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Thanks >w<
Now time to be getting back to the Minotaurs xD
So I can like. Play a game.>

How many points do you have painted so far? If you've got a squad or two done, it might be worth seeing if the store ever runs Kill Team games, as that'll allow you to get involved sooner.

Hmm, I have one tac squad done, heavy weapons not yet done but will be soon. Ivanus Enkomi and moloc on the way. That could probably do a kill team, how many points are in kill teams anyways?

Kill Team is generally 200 points, so a Tac Squad with upgrades or even using them as counts-as Sternguard would at least let you get a game in.

Ten model kill team list:

Sternguard Squad
Scouts with snipers

Should leave you about 10 points to play with (I think), so slap something nice on someone. Take combis or something.

Does it get stuff done? Kinda. Is it a super cool looking army? Hell yeah.

Moloc is done, mostly. Not to the same quality as the tau guy i think, I didn't want to spend 'that' long on him, as I really want to play xD
My next project featuring chaos virtually 'EVERYTHING' will be being done to the best of my ability.

Not to say I'm deliberately rushing these but there will be a quality diff ofc.



My only question now is do I put in the cloak... because I like how the back looks without it, and moloc's cloak is particularly awkward to place >.<
I probably will go through with finishing the cloak but ugh, Half tempted to save it for a conversion I have in mind!

Okay I confess xD my idea stems because I watched the sequal to 300. It wasn't that great but the most inspiring thing was having a female lead a force and this has inspired me. Using a tartaros style terminator armor it wouldn't be too far fetched to believe a female could occupy one of those.

Given the influence of the high lords of terra as well I would imagine it wouldn't be unpractical for one of those, namely a female one with an interest in the grit and grime of live war as well as some psyker capabilities to back it up to 'pay' herself a place in the elite Minotaur army.

Okay so simply, I was looking at making my Librarian female in terminator xD


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Also deliberately left him one shade lighter then the average marines and such who take an extra wash to get that more brazen goldy look as I imagine he would be kind of like the 'shining tip' of his force.

Looks plenty good to me, and the base is fantastic.

As for the cloak, if you have a better idea for it, then use it on that (you can always give it to Moloc afterwards if the idea doesn't pan out). Capes in general are awesome, though, wherever they go.

Interesting idea on the female HLOT, far better handled than a lot of attempts to get women into a SM force. However, have you considered using her as an Inquisitor (rules-wise) instead? You can still get the armour and psyker powers, but I think the stats would be more in-line with what the character would have.

 Paradigm wrote:
Looks plenty good to me, and the base is fantastic.

As for the cloak, if you have a better idea for it, then use it on that (you can always give it to Moloc afterwards if the idea doesn't pan out). Capes in general are awesome, though, wherever they go.

Interesting idea on the female HLOT, far better handled than a lot of attempts to get women into a SM force. However, have you considered using her as an Inquisitor (rules-wise) instead? You can still get the armour and psyker powers, but I think the stats would be more in-line with what the character would have.

I have!
But if you look at the break down of factions and forces of authority within the Imperium of man you'll see that to the left of the big table there is the high lords of terra and in the far right which separates is the inquisition. I assume by that, they don't really see eye to eye as a lot of the classifieds noted around are those two controlling elements keeping secrets from one another i.e the existence of the minotaurs as a whole, where they went, why they have returned and moloc in general is a well guarded secret that even the inquisition can't obtain information on.

Reference to this: Page 11 of the Dark Millennium supplement provided with the 7th Ed rule book.
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Thats not to say I couldn't do a counts as and honestly I have always thought about doing counts-as grey knights allies because I would then have an army fit for fighting all manners of marine, normal and chaos alike. That said I don't know if inquisitors get terminator armor?
It's not beyond the high lords of terra's ability to 'obtain' Inquisitorial equipment and field it as their own given how much they are able to get away with only the emperor himself would really be able to draw the line for them.

