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Does the Through attrition, Victory special rule apply to imperial knights? As they are not selected through the Escalation rulebook but they are super heavies in standard 40k.... Thoughts?

 The World XEater wrote:
Does the Through attrition, Victory special rule apply to imperial knights? As they are not selected through the Escalation rulebook but they are super heavies in standard 40k.... Thoughts?

I am not 100% but they have their own codex with their own rules.

I am failry certain they are not a Lord of War and as such the Through attrition rule only applies to your Lord of War.

 nutty_nutter wrote:

 The World XEater wrote:
Does the Through attrition, Victory special rule apply to imperial knights? As they are not selected through the Escalation rulebook but they are super heavies in standard 40k.... Thoughts?

I am not 100% but they have their own codex with their own rules.

I am failry certain they are not a Lord of War and as such the Through attrition rule only applies to your Lord of War.

Correct (No i did not see the Codex ">.> )

They are not a Lord of War, therefore the escalation rule covering Lords of War does not apply

Best advice is to wait until tomorrow when the actual codex comes out.
But currently they don't use those rules.

 grendel083 wrote:
Best advice is to wait until tomorrow when the actual codex comes out.
But currently they don't use those rules.

Saw the codex in the flesh, still not a Lord of war

Wouldnt work as a full army if they were, as you can have up to 6 of them which wouldnt fit the LoW slot...

nosferatu1001 wrote:

 grendel083 wrote:
Best advice is to wait until tomorrow when the actual codex comes out.
But currently they don't use those rules.

Saw the codex in the flesh, still not a Lord of war

Wouldnt work as a full army if they were, as you can have up to 6 of them which wouldnt fit the LoW slot...

I didn't think they would be, but thought they might have a rule including things like "through attrition, victory".

nosferatu1001 wrote:

 grendel083 wrote:
Best advice is to wait until tomorrow when the actual codex comes out.
But currently they don't use those rules.

Saw the codex in the flesh, still not a Lord of war

Wouldnt work as a full army if they were, as you can have up to 6 of them which wouldnt fit the LoW slot...

Not that I am doubting you in any way, nor entirely arguing with the general statement you are making...


But.


That up to 6 per army as a primary detachment and therefore not being a Lord of War(besides Lord of War being a separate detachment option from Primaries) Would only be "proof" if they are 6 separate FOC slots. The ability to take multiple independent Super heavies could be a single Lord of War slot where a Super heavy written up to allow such a Single Super Heavy Slot(Like BA Sanguinary Priests).

 Kommissar Kel wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:

 grendel083 wrote:
Best advice is to wait until tomorrow when the actual codex comes out.
But currently they don't use those rules.

Saw the codex in the flesh, still not a Lord of war

Wouldnt work as a full army if they were, as you can have up to 6 of them which wouldnt fit the LoW slot...

Not that I am doubting you in any way, nor entirely arguing with the general statement you are making...


But.


That up to 6 per army as a primary detachment and therefore not being a Lord of War(besides Lord of War being a separate detachment option from Primaries) Would only be "proof" if they are 6 separate FOC slots. The ability to take multiple independent Super heavies could be a single Lord of War slot where a Super heavy written up to allow such a Single Super Heavy Slot(Like BA Sanguinary Priests).

As nosferatu, i would "confirm" it is 1 Elite FOC compulsory with 5 Optionals ;-)

I have the book and no you do not get bonus VPs for stripping hull points as they are not lords of war.

Fair enough. Thankyou Ravenous D! What is the allies matrix like? Any chance chaos can use knights?

No chance at all.

Even though chaos knights ARE mentioned somewhere, no alliances...

 The World XEater wrote:
Fair enough. Thankyou Ravenous D! What is the allies matrix like? Any chance chaos can use knights?

Grey Knights and Eldar are allies of convenience

Desperate allies with Tau and Dark Eldar

Chaos, Daemons, Crons, Orks and Nids Cannot ally with them.

Everyone else can take a knight detachment (not your allies detachment) of 1-3, they are NOT SCORING when taken in this way. They only score if they are the primary.



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nosferatu1001 wrote:
No chance at all.

Not completely true, You can have IG as your primary, daemons as your ally, and then take knights. That's about it.

EDIT: Nevermind, that is not true, you cannot mix stuff unless it can ally together.

 Ravenous D wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:
No chance at all.

Not completely true, You can have IG as your primary, daemons as your ally, and then take knights. That's about it.

If Knights and Chaos can't ally then this won't work.
The levels of alliance apply to ALL parts of the army. It isn't just the relationship between Primary and Ally.
In fact the Allies rules never even mention detachments, it's all about the relationship between ALL forces used.

BRB Levels of Alliance wrote:To represent this, we have several categories of alliances, each of which imposes certain effects on the game. The Allies Matrix shows the levels of potential alliance between each army.

In this section they talk about armies being forces from a codex, rather than your entire force.

So in your example you have 3 armies:
Imperial Guard,
Imperial Knights,
Chaos Daemons.

Note the above quote cares not about detachments. It's the relationship between armies, and two of your armies cannot be in the same force.

Yeah just double checked that after I wrote it. Was about to correct it but you bastards are quick.

 Ravenous D wrote:
Yeah just double checked that after I wrote it. Was about to correct it but you bastards are quick.

Like a robber's dog