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in any way is it possible to paint these
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Space_Marines/Space-Marine-Tanks/LEGION_SICARAN_BATTLE_TANK.html
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Space_Marines/Space_Marine_Aircraft/FIRE_RAPTOR_GUNSHIP.html
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Space_Marines/Space_Marine_Aircraft/STORM_EAGLE.html

and use them in a GK army? or paint them for use for the Inquisition?
maybe i would have to take them as dark angles allies ???




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do the "exorcists" count as a "space marine" chapter ?

I think you might just have to take them as allies.

You'll have to take SM allies to get the fire raptor - GK aren't one of the listed SM armies who can take it.

Probably the same for the storm eagle.

No idea on the sicaran.

The sicaran tank is a pre heresy era vehicle. The grey knights were formed post heresy, so probably wouldn't have access to them. However, I for one would happily play against a gk army featuring pre heresy equipment.

well how do i find out who is a "space marine" chapter and who isnt.
like if im building a GK army and i want to use that...i guess they dont see GK's as space marines lol.
then how can i find out who is and isnt a space marine chapter.

what about the exorcists ?



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well a thing about all that PRE and POST heresy stuff...

everything i read was that the GK's had a bunch of dudes that were asked by the big man himself(the emperor) to jump into the warp and create a "Space marine" chapter and come back and help fight the wars.
now this was as the whole over throw thing was happening, OH and also were they not given all the best of the best state of the art equipment???
so wouldn't they have has access to this equipment

Space Marines by way of who can take these vehicles would be defined as Codex:Space Marines, in the same way Codex: Dark Angels and Blood Angels both have access to them. Infact it is mostly just Grey Knights as far as Marines go who dont get access.

Regardless of chapter tactics if the chapter is using Codex Space Marines it can use the vehicles when codex space marines have access.

so.....what about exorcists ?

i just saw a picture of them in the "codex : space marines"

So aslong as you make your army list using Codex: Space marines they are Codex: Space Marines and have all of the options available to that Codex (Including fire raptors etc from forgeworld).

Forgeworld Chapter Tactics say to pick whichever chapter tactic you like for Exorcists as their origin is unknown. So Codex Space Marine, pick a tactic.

To find out if you can take these vehicles you need to buy the FW book.
I think the Imperial Armour Apocalypse book is the right one. Although it says 'Apocalypse' it also tells you if they can be used in standard armies & what section on the FOC they take up.
If you are playing Escalation, refer to this PDF:
https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.forgeworld.co.uk%2FDownloads%2FProduct%2FPDF%2FL%2Flordsofwar.pdf

Won't help with the fire raptor as it still ONLY has experimental rules (not in a book yet - otherwise they'd have taken them down already - like they do with all the other "experimental" stuff).

So you guys are saying essentially i cannot have a GK army with Exorcists allied to then be able to use things that would be granted to a "codex : space marines" chapter..
like if i in order to use the forgeworld stuff that has rules for "codex : space marines" would i not be able to take exorcists as allies, does that not make sense seeing as they are a "codex : space marine" chapter.


lets just make this simple, if i cant use exorcists in a normal game to field the forgeworld items i listed than say no, if i can then say yes, and if its a no then tell me what you guys think i should do to field these awesome looking models, because i want a reason to buy them/paint them and be able to use them.

im building a GK army but taking an ally to use these models isnt a problem so please let me know.!

If you have a GK army you can ally with an SM army.
The Exorcists, if are mentioned in the SM codex, are a viable choice.
As allies you can & have to take 1 HQ, have to take 1 troops choice, can take the following as optional choices:
1 each of: troops, elites, fast attack & heavy support.
Table is on page 109 of the mini rulebook.
The Sicaran Battle Tank is in the HH2: Massacre book not the IA:A book (my mistake) both of which I have, & in IA:v2e2 which I don't have.
Both the Storm Eagle & Fire Raptor are also in there (IA:v2e2).
This is the book you need.
(http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Imperial_Armour_Books/IMPERIAL_ARMOUR_VOLUME_TWO_SECOND_EDITION.html)


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I am also very tired which doesn't really have a bearing on this but hey-ho.


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Also I reckon that the tank is a HS option & the other 2 are fast attack & can be taken by both GKs & SMs (I say this because in IA:A the GK Thunderhawk is listed under the SM vehicles).

im confused about the post before this.

Not sure what is unclear. If you build an army from the Codex: Space Marines, you may use the models you listed. Simple.

lol i guess no one has read anything iv put down,
im saying im making a GK army....AND..i would like to take a SM Chapter as allies to take these models...IF i can take the exorcists chapter of SM's then id like to know..


all you guys keep saying is "a codex space marine army can take those vehicles" codex this and space marine that.

when all i have been asking is if the exorcists chapter of space marines would validate that in regards to this issue,

like if im playing grey knights can i take exorcists as allies as a "space marine chapter" and be able to field these models...easy issue and you guys are giving me the same answer that isnt the answer to my question..
also...im not building a codex space marine army...as iv stated im building a grey knights army.

bubber is the only person who has given me any insight but im still not certain if the exorcists can be taken as a CSM army

so can they or not ? are they a CSM chapter or not?

