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My apologies Herpguy, I mistakenly made the assumption that's what you meant by unreliable, as I understand BS4 to be among the more reliable non-HQ stats out there.

ClockworkZion, I agree with you 100%. They aren't a squadron and therefore shouldn't be treated as such; the only similarity to a squadron DSign is that they arrive at the same time.
Thing is some people feel that "formation" means they have to arrive "in formation" as well.
Which doesn't make sense and follows no rules as written whatsoever. Right?
Edit: Not to mention it specifically says "... all of the units in this formation arrive from reserve by Deep Strike."

I absolutely agree. (Though not entirely sure if this is because this is how I want it to work) I sense some dirty helbrute lists turning up! I'm actually in shock., it's seems GW have recognised a problem AND managed to rectify it with some decent rules. Kinda feels like the first of the four horsemen showing up. I'm tempted with 2 deepstrike formations and 2 cult formations. 8 brutes on the board, 4 units of cultists and a sorcerer at 1500 points. It seems the answer to my very original post has in fact changed.

you would still need 2 regular compulsory troops, but yeah.. brutes are cool now..

Can the formations be used with CD lists? Or are they usable by CSM only? Cause in CD they can give some serious range anti-tank threat. Either the DS brutes/ 3 stock with MM and PF.
And probably the cultists/brute config formation can be great for CD. 2 fearless troops with a shooting configured brute for some object camping. This can have a big footprint to support a screamer-star. You can for example use two of these hel-cult formations, 2 brutes with anti-tank and maybe some CC. What do you guys think?

Yes they can be used in any army that can take CSM allies.

Mega!

take the brute squadron, kit it up for shooting and add the crimson slaughter divination sorcerer and a choppy lord. ghetto cent star.

I broke down and bought the dataslate. The typos scarily common. I don't think they even considered proof reading.


I run Typhus as one of my HQ's along with my Black Mace Lord.

Does that mean that if I run the Helcult, can I turn the Cultists into Plague Zombies?
The rule states that "Any Chaos Cultist units in the same army as Typhus can be nominated as Plague Zombies."

This way I could shield a Helbrute (probably with an Autocannon) as he marches down the board and give myself some board control.

Otherwise, I'll probably just run the Mayhem Pack with Autocannons and my minimal zombie squads that I usually keep in reserve.

 Dr. What wrote:
I broke down and bought the dataslate. The typos scarily common. I don't think they even considered proof reading.

After years of typos in my government produced manuals and now in my several hundred dollar text books I'm okay with them in my $6 iPad dataslate.

I broke down and bought it too because it's only $5. If it was $17 like some of the other ones it wouldn't happen.

My favorite typo is "Aura of Dark Majesty".

Anyways, characters can't join a vehicle squadron.

damnit! found it, nevermind. thanks for the heads up there, it's like in the first or 2nd sentence in the IC rules.

 herpguy wrote:
I broke down and bought it too because it's only $5. If it was $17 like some of the other ones it wouldn't happen.

My favorite typo is "Aura of Dark Majesty".

Anyways, characters can't join a vehicle squadron.

That typo only exists in the ePub version oddly.

 Dr. What wrote:
I broke down and bought the dataslate. The typos scarily common. I don't think they even considered proof reading.


I run Typhus as one of my HQ's along with my Black Mace Lord.

Does that mean that if I run the Helcult, can I turn the Cultists into Plague Zombies?
The rule states that "Any Chaos Cultist units in the same army as Typhus can be nominated as Plague Zombies."

This way I could shield a Helbrute (probably with an Autocannon) as he marches down the board and give myself some board control.

Otherwise, I'll probably just run the Mayhem Pack with Autocannons and my minimal zombie squads that I usually keep in reserve.

I'm interested in this as well. Does anyone know for certain if this is an option?

it should work fine, typhus's entry says 'in same army' not 'in same detachment.' makes the cultists SnP as well as fearless/FNP, so be aware they're not running anywhere which you may or may not care about with this formation.

I think that Typhus would still make even allied cultists zombies.
Anyways if you are already taking Typhus there is no point in bringing the Helbrute formation in the first place.