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I like the Latin (or High Gothic ) names. The only thing I would prefer is a subheading of some sort, like the old Codex: Angels of Death had.

Codex: Astra Militarum
"detailing the armies of the Imperial Guard"

 Sir Arun wrote:
Love it? Don't mind? Hate it?

Personally, I hate it. IMPERIAL GUARD is something iconic, dammit. I liked fielding an IMPERIAL GUARD army. Come April it's gonna be an Astra Militarum army? Come on, GW. They're also getting rid of the Stormtroopers name because of its similarity to Star Wars. GW spineless.

"Yeah I'm writing my 1500 point Astra Militarum armylist"

"Your what?"

This. I hate it and cannot see the point of the name change.

I hate it, and my Imperial Guard will always be Imperial Guard.

Why?
- Because the change is a pointless and arbitrary move to protect IP that I sincerely doubt is under threat.
- Because it makes no sense for IG to be referred to in High Gothic while the Space Marines are referred to in Low Gothic. The other way round, I could take it.
- Because it just sounds stupid.

Well could give me a reason as to why my guard allied with tau, they Frakking hated their new name..

The name change goes from something iconic and old-earth sounding that everyone has a handle on, to some generic cod Latin for the sake of copyright protection. It's all about muh moats and walls, muh IP. Truly the suits are in charge trying to make a show of defending IP rather than making good games.

This won't make any difference to the third party bits market. You can't stop people making human arms and heads that happen to be compatible with your miniatures.

As an Imperial Guard player, I don't mind.

We're Imperial Guard dammit, not some latin club.

 Sir Arun wrote:


They're also getting rid of the Stormtroopers name because of its similarity to Star Wars. GW spineless.

Source? I doubt that was the case.

 Truth118 wrote:
The imperial guard are still referred to as the imperial guard in all other fluff, so I'm not entirely sure what the weird name of this new guard codex will mean.

Well, you don't expect them to spoil a future release before pre-orders are up, do you? They'll probably wait until the codex drops and then every mention of the IG in fluff/BL novels will be replaced with "Astra Militarum" from that day on.

 Sir Arun wrote:
What I dont get is, if GW wanted to go down this route, why didnt they release Codex: Adeptus Astartes instead of Codex: Space Marines?

At least that sounds semi decent and makes sense.

Codex Space Marines was released before the decision to make the main Imperial codices High Gothic.

C: SM 6th ed : September 2013

C: Adepta Sororitas : October 2013

C: Astra Militarum : March 2014

When they remake Space Marines for 7th, they will most likely use the High Gothic name.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Sir Arun wrote:
What I dont get is, if GW wanted to go down this route, why didnt they release Codex: Adeptus Astartes instead of Codex: Space Marines?

At least that sounds semi decent and makes sense.

Codex Space Marines was released before the decision to make the main Imperial codices High Gothic.

C: SM 6th ed : September 2013

C: Adepta Sororitas : October 2013

C: Astra Militarum : March 2014

When they remake Space Marines for 7th, they will most likely use the High Gothic name.

I prefer Adeptus Astartes over Space Marines, actually.

 Psienesis wrote:

 Sir Arun wrote:
Do they? I thought Robert Heinlein's Starship Troopers (of which there is also more than 1 movie) have a trademark on Space Marines as well. And werent there Space Marines in Cameron's Alien 2?

The Aliens soldiers are Colonial Marines, not Space Marines.

They also weren't called "Space Marines" in Starship Troopers. They were the "Mobile Infantry". This is, however, the very first appearance of "power armor" in science fiction.

There were other works, however, where Heinlein called several units "Space Marines.

There's a list of the use of the term Space Marine on wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Marine#Books_and_Short_Stories


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 thenoobbomb wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Sir Arun wrote:
What I dont get is, if GW wanted to go down this route, why didnt they release Codex: Adeptus Astartes instead of Codex: Space Marines?

At least that sounds semi decent and makes sense.

Codex Space Marines was released before the decision to make the main Imperial codices High Gothic.

C: SM 6th ed : September 2013

C: Adepta Sororitas : October 2013

C: Astra Militarum : March 2014

When they remake Space Marines for 7th, they will most likely use the High Gothic name.

I prefer Adeptus Astartes over Space Marines, actually.

Yeh, Space Marine is too generic. It's a Sci-Fi Archtype after all.

Probably why they changed IG too.
Background wise, it never made much sense to me why the IG were called IG. The Imperial Guard, historically, was meant to be an elite detachment of soldiers. They are not meant to be cannon fodder.

From wiki:

An imperial guard or palace guard is a special group of troops (or a member thereof) of an empire, typically closely associated directly with the Emperor or Empress. Usually these troops embody a more elite status than other imperial forces, including the regular armed forces, and maintain special rights, privileges and traditions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_Guard

 Kilkrazy wrote:

Technically the Imperial Guard have been called the Imperial Guard only since their name was changed from the Imperial Army back in the late 80s.

Seems we have missed that train. Still using Imperiale Armee......

