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As the title says.

Cast your vote and your ideas below.

Very limited list of options for what is a very open-ended question.

Warhammer 40k is the story of the last days of Mankind. We are all doomed.

Star Child?

The clock is stuck at two minutes to midnight. No one wins when the narrative stalls.

 cvtuttle wrote:
Warhammer 40k is the story of the last days of Mankind. We are all doomed.

I agree, and it is one of the reasons I find the background so intriguing.

The story ends in tragedy.

I believe chaos will beseige Terra once again. The emperor will finally die, but be reborn and push chaos back. Meanwhile the Tyranid main force breaks into the galaxy lead by the missing C'tan. The dragon of mars will break free and quicken the awakening of the necrons. Old ones might make an appearance.

Crazy gak will go down and everything dies.

a fragile question which needs a fragile answer.....

my guess is no one will lose and no one will win. Like a common cold the only thing that will happen is things will gradually become viable to become extinct and then like a force of nature we escalate into something else to block the present threat. Like all things the word SURVIVE comes into play and there is always a way to even though it will seem very bleak at the worst of times.

Chaos cannot really win, they have to get past cadia and then fight through a good few planets to get to Terra.

What's more is the fact they then have to face the full force of the solar system, Terra, mars, Saturns moon of Titan (grey knights) and the vast orbital stations on Terra's moon.

Back in the heresy the imperium didn't have a dedicated anti daemon force to call upon. Now they do, aswell as certain chapters like the exorcists.

There are a lot of chapters in the way also and each has their own style of fighting.

Abbadon will lead the chaos forces from the eye of terror. Huron Blackheart couldn't care less, all he wants is power and wealth not revenge.

However it doesn't matter as the tyranids will kill everyone. Eldar are dying, imperium is dying, orks getting stronger, chaos are getting ready for last war (wouldn't surprise me if they gave up if they won, their revenge is sated so now they don't have a purpose) tau are getting stronger, necrons are still in a weak state. Daemons will win, then cease to exist as they need emotions to fuel them. Tyranids have no emotion.


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Chaos cannot really win, they have to get past cadia and then fight through a good few planets to get to Terra.

What's more is the fact they then have to face the full force of the solar system, Terra, mars, Saturns moon of Titan (grey knights) and the vast orbital stations on Terra's moon.

Back in the heresy the imperium didn't have a dedicated anti daemon force to call upon. Now they do, aswell as certain chapters like the exorcists.

There are a lot of chapters in the way also and each has their own style of fighting.

Abbadon will lead the chaos forces from the eye of terror. Huron Blackheart couldn't care less, all he wants is power and wealth not revenge.

However it doesn't matter as the tyranids will kill everyone. Eldar are dying, imperium is dying, orks getting stronger, chaos are getting ready for last war (wouldn't surprise me if they gave up if they won, their revenge is sated so now they don't have a purpose) tau are getting stronger, necrons are still in a weak state. Daemons will win, then cease to exist as they need emotions to fuel them. Tyranids have no emotion.

One hive fleet already got destroyed. Nids won't "win" the 40k setting as they are essentially mindless. Besides, by the same token that Daemons would cease to exist, so too would Tyranids as they'd be out of Biomass to consume, which they need to survive as a species.

I think eldar have the best chance if there beliefs are correct then they will be alright. I think once the emperor finally dies the imperium would split but I think he will reborn and fight the demons and force chaos to turn around and fight back into the eye of terror. I would think the warp would close in the scenario but maybe not. Eventually the tryanids would run into a bunch of necron/ork worlds and stall. I think necrons would fall and the orks hearing of the growing fights and massive waagh and chase the tryanids to the hive mind. The orks would love that and orks would tie up the hive mind and they would stay there. Eldar/dark eldar would be left and if they died off during all this then the god of rebirth would be born through the eldar spirit stones and further destroy chaos with the emperor. Also all dead eldar would be reborn. The eldar would also have the web way to roam around in and re establish the eldar empire and kill off the tau (or form the duo of taudar and rape everyone).

khaoschaos wrote:
Chaos cannot really win, they have to get past cadia and then fight through a good few planets to get to Terra.