I think I might have to look at the grey knights rules I know they are a little out dated now, but the more I think about it, and the more I remember how powerful daemon summoning has become the more interested I am to have her act as a counts as small inquisitor force however
instead of inquisitor they would be a part of the high lords of terra's private army and with the ability to include guardsmen within a grey knight detachment makes it even more appealing as nothing fills gaps between the high point cost expensive elitest gear of the minotaurs then a shamble of disposable guardsmen or well, astra militarum w/e they are called now.



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The way I see the inquisition and the lords of terra are like that of olden times in which inquisition was a factor then.

The high lords are kings and the inquisition are well, inquisition. Forced to coincide alongside due to their faith however always watching their backs.

Because what could to one person be seen as a 'master stroke' could easily be turned or warped into heresy by the over stimulated imagination of another.


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Erk I totally missed the bracketed (rules wise) you included in your post XD ignore my debate about inquisition not fitting etc.

If you're open to counts-as and allies, then there's a few options open to you.

The Inquisition codex (not GK, the Ebook one from Black Library) gives you 1-2 HQ slots (Inquisitors, counts as HLOT) and 0-3 Elite slots for Henchman Warbands (could be HLOT guards/private army ect). It also doesn't take up an allied slot so you could still bring Imperial Guard as allies for mass troops.

The GK codex gives you access to all of that, but you need Coteaz to take more than 1 Henchman warband, and you get Grey Knights as Battle Brothers. This gives you some super-killy stuff to add in, as well as Psychic shenanigans and other toys like Dreadknights. If you still go with the High Lords route, then you could almost get away with a squad of Paladins (Super-terminators with 2 wounds and extra badassery) as counts-as Custodes, as it's possible that the HL would have some kind of bodyguard assigned to them if they braved a battlefield mission.

Inquisitors (counts-as Lords) can get terminator armour, all manner of weapons and other gear, and psychic powers, so they would fill the same role/model as you have in mind, and with various options for tag--along forces.

Is that inquisition book accepted to use in GW's and stuff? I can't find it xD

The Inquisition book is as official as it gets. Here you go:
http://www.blacklibrary.com/games-workshop-digital-editions/Codex-Inquisition-eBook-_Edition.html

It's also worth noting that, barring the FOC change, three relics and a set of Warlord traits, the content is identical to the Inq section of the GK book, so if you want to run GK at all, get that instead for only a few quid more.

Ah this is really difficult. On the one hand, the terminator option would be easier to get a nice GW accepted miniature for. A legitimate inquisitor would be far more difficult and require some chop shopping on my part (which I don't mind)

Rules wise the inquisition supplement doesn't offer much in the way of usage, I would be forced to ally grey knights or IG either way to get paladins or IG troops.

I do like the idea of having Paladin's as guard for her. I don't think someone of that intense value would be relying on a henchmen unit to ensure their safety.

While I want her to be psychic inquisitors aren't via the GK book, so it would have to be used as a grand master or something, a Grey knight librarian even to get the same level of mastery I want but that would throw her stats off horribly making her the likes of WS6, BS 5, S4, T4, W4 etc.

Inquisitors can be Psyker level 1 in the GK book, or the Inquisition book. It's not in the base profile, but it can be bought as an upgrade.

958pts or 973pts High lord detachment.
(Made of 2 detachments, the 2nd is optional but without it I'm unsure where the 1st would go
and how it would engage. Assaulting straight from a storm talon would be devastating while
the plasma syphon would greatly reduce risk of tau & eldar related casualties in turns to follow.
You're looking at Rad grenades to reduce the opponents toughness by -1. 4 attacks per
Paladin at str4 force weapons. Thats a 3's to kill other marines, 2's to kill anything else.
Not to mention, master crafted as well.

Null rod is an interesting option as well I thought.)

