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2014/03/10 17:06:17
Subject: Tau Target Lock shot timing
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Hello, I have a question: Is it ever specified whether the shots taken by a model with a target lock (or the free "split fire" Shadowsun has) are resolved simultaneously with the rest of the squad's shooting, or if you resolve one then the other? So would it go: "designate target lock target, designate non-target lock target, resolve both" or "designate target lock target, resolve target lock target, designate non-target lock target, resolve non-target lock target"?
Just curious because I had the very TFG thought of using a fusion battlesuit with a target lock to pop a transport, then allocating the other battlesuit's firepower to the newly disembarked squad.
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2014/03/10 17:10:34
Subject: Tau Target Lock shot timing
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Dakka Veteran
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Standard order; pick all targets, make all rolls to hit, make all rolls to wound/penetrate, etc.. So, no, you can't do that.
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2014/03/10 17:12:14
Subject: Tau Target Lock shot timing
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Loyal Necron Lychguard
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However, if it were possible to blow up a transport and shoot the guys inside, why would it be a TFG move?
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2014/03/10 17:24:46
Subject: Tau Target Lock shot timing
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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 MasterSlowPoke wrote:However, if it were possible to blow up a transport and shoot the guys inside, why would it be a TFG move?
It was more the fact I was wondering if the rule allowed it than the actual action.
Of course that doesn't stop me from moving Shadowsun out of coherence immediately before popping the transport, then spraying down the squad inside anyway 
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2014/03/10 18:44:47
Subject: Tau Target Lock shot timing
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Shrieking Traitor Sentinel Pilot
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All shooting within a single unit happens simultaneously, unless specified otherwise (such as networked markerlights).
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2014/03/10 18:47:45
Subject: Tau Target Lock shot timing
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Legendary Master of the Chapter
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maceria wrote:All shooting within a single unit happens simultaneously, unless specified otherwise (such as networked markerlights).
Speaking of which. (though i think it would ever occur with that one model from forgeworld) would you have to resolve a grounding test against a MC with a NML and if failed would allow the rest of the unit to fire full bs?
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2014/03/10 18:48:08
 Unit1126PLL wrote: Scott-S6 wrote:And yet another thread is hijacked for Unit to ask for the same advice, receive the same answers and make the same excuses.
Oh my god I'm becoming martel.
Send help!
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2014/03/10 18:59:51
Subject: Tau Target Lock shot timing
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Lord Commander in a Plush Chair
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 Desubot wrote:maceria wrote:All shooting within a single unit happens simultaneously, unless specified otherwise (such as networked markerlights).
Speaking of which. (though i think it would ever occur with that one model from forgeworld)
would you have to resolve a grounding test against a MC with a NML and if failed would allow the rest of the unit to fire full bs?
Although 1 Shooting attack is fully resolved, the unit's shooting attacks have not.
Grounded tests happen after the unit's shooting attacks.
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2014/03/10 19:13:15
Subject: Tau Target Lock shot timing
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Dakka Veteran
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If a Flying Monstrous Creature that is Swooping suffers one or more hits from a unit's Shooting attack, it must take a Grounded test immediately after that Shooting attack has been resolved.
The Grounding test is made immediately after THAT shooting attack is RESOLVED. Since a networked markerlight is RESOLVED before the rest of the shooting, I don't see how it doesn't qualify.
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2014/03/10 19:16:51
Subject: Tau Target Lock shot timing
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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You take grounding tests if you have been hit one or more times by the unit's shooting attack. Although NMLs are resolved before the rest of the unit's shooting, it is still part of the unit's shooting attack. Otherwise, you would have to re-nominate the unit to fire, and you do not have permission to do so.
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2014/03/10 19:18:31
Subject: Tau Target Lock shot timing
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Even though the markerlight goes first, the unit still has not finished resolving its shooting attack, therefore the ML would not ground a FMC then be able to shoot it on the ground.
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2014/03/10 19:44:08
Subject: Tau Target Lock shot timing
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Pyrian wrote:If a Flying Monstrous Creature that is Swooping suffers one or more hits from a unit's Shooting attack, it must take a Grounded test immediately after that Shooting attack has been resolved.
The Grounding test is made immediately after THAT shooting attack is RESOLVED. Since a networked markerlight is RESOLVED before the rest of the shooting, I don't see how it doesn't qualify.
No, it isn't. It's taken after the unit has resolved it's shooting.
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2014/03/10 20:08:11
Subject: Tau Target Lock shot timing
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Dakka Veteran
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nosferatu1001 wrote:Pyrian wrote:If a Flying Monstrous Creature that is Swooping suffers one or more hits from a unit's Shooting attack, it must take a Grounded test immediately after that Shooting attack has been resolved.
The Grounding test is made immediately after THAT shooting attack is RESOLVED. Since a networked markerlight is RESOLVED before the rest of the shooting, I don't see how it doesn't qualify.
No, it isn't.
Yes it is: "Once the shots from the networked markerlights are resolved, the unit can then fire their other weapons." Underline added.
It's taken "...immediately after that Shooting attack is resolved". Underline added. The unit has explicitly resolved the shooting attack which hit the FMC. You must now take a test - no permission to wait.
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2014/03/10 20:13:37
Subject: Tau Target Lock shot timing
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The Hive Mind
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So you can show proof that the NML is a separate shooting attack?
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2014/03/10 20:53:23
Subject: Tau Target Lock shot timing
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Pyrian wrote:nosferatu1001 wrote:Pyrian wrote:If a Flying Monstrous Creature that is Swooping suffers one or more hits from a unit's Shooting attack, it must take a Grounded test immediately after that Shooting attack has been resolved.
The Grounding test is made immediately after THAT shooting attack is RESOLVED. Since a networked markerlight is RESOLVED before the rest of the shooting, I don't see how it doesn't qualify.
No, it isn't.
Yes it is: "Once the shots from the networked markerlights are resolved, the unit can then fire their other weapons." Underline added.
It's taken "...immediately after that Shooting attack is resolved". Underline added. The unit has explicitly resolved the shooting attack which hit the FMC. You must now take a test - no permission to wait.
That shooting attack referencing the shooting attack made by the unit. You have resolved part of that attack, not all of it
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2014/03/10 20:59:58
Subject: Tau Target Lock shot timing
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Pyrian wrote:nosferatu1001 wrote:Pyrian wrote:If a Flying Monstrous Creature that is Swooping suffers one or more hits from a unit's Shooting attack, it must take a Grounded test immediately after that Shooting attack has been resolved.
The Grounding test is made immediately after THAT shooting attack is RESOLVED. Since a networked markerlight is RESOLVED before the rest of the shooting, I don't see how it doesn't qualify.
No, it isn't.
Yes it is: "Once the shots from the networked markerlights are resolved, the unit can then fire their other weapons." Underline added.
It's taken "...immediately after that Shooting attack is resolved". Underline added. The unit has explicitly resolved the shooting attack which hit the FMC. You must now take a test - no permission to wait.
Grounding tests say you take the test after the Unit's attacks are resolved. If you still have models waiting to fire, have you resolved all the units shooting attacks ?
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