What's more is the fact they then have to face the full force of the solar system, Terra, mars, Saturns moon of Titan (grey knights) and the vast orbital stations on Terra's moon.

Back in the heresy the imperium didn't have a dedicated anti daemon force to call upon. Now they do, aswell as certain chapters like the exorcists.

There are a lot of chapters in the way also and each has their own style of fighting.

Abbadon will lead the chaos forces from the eye of terror. Huron Blackheart couldn't care less, all he wants is power and wealth not revenge.

However it doesn't matter as the tyranids will kill everyone. Eldar are dying, imperium is dying, orks getting stronger, chaos are getting ready for last war (wouldn't surprise me if they gave up if they won, their revenge is sated so now they don't have a purpose) tau are getting stronger, necrons are still in a weak state. Daemons will win, then cease to exist as they need emotions to fuel them. Tyranids have no emotion.


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Chaos cannot really win, they have to get past cadia and then fight through a good few planets to get to Terra.

What's more is the fact they then have to face the full force of the solar system, Terra, mars, Saturns moon of Titan (grey knights) and the vast orbital stations on Terra's moon.

Back in the heresy the imperium didn't have a dedicated anti daemon force to call upon. Now they do, aswell as certain chapters like the exorcists.

There are a lot of chapters in the way also and each has their own style of fighting.

Abbadon will lead the chaos forces from the eye of terror. Huron Blackheart couldn't care less, all he wants is power and wealth not revenge.

However it doesn't matter as the tyranids will kill everyone. Eldar are dying, imperium is dying, orks getting stronger, chaos are getting ready for last war (wouldn't surprise me if they gave up if they won, their revenge is sated so now they don't have a purpose) tau are getting stronger, necrons are still in a weak state. Daemons will win, then cease to exist as they need emotions to fuel them. Tyranids have no emotion.

But Chaos already took Cadia from my recollection.. Also, Huron probably has more against the Imperium of Man than Abaddon. He has such a benign hatred for anything to do with the higher ups of Terra it kept him alive through his near death experience of having half his body shot off by a Multi-Melta, sold his soul to the Dark Gods of Chaos and was given a life to which he rampages across systems hijacking and growing his Red Corsairs army past the size of Solar Fleets.

Technically, Chaos has already spilled into the Imperium and Abaddon is heading to Terra. This is a point of confusion because their are several Imperial players who are butthurt over losing the 13th Black Crusade who will say otherwise.

Actually, as you may notice with all the fluff of 6th Ed, that world-wide campaign is no longer "current". The setting of 6th Ed is at the very beginning of the 13th Black Crusade, not where the campaign ended.

So Cadia is still fine, St. Josmane's Hope is still fine. Things are still fine. Just fine.

Yeah, it's lame, but that's where we're at.

Just because it hasn't happened yet dosent mean it won't happen.

GW has already proven they are unwilling to progress the story line. The actual answer is no one will win.

Eldar will outright annhilate chaos with the Imperium. Nids don't stand a chance as I think the Tau will hammer the hive mind. Necrons might put up a fight, but they have no way to go on unlike the Orks. In the end it comes down to the Imperium, Eldar and Tau who may or may not kill each other.

... there aren't enough Tau in the galaxy to take on a Hive Fleet. The way Tyranids fight is the "worst case scenario" for every Tau combat doctrine. You can't "guerrilla war" a Hive Fleet. You can't "lightning raid" a Hive Fleet. You can't "hit and run" a Hive Fleet.

Once it makes planetfall, you're down to holing up in as defensible a position as you can manage, shelling the crap out of the bugs, and treating it like a siege (which it is), which is not the way the Tau prosecute a war.

Hmmm... Might just have to say exterminatus then.

The emperor will choose to die and will let it be known.

There will be an outcry by all humanity when he dies.

His body disappears.

A large ancient sword with a lightening shaped "weld" or mark in the middle is found on the throne with the heraldry of the Dark Angels as well as two pistols.

Etched in the plasteel of the throne are the words:
"All is forgiven, seek your fate, I will be watching."

The emperor is reborn in the warp.