Dont like it. My IG is still Imperial Guard. Its simply too much in the fluff itself. Let Astartes keep their fancy title and let us good old footslogging Imperial GUARD!

But hey...who cares? Really. So its now Astra Militarum, some will call it AM, some IG...meaning is still same. So, I hate it and I dont mind

edit: What would gak me off is change of fluff. Making IG/ AM into something else. Which, I hope, isnt this case. Yeah, GW?

They are renaming it what now? Dear lord preserve us

Don't really mind - what is a bit odd is that they called the most recent codex Imperial Knights instead of a faux Latin version?

I have more of a problem with the new truck...............and if the new Codex is just Cadian regiments with different names instead of lots of "Chapter Tactics".......

 Mr Morden wrote:
Don't really mind - what is a bit odd is that they called the most recent codex Imperial Knights instead of a faux Latin version?

I have more of a problem with the new truck...............and if the new Codex is just Cadian regiments with different names instead of lots of "Chapter Tactics".......

Probably because knights aren't a "main" faction. No point in giving a fancy High Gothic name to a sideshow.

 thenoobbomb wrote:


I prefer Adeptus Astartes over Space Marines, actually.

So do I, actually. I can accept it much more easily since it's as old as Rogue Trader, and also because "Space Marines" make them sound like a children's toy, much like "Space Wolves" sounds embarassingly bad compared even to something like Luna Wolves - or "Space Sharks" compared to Carcharodons.

I don't like AM, but I'll accept it if it is indeed used merely as the title for the book that deals with the Imperial Guard (still called that by name).

I think it's cool that they are finally coming up with unique names and I'm not overly worried that the name Imperial guard will suddenly disapear. Just like with the sisters of battle the codex will say Astra militarum since it's the official high gothic name and inside the book the army will probably be refered to as the imperial guard since it's the name used by most folks in the galaxy. So while GW changes the name on the boxes and books I find it very hard to believe that the imperial guard name will just disapear from the fluff.

Does this mean we have to change the little glowy IG to AM?

On topic: I don't mind it all that much. It's going to take some getting used to to keep saying the new name but I really don't mind. On a side note (again) I hope we get some plastic Commisars with the new release. I want to start IG or AM or whatever, but I hate metal models, so I cant use anything from the elites section or Commisars.

I don't mind it since I'm sure when the design team was brainstorming names there were worse ones, but to me they will always be the "IG"

I don't mind Adeptus Astartes, because Space Marines does sound a bit childish. However, Imperial Guard has always been a fine name and I think Astra Militarum is a stupiditus namus maximus.

When someone not in to sci-fi wargaming asks me what I collect, I'd much rather say "I have an Imperial Guard army", for that reason I think it's a bad change.

i voted i don't mind, but i think it's unnecessary. Imperial Guard is a decent name, it's been in use for 30 years, it works.

I've played Guard for years, but I don't really don't mind calling them something different.

A rose by any other name, and all that.

I feel a bit saddened this change is made due to lawsuits and IP protection, clearly this was not made in the intent to better the game.

I will miss the name Imperial Guard becuase that's what I grow up with. I know it will not change the game in anyway but the memory attached to it will be lost.

 Iron_Captain wrote:
They should have changed it to Codex: Verus Ferrus Testiculus.

I agree. I am agreeing with you as hard as I can.

As a player using their French translations, I've had to cope with the newer translation team changing names "just because" . Began with the tau codex where it was very minor, the marines one didn't change much but the Eldar one was an awful mess where perfectly fine (but not straightforward translations) of aspect warriors were changed to goofy sounding names. Then they did it to the tyranids, turning Deathleaper into the silent death, which is a woman's beer name around here, changing Genestealers because eh, English names suck (while keeping vehicles names in English and turning the names which were translated back to English)


Short version, I'm not happy

Im still not convinced of the fact that astra militarum is the new name for the imperial guard. After seeing the damocles gulf expansion advertising the imperial guard, surely this close to the AM/TM release they would have amended the name there?8
Although the name doesnt bother me (even though i have been calling them IG for 24 years) it would be a shame to lose this iconic name. Hopefully it is just a new wing of the imperial army forming.

 Annihilator236 wrote:
Im still not convinced of the fact that astra militarum is the new name for the imperial guard. After seeing the damocles gulf expansion advertising the imperial guard, surely this close to the AM/TM release they would have amended the name there?8

This is GW we're talking about. They're not going to admit there's a new codex coming out until 2 weeks Saturday, so they will be referring to them as IG until that point. It's beyond stupid, but that's how they roll. You could walk into a GW with a printed pic of the leaked cover and models and they'd tell you it's a fake.

 Annihilator236 wrote:
Im still not convinced of the fact that astra militarum is the new name for the imperial guard. After seeing the damocles gulf expansion advertising the imperial guard, surely this close to the AM/TM release they would have amended the name there?8
Although the name doesnt bother me (even though i have been calling them IG for 24 years) it would be a shame to lose this iconic name. Hopefully it is just a new wing of the imperial army forming.

http://theshellcase.co.uk/2014/03/11/leaked-imperial-guard-codex-cover/

Does that convince you a bit more?