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Can Meks in units of Burnas and Lootaz take equipment like the HQ? Mega Armor, KFF, Etc? Because I'm imagining what units of Lootas and maxxed out Meks with SAG's would look like

What's the new FOC look like, before I fly to the UK with my own Choppa?

Chosen Praetorian wrote:
Do boarding planks really give you +2" on the charge when you get out of an open topped vehicle with a plank or was that just bull poop?

+2 on the charge aslong as you disembarked that turn.


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Dez wrote:Can Meks in units of Burnas and Lootaz take equipment like the HQ? Mega Armor, KFF, Etc? Because I'm imagining what units of Lootas and maxxed out Meks with SAG's would look like

Nope sorry, Kill saw, KMB, Rokkit, Kombi weapons as its choices (and oilers)

ciaflayed1 wrote:What's the new FOC look like, before I fly to the UK with my own Choppa?

3 HQ, 9 Troop, 3 Heavy, 3 Fast, 3 Elite. Minimum is 1 HQ 3 TROOP.

This is OPTIONAL instead of the standard FOC, you can still use the core books one.

How did bikes get less durable? Is there no 4+ cover from exhaust cloud anymore?

 Billagio wrote:
How did bikes get less durable? Is there no 4+ cover from exhaust cloud anymore?

Precisely. They get +1 cover if they turbo boost now, otherwise no improved cover at all.

What the feth GW

What do kill saws do? Have looters deff guns or killkannons on battle wagons changed?

With the looted wagon out, and the feeling this is about half of the actual codex with the rest being DLC to come later I may not bother.

Still collecting the models as I like them, well some of them, but not sure I like the way this is going.

 Melcavuk wrote:

ciaflayed1 wrote:What's the new FOC look like, before I fly to the UK with my own Choppa?

3 HQ, 9 Troop, 3 Heavy, 3 Fast, 3 Elite. Minimum is 1 HQ 3 TROOP.

This is OPTIONAL instead of the standard FOC, you can still use the core books one.

So, we can basically have 3 HQ and 3 Troops or I missed something?

Stickbomb chucka upgrade on the vehicles seems pretty useless. From what I can see only the weirdboy and painboy, along with grots infantrywise dont have stikkbombs already. Why pay for that upgrade.

Also bikers dont have stikkbombs, whats up with that?

I'm still going to reserve judgement until I've seen the full book. The thread consensus with the Astra Militarum Codex was that it was going to be a massive disappointment on par with Tyranids but look at how wrong that turned out.

 Melcavuk wrote:

 Billagio wrote:
How did bikes get less durable? Is there no 4+ cover from exhaust cloud anymore?

Precisely. They get +1 cover if they turbo boost now, otherwise no improved cover at all.

well... they get +1 for turbo boost, and a 4+ for jink... so thats 3+ cover now instead of 4++ if I am reading it right


gotta say im shocked that shoota boys went up in cost...

are stikkbombs still frag AND krak grenades through? if they are I would count that as "good"

 monkeypuzzle wrote:
What do kill saws do? Have looters deff guns or killkannons on battle wagons changed?

No stat changes to any of those weapons.

Kill kannons half the old price on the battle wagon.

Kill saw is str x 2, ap2, unwieldy armourbane specialist weapon.


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 easysauce wrote:

 Melcavuk wrote:

 Billagio wrote:
How did bikes get less durable? Is there no 4+ cover from exhaust cloud anymore?

Precisely. They get +1 cover if they turbo boost now, otherwise no improved cover at all.

well... they get +1 for turbo boost, and a 4+ for jink... so thats 3+ cover now instead of 4++ if I am reading it right


gotta say im shocked that shoota boys went up in cost...

are stikkbombs still frag AND krak grenades through? if they are I would count that as "good"

Stikkbomb entry says "See 40K rulebook"

 Billagio wrote:
What the feth GW

That is really somewhat better. 3+ cover now with 16% fewer hits from shooting. I am fine with that when you include a point drop.

 PhillyT wrote:

 Billagio wrote:
What the feth GW

That is really somewhat better. 3+ cover now with 16% fewer hits from shooting. I am fine with that when you include a point drop.

That is a really good point. Thanks for that!

Instead of having d6+12" movement in the movement phase stormboyz are now 12" movement and can run 2d6 but take dangerious terrain? I call that a massive nerf as running causes you to lose 14% of your models and reduced your potential assault range.

GW nerfing already bad units and nerfed zagstruk. Please tell me I'm missing something on this.

Do lootas have an option for the "beamy deff gun" anti tank upgrade?

But you have to turboboost easy for 3++?
Might not be wanted/viable in some cases?

what is mad dok grotsnik like now

Vankraken wrote:
Instead of having d6+12" movement in the movement phase stormboyz are now 12" movement and can run 2d6 but take dangerious terrain? I call that a massive nerf as running causes you to lose 14% of your models and reduced your potential assault range.

GW nerfing already bad units and nerfed zagstruk. Please tell me I'm missing something on this.

You die alot less often from your packs though, in the past whenever you moved or fell back a 1 killed a guy, now its only if you run, you still get your 6+ armour. Yes they are moving mildly less, but they kill themselves significantly less.

Vankraken wrote:
Instead of having d6+12" movement in the movement phase stormboyz are now 12" movement and can run 2d6 but take dangerious terrain? I call that a massive nerf as running causes you to lose 14% of your models and reduced your potential assault range.

GW nerfing already bad units and nerfed zagstruk. Please tell me I'm missing something on this.

Theyre cheaper and can have bigger squads now though, right?

Dragonzord wrote:

Vankraken wrote:
Instead of having d6+12" movement in the movement phase stormboyz are now 12" movement and can run 2d6 but take dangerious terrain? I call that a massive nerf as running causes you to lose 14% of your models and reduced your potential assault range.

GW nerfing already bad units and nerfed zagstruk. Please tell me I'm missing something on this.

Theyre cheaper and can have bigger squads now though, right?

yup. 30 points more than the old 20 man squad to get a 30 man squad now.

Here are some things I'm wondering about, anyone know if they've been answered.

Killa Kans
-Can they have 2 shooty weapons?

Shokk Attack Gun
-Is the chart the same? How many can you have in an army? 2 Like before or more?

Tank Bustas
-Do they have bomb squigs?

Deff Koptas
-Are they in the codex? They are not on sale on GWs website.

anything interesting in how wierdboyz generate warp tolkens? what levels can they buy up to?

 pretre wrote:

 PhillyT wrote:

 Billagio wrote:
What the feth GW

That is really somewhat better. 3+ cover now with 16% fewer hits from shooting. I am fine with that when you include a point drop.

That is a really good point. Thanks for that!

Hmm, yeah I suppose thats ok. I guess ill have to be turboboosting around everwhere.

Aside from KFF, is there any way of getting an invulnerable?

So nobody has asked yet, what are the Ork specific tactical objectives? I presume they're in the book as well as the new cards?

big thanks to melcavuk for all the info


the 5++ is confirmed to grant it to the units within 6" which is a big buff,

cheaper bikers with a 3+ cover instead of 4+, cheaper rokkit boys...

shockingly boyz stayed the same/have to pay 1pt for shootas...
now that they have a 5++... honestly... I can put a looot of cheap t4 5++ wounds on the table, 6 pts for that on a model with 3 attacks base is pretty decent, not like spamming mobs of boys wasnt already kicking butt...

I dont remember seeing this question: What does Waaagh! do now?

Mel said earlier 5++ was Model only?