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This is an idea I have been toying around with. Vect and Coteaz are there for that 4+ rerollable sieze. This, combined with the Baron's +1 to deploy first, should allow me to nab first turn most of my games and allow my council to get their buffs up. Here it goes

Eldar Primary Detachment x2

HQ
Farseer- Eldar Jetbike, Runes of Warding, Runes of Witnessing, Shard of Anaris, Singing Spear- 185 points.
Farseer- Eldar Jetbike, Runes of Warding, Runes of Witnessing, Singing Spear- 145 points.
Farseer- Eldar Jetbike, Runes of Witnessing, Singing Spear- 135 points.
Warlock Council- 8x Warlock- 8x Eldar Jetbike, 8x Singing Spear- 440 points

TROOPS
Dire Avengers- 5x Dire Avenger- Wave Serpent- Twin Linked Scatter Lasers, Shuriken Cannon, Holofields, Ghostwalk Matrix- 220 points.
Windrider Jetbike Squadron- 3x Guardian Jetbike- 51 points.
Windrider Jetbike Squadron- 3x Guardian Jetbike- 51 points.
Windrider Jetbike Squadron- 3x Guardian Jetbike- 51 points.

Dark Eldar Allied Detachment x2

HQ
Asdrubael Vect- 240 points.
Baron Sathonyx- 105 points.

TROOPS
Kabalite Warriors- 5x Kabalite Warrior- Blaster, Venom- Grisly Trophies, Nightshield, Splinter Cannon- 140 points.
Wyches- 5x Wych- Haywire Grenades, Raider- Grisly Trophies, Nightshield, Disintegrator- 135 points.

Inquisitorial Detachment

HQ
Inquisitor Coteaz- 100 points.

Total
1998 points.

Baron will ride with the Haywire Wyches, and Coteaz will have to fly solo on this one. C&C Welcome.

In my opinion you have a very powerful deathstar but some very weak support units and any skilled player can mitigate a deathstar while they for your troops. to fix this you would need a more balanced list.

For example you have no flyer defense bar a single wave serpent, I know you are going to say that the Seerstar isn't threatened by most flyers and I would agree with you, but that seerstar also doesn't score and can't capture the relic. Your Jetbikes are left with those, and Jetbikes are easy pray for a Heldrake or Nightscythe, leaving you with no way to capture objectives. While it won't be as bad against FMC's as your seerstar is likely to cause a grounding test and so can the Serpent that is still only 2/3 chance to ground a single FMC and if you want to use your bikers they are then exposed to return fire.

In my opinion you should drop one of the Farseers and all but 3 of the spears on the Warlocks as well as one Runes of Warding and both Runes of witnessing (You have grisly trophies). That frees up 180 ish points. You should then drop either Corteaz or Vect, you are using neither to their full potensial and paying over 300pts to have a better chance of going first isn't worth it. I would suggest dropping Vect as you already have a hard hitting melee unit and with the Spare poins you could get Corteaz a QuadGun or some PlasmTors. You have a 50% chance of winning the roll of, then with Corteaz 1/3 of Seizing and more importanty changing the enemies chance into 1/36. Dropping Vect frees up another 140pts. Then the few un-needed extras such as Ghost Walk Matrix and the Shard Seers Spear gives us 15pts for a grand total of 225 pts to spare.

With this you would have a few options, a unit of 3 War Walkers all with Bright Lances is an option or if you drop the Blaster you an get yourself a Naked Wraithknight. Or you could Buy an Aegis Defence Line with a Quad Gun and a Few Plasma Cannon Servitors to go with Corteaz or Even get yourself a Crimson Hunter for AA that your sorely lack. For 200pts you can get yourself another DAVU Serpent or two units of Naked Warp Spiders which would are reasonable AA as well as Light AT. Any of these options could work, which would you think would suit your meta best?

Alex.

Fundamental misunderstanding to the Seer Council I think. 9/10 you want to go second, because you auto win with second turn. Instead of investing a ton of points to ensure you get first turn, you should invest points to ensure you survive first turn. At double Force Org you can take two Bastions. That should provide you a nice deployment castle to buff up with.

I do see your point with the lack of AA in this list. I will argue though that 12 guided S9 Spears is not to be shrugged off. Even if I face a bakery, the Jetbikes are faster and more manuverable than most fliers, and should be easy to keep out of LoS. Worst case scenerio, if I lose most of my troops, I can voltron split the council to contest 4 objectives. Runes of warding are there for late game when the DE vehicles will probably be blown up.

 anonymou5 wrote:
Fundamental misunderstanding to the Seer Council I think. 9/10 you want to go second, because you auto win with second turn. Instead of investing a ton of points to ensure you get first turn, you should invest points to ensure you survive first turn. At double Force Org you can take two Bastions. That should provide you a nice deployment castle to buff up with.

Pretty sure first turn is prefered. If you go second you will not have any powers up for the first round of shooting and run the risk of being shot off the board.

No, if everything is equal; second turn is better. Seer Council going second is almost an automatic win. Because you can go Voltron and contest all the objectives. Most Armies do not have the ability to shoot you off the board on T1, doubly so if you take advantage of dual force org to make yourself a giant Bastion wall.

There are exceptions, of course; but second turn is better. I just won a GT with the Beaststar (which to be fair is a more durable unit than the Seer Council on T1), and I went second every game. It's not even fair.

Relying on LOS blocking terrain is a bad tactic in general to keep your bikers alive, heck, most flyers can simply land right next to the bikers a shoot them in the face. A Hedrake can fly over you, Vector Strike you AND flame you. I don't think you are understanding the most crucial part of the Seer Council is that is should be totally expendable, it is not an army, it won't win your games. The Council is one massive destraction unit, keeping the enemy penned in untl turn 6 when the Jetbikes capture the objectives, JetBikes win the games, the Council is just there to make sure they make it until turn 6. You should consider my earlier post on AA because those 11 Guided singing spears vs a Night scythe is pretty disappointing. 3 hits = 2 pens/glances, but then you just spent your 900 ish pt unit shooting into something they likely won't kill which is considerably cheaper and also mean you aren't assaulting anything.

In a game of cat and mouse between Jetbikes and Nigh Scythes 4/5 times the cat wins.

*EDIT* I also agree with the above, most of the time you want to go second otherwise those Jetbikes will be shot to bits.

Well, guess its back to the old drawing board then.

I also just noticed this "Baron will ride with the Haywire Wyches, and Coteaz will have to fly solo on this one. C&C Welcome."

The Baron goes with the Council man, you need his hit and run, grenades, and to a lesser extent stealth. The deathstar doesn't work without him.

be fair man, using the context its quite obvious he meant Vect. The Baron can't even ride in the raider I don't think.

 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
be fair man, using the context its quite obvious he meant Vect. The Baron can't even ride in the raider I don't think.

Ah yeah, I'm an idiot. Pay no attention here =)

Was on my phone, scrolling through to see the update and noticed that. Small screen makes for poor comprehension..