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Hey all,


Not looking to invest much, as I just invested in a 2200 point Dark Eldar Army. However, I just traded for a decent space wolf force and I need advice on how competitive I Can be, and what I can build as far as a list goes with the following:

10 Grey Hunter, 2 plasma
10 Grey Hunter, 2 plasma
10 Grey Hunter, 2 melta
5 Termies
5 Longfangs w/ ML
5 Longfangs w/ LC
2 razerbacl
2 rhino
3 Drop pods
1 Land Raider

Is this a good start? What should I invest in next? More Grey Hunters, and maybe some Thunderwolf Calvary. Is the best HQ a wolflord on calvary?

Runes priests are almost a necessity for Space Wolves with how good they are at the moment.

You don't need thunder wolves, iirc they take ID quite hard.

Njal is a good hq as a pumped up rune priest. Can't really go wrong with wolf lords of various builds also.

How would you guys transport the Rune priest? I'm assuming JoTWW on it, in terminator armor, can it drop pod in with say, Grey Hunters?

I like to Saga of the hunter outflank with some grey hunters.

Can never go wrong with drop pods though.

Cool, and would you take Terminator armor or power armor on the priest? Also, I was thinking of just taking Njal, I like the model, and he comes in termie armor. Can a model in terminator armor go in a drop pod with grey hunters?

Yes IIRC, its rhino's they can't. Though your missing out on the free special weapon for grey hunters which why i prefer outflank.

He is 2 wounds i believe so term armor could bring some much needed survivability, i prefer the term model anyway so that's what i went with.

 Elgrun wrote:
Yes IIRC, its rhino's they can't. Though your missing out on the free special weapon for grey hunters which why i prefer outflank.

He is 2 wounds i believe so term armor could bring some much needed survivability, i prefer the term model anyway so that's what i went with.

Really? I think the finecast termie model is goofy looking, if I'm looking at the right one on the GW site.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440279a&prodId=prod1160027a

Well i like it, each to there own. Power armour should be fine if you have plenty of Look out sirs though.

 Elgrun wrote:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440279a&prodId=prod1160027a

Well i like it, each to there own. Power armour should be fine if you have plenty of Look out sirs though.

I love that model... I thought you meant the rune priest in power armor lol...

RP are quite good sitting back with your longfangs casting prescience. Thunderwolves can be good also they are toughness 5 iirc so ID isn't to big an issue. Njal is terrible way overcosted for what you can get for much cheaper he does have some cool abilities but not worth the points imo. Overall you have the basics i would recommend some games to get a feel for what flavour you like.

 cuss wrote:
RP are quite good sitting back with your longfangs casting prescience. Thunderwolves can be good also they are toughness 5 iirc so ID isn't to big an issue. Njal is terrible way overcosted for what you can get for much cheaper he does have some cool abilities but not worth the points imo. Overall you have the basics i would recommend some games to get a feel for what flavour you like.

Alright, thanks. You couldn't recommend any purchases for what I've got? I also have a vindicator, I forgot to mention... Can I use Njal's model for a RP? I really like that model...

Njal is expensive no argument but his ability to wreck vehicles isn't to be snuffed at he always hits the side torso and late game he can be a game changer.

A third unit of long fangs would be good, basic runepriests are a solid choice as said Above.

Just avoid blood claws in the current meta they are worthless.

The 3 GH squads in pods are a safe bet, a good core for the list.

I'd throw the termies in the Land Raider, and if it's a Crusader/Redeemer that's also a fairly good place to put the Rune Priest or a CC-tooled Wolf Lord. Run that up alongside the vindicator; combined with the pods you should be playing very aggressively with this list.

As for what I'd add, TWC are nice, give you another option to stick a Thunderwolf Lord in as well (These guys are badass with Saga of the Bear), and they also fit the aggressive playstyle nicely. Some more WG/GH in a pod might be a nice place to put a Rune Priest as it gives him a nice bodyguard and you can line up JOTWW from a pod very nicely. Another Vindicator would make the mechanised component more effective, and then you could even run the GH in Rhinos for a change.

 Paradigm wrote:
The 3 GH squads in pods are a safe bet, a good core for the list.

I'd throw the termies in the Land Raider, and if it's a Crusader/Redeemer that's also a fairly good place to put the Rune Priest or a CC-tooled Wolf Lord. Run that up alongside the vindicator; combined with the pods you should be playing very aggressively with this list.

As for what I'd add, TWC are nice, give you another option to stick a Thunderwolf Lord in as well (These guys are badass with Saga of the Bear), and they also fit the aggressive playstyle nicely. Some more WG/GH in a pod might be a nice place to put a Rune Priest as it gives him a nice bodyguard and you can line up JOTWW from a pod very nicely. Another Vindicator would make the mechanised component more effective, and then you could even run the GH in Rhinos for a change.

Thanks for this, do razerbacks have a place in this list?