(1) High Lord of Terra Nyra Cirksena -129pts
- Ordo Malleus Inquisitor
- Terminator Armor
- Psycannon
- Empyrean Brain Mines
- Psyker Mastery lvl1
- 3x Servo Skulls

(2) Lord Attendant Slyvin'e -89pts or 104pts
- Ordo Xenos Inquisitor or Ordo Hereticus Inquisitor
- 3x Servo Skulls
- Ulumeathi Plasma Syphon or Null Rod
- Psyker Mastery lvl1
- Rad Grenades

(1) High Lords Strike Squad
Grey Knight Strike Squad -100pts

(2) High Lords Strike Squad
Grey Knight Strike Squad -100pts

(1) High Lords Personal Guard
4x Grey Knight Paladin -335pts
4x Master crafted
Apothecary
4x Force Falchions

(2) Stormraven Gunship [Transport] -205pts
Lascannons

Looks decent enough, the only thing I'd change is the Paladin loadout. If you have the points, relentless psycannons are too good to pass up and if you throw in the TDA 'inquisitor' you're putting out 12 S7 AP4 Rending shots at 24", not including the SB shots, so that's a lot of Dakka. It might be worth giving one a Demon Hammer too, just for some more AT.

Looking at this setup, I'd put the Pallies with the TDA inq in the Raven and go for an assault, while the Strike Squads DS for objectives and/or fire support for the Minotaurs. The servo-skulls will give them precision DS, which is great.

I'm not sure why you need to Detachments, as far as I'm aware you can take multiple Combined Arms Detachments from the same faction (Imperial), so as you've got a HQ and 2 troops, you've got a legal CAD here.

(1) High Lord of Terra Nyra Cirksena -129pts
- Ordo Malleus Inquisitor
- Terminator Armor
- Psycannon
- Empyrean Brain Mines
- Psyker Mastery lvl1
- 3x Servo Skulls

(2) Lord Attendant Slyvin'e -89pts
- Ordo Xenos Inquisitor
- 3x Servo Skulls
- Ulumeathi Plasma Syphon
- Psyker Mastery lvl1
- Rad Grenades

(1) High Lords Strike Squad
Grey Knight Strike Squad -110pts
Psycannon

(2) High Lords Strike Squad
Grey Knight Strike Squad -110pts
Psycannon

(1) High Lords Personal Guard
4x Grey Knight Paladin -375pts
4x Master crafted
Apothecary
4x Force Falchions
2x Psycannon's

(2) Stormraven Gunship [Transport] -205pts
Lascannons

The attendant benefits somewhat by staying with the high lord, because the rad grenades are needed to make the falchions more effective against enemy marines (reducing the toughness)

As far as I can tell they can all fit on the stormraven

8 slots to the 4 paladins, 2 slots the high lord, 1 slot the attendant
(I'm not 100% on how Servo's work, but for only 9pts each I figured go nuts.)

The psycannon's increase the points cost of this to around 1018pts.
Which means that the total cost of this army will hit around about 3000pts with 2000pts of Minotaurs and 1000 of high lords. ofc this can be chopped around for lower point games.

I think its quite interesting because, I like that there is a low model count, and its very heavily melee based which is something you don't see often but with the high armor used it will be
quite fun.

OH! The high lord comes with the Daemon hammer, the terminator armor upgrade by default gives it to her.

Looks great now, not really anything I'd change. And from experience, Paladins are incredibly tough unless they come up against a monstrous creature, so avoid Demon Princes and Hive Tyrants and they should be kicking ass for a fair few turns in CC and at range. They seem expensive, but I rarely regret taking them (I take 10, the squad runs over 700 points, and they're just awesome).

Also, on a slight tangent, the silver GKs will look awesome on the tabletop with the bronze Minos!

If I recall correctly, the Servo Skulls give a re-roll to any friendly blast or DS within 6" of them, and also prevent infiltration/scouting within 12"(I think), so against scout heavy armies they're awesome.

Unsure how I will paint them though, seeing as they aren't really going to be grey knights xD but I'm not sure what color scheme the high lords of terra actually use.

Well, if it's completely up in the air, I think black armour with gold and red detailing would work. Suitably grimdark, contrasts with the Minos, noticeably not GK, and would look really, really cool.

That could work but I would probably need to change the color scheme I have in line for the honor guard. I was going to have them black armor red secondary to make them seem almost death-guard-ish.