GK's + Exorcists to field those models ?

Those three FW models are fething awesome...

 Beaches wrote:
lol i guess no one has read anything iv put down,
im saying im making a GK army....AND..i would like to take a SM Chapter as allies to take these models...IF i can take the exorcists chapter of SM's then id like to know..


all you guys keep saying is "a codex space marine army can take those vehicles" codex this and space marine that.

when all i have been asking is if the exorcists chapter of space marines would validate that in regards to this issue,

like if im playing grey knights can i take exorcists as allies as a "space marine chapter" and be able to field these models...easy issue and you guys are giving me the same answer that isnt the answer to my question..
also...im not building a codex space marine army...as iv stated im building a grey knights army.

bubber is the only person who has given me any insight but im still not certain if the exorcists can be taken as a CSM army

so can they or not ? are they a CSM chapter or not?

GK's + Exorcists to field those models ?

Before you accuse everyone else of not reading what you wrote, go back and read the responses you have been given.

You've also answered your own question, by the way. Exorcists appear on pg.73 of Codex: Space Marines on the page labeled "Unknown Foundings" clearly making them a C:SM chapter. On pg.77 under "Chapter Tactics" is states that chapters without clear origins or unknown foundings may choose any Chapter Tactic that you feel are most appropriate for them. If you plan on using lots of vehicles I would go with The Iron Hands Chapter Tactics.

You the need to read the BRB to see what you can take in the Force Organization Chart for you allies, in this case Codex: Space Marines. Then you need to read Codex: Space Marines to fill out your FOC for your allied detachment. Next, since you want your allied detachment to include Forge World models, you need to consult the Forge World books Imperial Armour: Volume Two for rules on the Sicaran Battle Tank and possibly the Storm Eagle (they may be in that book, if not, they are definitely in Imperial Armour: Aeronautica). The rules for the Fire Raptor are available in a PDF from Forge World. But bear in mind that they are "experimental rules" and are subject to change, and once they do they will be in one of the Imperial Armour books.

Puff JR.
i ment no offence.

but hell dude you just summed up my whole thought process of what i needed answered in 1 go,
so i thank you.
ill now look into buying these models and using them in a GK allied with exorcist army.



do you think i will need to get a rule book for apocalypse as well ??

 Beaches wrote:
Puff JR.
i ment no offence.

but hell dude you just summed up my whole thought process of what i needed answered in 1 go,
so i thank you.
ill now look into buying these models and using them in a GK allied with exorcist army.



do you think i will need to get a rule book for apocalypse as well ??

No. You need Apocalypse or Escalation to field super-heavies, and none of the models you listed as wanting to use are super-heavies.

The Imperial Armour (which is the most current) book I linked in my last response does have both the Storm Eagle and the Sicaran Battle Tank and the Fire Raptor rules can be found in that PDF I linked you.

As an amendment to what I said earlier (& in my PM).

I've just looked at the table of contents in IA:2 2nd edition, the Grey Knights have their own section. This doesn't include the models you want so you'll only be able to take them with your SM allies:


Note that the fire raptor rules are in there.
No idea what the 'Roc' pattern is.

Also note that some readers might get a bit confused your a single part of your post - CSM means 'Chaos Space Marines' while C:SM means Codex: Space Marines.
It got me the first couple of times too! When the text goes yellow, it indicates that the letters are short for something - hover your pointer over them & it comes up with what they stand for.

okay wicked thanks i didnt know that.!!
the hwole time i ment to say c:sm :S lol

also, i dont want to waste money but...if i buy the IA book and the BRB will i have what i need to play normal games and apoc with those models.?
i mean other than my grey knight codex.

Unfortunately you will also need the GW apoc book:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat1080004a&prodId=prod2130068a

£45 direct from them + templates. You can get the book cheaper elsewhere.
You can make the templates yourself.
Stupidly GW now only stock the templates from the last version.
EG the largest blast marker in the new rules is 15" but the old one is only 10". The barrage template works differently too. The hellstorm template is the same I think. The book does have diagrams with dimensions so you can make accurate copies.
Do you have the STD game templates & scatter dice? You'll need these too - sorry.


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plus a tape measure, plenty of dice & terrain.

well for the most part im just getting back into the hobby so i bloody well need just about everything at this point.

im going to hold off on most of this, but im going to buy all the models to get them assembled and painted so they are battle ready.

in the mean time is ther any place i can find the old rule books to read online and brush up on rules and game practices.

so i guess ill be looking at 90 for the BRB 90 for the apoc rule book 30 for my codex 92 dollars for the IA rulebook and
51 dollars for the IA aeronautica.
lol plus dice and measurement. is there a chance that i dont need to buy all this if my local GW or the player i face has this stuff?