If you want to fit the Razorbacks in, take them as DTs for the Long Fangs to add some more heavy weapons to them and potentially a redeployment option should you need them. I'd only use them alongside 3+ Rhinos and other tanks, though, otherwise they're too fragile and less important.

Something like (roughly):
Rune priest+termies in LRR/LRC

3x GH in Rhinos

Vindi

Vindi

LF+Razorback.

Could work nicely.

 Paradigm wrote:
If you want to fit the Razorbacks in, take them as DTs for the Long Fangs to add some more heavy weapons to them and potentially a redeployment option should you need them. I'd only use them alongside 3+ Rhinos and other tanks, though, otherwise they're too fragile and less important.

Something like (roughly):
Rune priest+termies in LRR/LRC

3x GH in Rhinos

Vindi

Vindi

LF+Razorback.

Could work nicely.

Don't you want your long fangs shooting at full ballistic?

Yeah, the LF don't start in the Razorback, you just keep it nearby so they can hop in and go if an assault unit gets to close or a LOS gets blocked. Other than that, it just sits there and provides cover and another heavy weapon.

You could even do the trick where you start with the Razor in front of them, reverse it back during the movement phase, fire the LF and the flat-out to block them again from enemy shots. You sacrifice the heavy weapon for that turn but the point I'm trying to make is that even when they're not on board, a Razor can still work nicely with Long Fangs.

 Paradigm wrote:
Yeah, the LF don't start in the Razorback, you just keep it nearby so they can hop in and go if an assault unit gets to close or a LOS gets blocked. Other than that, it just sits there and provides cover and another heavy weapon.

You could even do the trick where you start with the Razor in front of them, reverse it back during the movement phase, fire the LF and the flat-out to block them again from enemy shots. You sacrifice the heavy weapon for that turn but the point I'm trying to make is that even when they're not on board, a Razor can still work nicely with Long Fangs.

Good to know. Are they worth the price, taken solely as an assault cannon?

I don't know that I'd take them as a priority, but if I had a few points left over and they fitted with the rest of the list, it's no bad idea to take them.

I do the DT for long fangs thing, and generally go with las/plas. Works well for me. I get some long range anti-tank, and if anything gets close I get to hit it with plasma. Meanwhile I can also use it to block LOS to my long fangs from enemies, and forces the opponent to make some interesting choices.

 Elgrun wrote:
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Well i like it, each to there own. Power armour should be fine if you have plenty of Look out sirs though.

Funfact; The bones in the picture behind the SW hero models are chicken bones. At least thats what my old white dwarf from 09 says.

For the OP, you can't really go wrong with a rune priest, they can take divination or they can grab some good witchfire in the form of living lightning and jaws of the world wolf.

Wolf lords on wolf mounts are good but end up behind a huge fire magnet, i've seen them run with TWC models but I prefer a pack of 15 fenrisian wolves since they are cheaper.

I prefer kitting my wolf lords on a TW mount with a Power fist and lightning claw, runic armor (2+ armor), belt of russ (4++) and saga of the bear. Nearly 300 points but he can take on anyone.

I would highly suggest you convert the razorbacks to have the lascannon / TL plasmagun weapon since the plasma gun adds some antiinfantry to your razorback.

 ivangterrace wrote:

 Elgrun wrote:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440279a&prodId=prod1160027a

Well i like it, each to there own. Power armour should be fine if you have plenty of Look out sirs though.

Funfact; The bones in the picture behind the SW hero models are chicken bones. At least thats what my old white dwarf from 09 says.

Surely that's Citadel FineChicken (tm)? There's no way GW would use something that they couldn't copyright.

Jaws is massively over-rated when you have the sheer silliness of Divination access, not to mention that SW's can actually spam the stuff thanks to their 2-for-1 HQ slots...

Imagine a unit of Plasma Cannon Longfangs under the influence of Perfect Timing... Or how about Bike-mounted Priest casting Prescience on TWC? Or else your Grey Hunter unit camping on an objective suddenly gaining a 4++?
The only single truly 'crap' spell is Scrier's Gaze, which can still be highly useful in the right list. (ie: Drop Pod spam) And thanks to Prescience, you're never actually stuck being forced to keep it when it's of little to no value to your army.

There's a damn good reason that Divination is so hated right now!

With a competitive SW's army, you can get 3 Runepriests for 6 rolls on the Div table, plus still have the option of adding in a Wolf Lord for running about with TWC.
A little heavy on the HQ side of things, but also a really, really good counter to the current meta hotness of Tzeentch Daemons, JetSeercouncil & Eltau/Taudar. You should be able to cover most of the table with your massive deny bubbles and thus limit the amount of opposing Divination/Biomancy buffing by roughly 50%.

I think JOTWW still has merit, especially in a Pod list. Being able to aplha-strike and have a good chance of killing a Riptide/Tervigon/Overlord/Warboss is too good for me to pass up. Div is great, but I'd take one lot of codex powers first.