelstrom thing was treated. Me included (I like the Mierce stuff, I've got some warrior woman figure whos name I can't pronounce and it's pretty impressive).

Hopefully you'll have a successful time at Salute and not be too harsh towards those that feel they need to vent their frustrations.

Thanks, Rob! Love the Mierce stuff, and every single interaction I've had with Mierce has been phenomenal. Keep up the good work there.

Additionally, OP, I'd encourage you to change the title of the thread. I know in the UK "lynching" doesn't have quite the connotation it does in the US, but just bear in mind that in the US the associations with lynching are pretty vile.

Mierce Miniatures wrote:
Rob Lane here. It's time to break the silence and give you a few facts.


First of all, if anybody *is* planning "something" at Salute, I suggest that person thinks about what they're doing carefully, and writes their words here carefully. As for lynching, you all know where we are - our address is carefully listed on our website and on our documents - feel free to come and do so whenever you like, you don't need a Salute to do it.

Don't be a baby this is the UK not America, the worst will get is grumpy looks and the odd sneer

Secondly, I am the the director of Mierce Miniatures, just like I was the director of Maelstrom Games, which died because two other companies decided to make it die and not because I wanted to rip customers off.).

Yes they made you owe allot of people allot of money.

(By the way, notrop - Maelstrom didn't owe "over a million"; the Official Receiver got their sums wrong, and it is half that originally shown.

Quite right, that's much better isn't it.

Fourthly, if any single one of you thinks that I personally have made money out of the death of Maelstrom, you'd be wrong and very ill-informed. I am personally £50,000 in debt, still, because of what happened - through credit cards and a personal loan - money that I pumped into Maelstrom in 2012 to try and stop the company going under.

So not the best person to lend money to then...?

But to be clear you still own your own house. It wasn't sold to cover your debts for example. Its fortunate that some good came of all this.

b) I've absconded with any money; and c) that I've used money from Maelstrom to create a miniature manufacturer - because none of the above is the case, and the latter two is provable.

but your first instinct was to transfer assets to another shell company while continuing to hold a sale at Maelstrom and continually sending out emails promoting said sale. Nothing like ferreting away the family silver through the back door while the front one burns down is there?

Sixthly, the Official Receiver - who oversees the death of companies that Insolvency Practitioners can't make money out of - has concluded their investigation and I have not been charged with any crime, nor have I had to do anything for the OR except attend one interview in April last year and explain what happened. This explanation can be found in official documents. I'm not being charged, I'm not being struck off as a director

So long as there's no stain on your good character, well that's just peachy.

Finally, I don't expect any of the above will make any difference to some of you, and I've no doubt I'm just feeding the troll, or maybe just some internet warriors who simply take the word of someone (because it's dramatic or because everybody loves to have someone to hate) without trying to find out about what really happened, let alone to understand why it happened. But at some point - having read and listened to some very personal attacks over the past couple of years, some of which is frankly ridiculous, and from people who should know better - I have to say "enough is enough", and I've reached that point. I've stayed silent so that trolls aren't fed, but despite my own reservations about doing so, this is my response, for what it's worth.

Why should it make a difference and why is it trolling. You ran a failed miniature business that owed allot of people money and you seem to want to play the victim? What utter codswallop.

You now run a related company, you are the common denominator here as it the product, don't be surprised if your former customers want to have a word with you now you come out of hiding.

None of you can hope to understand what myself, my family, and my staff and their families, have gone through in the past couple of years; and it's all because another company got impatient (we were paying their debt regularly, and at a far greater rate than any court would enforce; additionally, I offered that company as many BaneLegions as they could sell to further pay for that debt, for free, and they refused them) and another company got greedy (they refused to accept any kind of payment plan). If you think those other two companies are innocent, especially if you're "friends" of those companies, you're very wrong and totally ill-informed. If they hadn't done what they had done, Maelstrom would still be here (and in a different place, too. I still have the solicitor's documents that prove Maelstrom was moving into a warehouse, if anybody would like to see them).

The problem with standing up on the moral high ground is that your detractors will find it easier to give you a proverbial punch in the nuts. Good luck to them I say they are the ones that have paid for your old company and your new one.

If you wish to talk further in a calm and sensible manner, e-mail me. Otherwise, troll away.

Critic are trolls, you have this internet thing down I see.

Just to clarify:

Mierce Miniatures existed in my head for a couple of years before Maelstrom went under, and in reality in March 2012.

Mierce was not created "out of the ashes" of Maelstrom. Anybody who thinks otherwise is ill-informed.

That's all. Thank you to those that have supported Mierce over the past couple of years, despite the trolls.

Rob, when do you plan on re-imbursing the large amount of wargamers you stole money from who are still waiting for either their product or a refund?

Nobody cares about X other company did this or Y other company did that.

They care that they put money into your bank account and never saw it again. Your new company is making lots of money so why not give it back as your #1 priority. No-one cares about "oh well legally speaking I don't owe them anything", they care that you took their hard-earned money and they never saw it again.

Secondly, I am the the director of Mierce Miniatures, just like I was the director of Maelstrom Games, which died because two other companies decided to make it die and not because I wanted to rip customers off.

Nope. Rich from Wayland has the right of it, and you have the wrong of it and you know it.

Interesting that you're calling everyone trolls.

I personally lost £150 in cash when DWHS went bust several years back (another online warhammer discounter), and the owner called me a troll for posting on forums them.

So, your attacks on posters here are very reminiscent of my own personal experience with someone who knows they're a thief, but is trying to swear blind they aren't.

 scarletsquig wrote:

 RiTides wrote:

 Steve steveson wrote:
I couldn't resist. Just done a BVD check... Seems Meirce is having some problems too... He's a fool for going as I think he might have a few angry people to deal with. From a purely professional point of view I would love to see him, or whatever smuck he sends, trying to deal with that. The man dosn't seem to know the meaning of "going concern".

What problems is Mierce having that you're referring to? Mierce has been pretty wildly successful via Kickstarter, from what I've seen... not trying to brush anything aside, I'm genuinely asking.

Defiance Games were also very successful with Kickstarter. There will never be any shortage of people throwing money at companies even when the entire internet is screaming that it's a bad idea.

Well, CMON came from New Wave Games which was a similar situation, and have proven themselves since. Mierce has fulfilled their orders nicely and the minis I've ordered have all been top notch. It also helps that they are the manufacturers of the products. Even when Maelstrom was unable to fulfill other orders they were still able to send out Banebeasts/Legions.