The Astronomicon will explode out further and stronger than ever.

The eye of terror reduces to half it's size and "new" planetoids stripped of all demonic influence spill out of the maelstrom.

All the primarchs receive their own communication from the emperor including the "fallen" ones.
They are changed forever.
Some are roused from the places they were or the stasis they were in.
They all immediately start acting on what they communed with the emperor.

All the Grey Knights now "glow" when they use their powers and demons cannot look at them, reports all over the imperium of glowing "angels" destroying monsters in the dark.

A multitude of miracles reported within the Sisters of Battle and many granted visions of foretelling of the greatest of battles.

Humanity has found a new resolve and a new god of the warp. The lesser god's days are numbered.

Thus starts the "The War of the Pheonix".

Humans are doomed. They fight, hard, but in the end the cost will get too high, there death will not be quick but slow, fighting every last light year until the end.

Its such a grim dark universe even light is tinges by the dark, hope is but a dream and the golden age has long failed.

Cadia didn't fall, chaos got on the planet and pushed the cadians back, but were then cut off themselves by the Imperial Navy. It ended in a big stalemate as a fair chunk of abbadon's forces left seeing no glory in a large stalemate while getting pounded by the imeprial navy from space.

Now 6th ed has winded the clock back to just before the crusade so that doesn't matter and probably will never matter because I doubt we'll see a global campaign again. (Plus the EoT global campaign had a huge amount of cheating going on. combined with Chaos's epic fail in Storm of Chaos in WHFB GW will probably never do one again)

As it stands the actual traitor legions are little threat to the imperium. Unable to defeat the Imperial Navy convincingly and lacking the manpower to really conquer the string of worlds to get to terra there's not much they can do beyond raid the Segmentum Obscurus. The real threat of chaos is the subversion.

Ya , Chaos is doomed. And there are to many humans to be wiped out.

 EmilCrane wrote:
Cadia didn't fall, chaos got on the planet and pushed the cadians back, but were then cut off themselves by the Imperial Navy. It ended in a big stalemate as a fair chunk of abbadon's forces left seeing no glory in a large stalemate while getting pounded by the imeprial navy from space.

Now 6th ed has winded the clock back to just before the crusade so that doesn't matter and probably will never matter because I doubt we'll see a global campaign again. (Plus the EoT global campaign had a huge amount of cheating going on. combined with Chaos's epic fail in Storm of Chaos in WHFB GW will probably never do one again)

As it stands the actual traitor legions are little threat to the imperium. Unable to defeat the Imperial Navy convincingly and lacking the manpower to really conquer the string of worlds to get to terra there's not much they can do beyond raid the Segmentum Obscurus. The real threat of chaos is the subversion.

1) that is not correct, the Eye of Terror campaign ended with Chaos holding the space of the Cadian system and occupying vast swathes of Segmentum Obscuras. The confusion came from some guys who made up a different ending (the one you said) and put on Wh40K wiki and after a massive edit war the article was locked with the faked result. If you want to see the actual campaign results there's a thread around here somewhere.
2) There was never any shard of evidence to point towards Chaos cheating to win, that is an excuse used by the Imperial players so they don't have to admit they lost. And while there was false reports, they came from both sides and there wasn't enough to actually tamper the result.

For those who have selective, or erroneous, memories, here's how the campaign went:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/392010.page

 AirborneTank wrote:
As the title says.

Cast your vote and your ideas below.

The real answer is neither will happen because the timeline is forever frozen at this point in time so that we have all these battles to fight.

Beyond that the Imperial "victory" scenario I see doesn't involve the Emperor magically coming back to life. It involves somehow crushing chaos forces, but continuing to be the living embodiment of the chaos gods as the Imperium continues its slide towards its inevitable demise (Nurgle), continues its militant efforts against any and all non-humans (khorne),and the rich and influential will continue their decadant lifestyles (slaanesh) as agents for change from without (Tyranids, orks, eldar, tau) will continue to hammer on the Imperium (Tzeentch). They will have won, but not really because this is the dark future not the happy clappy one where the good neo-nazis win and get to make the galaxy their own happy human-only paradise.

Skriker