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Okay from what the interwebs has told me apparently it depends on what the high lord of terra is a part of as there
are habbit patterns determining to those decided places.

The ones i've found the habbits of are

Adeptus Custodes: Black
Adeptus Mechanicus: White
Adeptus Arbites: Black
Adeptus Astronomica: Blue
Adeptus Astra Telepathica: Green
Administratum: Black/grey/white
High Lords of Terra: Red

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Places high lords hail from-

The Master of the Administratum
The Inquisitorial Representative[1]
The Ecclesiarch of the Adeptus Ministorum
The Fabricator-General of the Adeptus Mechanicus
The Grand Provost Marshal of the Adeptus Arbites
The Paternoval Envoy of the Navigators
The Master of the Astronomican
The Grand Master of the Officio Assassinorum
The Master of the Adeptus Astra Telepathica


The remaining three positions are most likely to be filled from among the following powerful leaders:

Lord Commander of Segmentum Solar
Lord Commander Militant of the Imperial Guard
Cardinal(s) of the Holy Synod of Terra
The Abbess of the Adepta Sororitas
Captain-General of the Adeptus Custodes
The Chancellor of the Estate Imperium
The Speaker for the Chartist Captains
Lord High Admiral of the Imperial Navy


Seeing as there are 3 places to which the high lords are unknown I suppose I will pick from one of those to have my custom high lord be a part of.
With that in mind the only ones I have colors for areeee...

Adeptus Custodes: Black

Son of a xD

Okay, finally come up with my idea!

I'm going to have her be a descendant of Constantin Valdor the head of the adeptus custodes. She won't be an actual lord of terra herself. Because of her station within the custodes I can't find any viable reason why she would leave the emperors side
(considering that is their job to protect him and monitor visitors etc)

She however will be very high up there an influence figure due to her relation the current Captain-General (High lord of Terra). However she will be harboring her own agenda!
Her retinue of paladins, will be Custodians of course, those specifically most loyal to her.

The plan for the miniatures. Now, Nyra Valdor herself will be in Tartaros pattern Terminator armor with more majestic shoulder armor and leggings, namely I will make use of the pre-herasy emperors children terminator legs, and the actual Legion praetor shoulders and arms.
Probably a modified dark eldar female head, or a custom resin one for her head. The armor I plan to paint mostly completely gold, something far brighter then the Minotaurs so there will be a big difference between her and those.

For her Custodians I'm torn between having them be red, or having them be gold as well. Looking at the art work they should be gold the same as her. In equally as majestic terminator armor, perhaps I will use Legion armor, and scribor miniatures helmes, the long pointed ones with the red hair coming out the top (nailed it). to match the artwork. Though if anyone can direct me to more majestic looking terminator pads please let me know xD.

Her personal agenda though, which I think could be quite cool, and slightly heretical would be her desire.... To see the emperor removed from the golden thrown. To bring about the 'end'. Either allowing him to ascend or ultimately unleashing chaos into terra, either way the end would follow once and for all. Which binds in the Minotaurs quite well, their mysterious re-appearance as well as their skilled ability to combat other marines makes them the perfect tool to overpower the emperors guards and finally see him moved. Because, such a goal would not be very easy to achieve, bringing experts in dispatching loyalist marines would just make sense. Of course a plan like that to unfold would never just happen it would take decades of preparation. And at current Id like to assume the Minotaurs no nothing about it.



In other news! Dododooo


Done at last. So the heavy weapons will be complete soon. I went with a red shoulder to make them stand out a little more, red shoulder, golden Minotaur symbol.
Also means I can actually work on Moloc's honor guard, Hnghhh I have been waiting so long to start these!





SIDE NOTE!: Just occurred to me, if anyone is selling a paint clogged or otherwise defunct Marneus Calgar in terminator armor I would love to purchase the chest piece >.<

PC looks great.

If you're open to non-GW models then these are pretty much made to be Custodes:
http://www.zealotminiatures.co.uk/shop.php#!/~/product/category=8326656&id=36254822

Of course, if your LGS is a GW, then they're not usable. Anywhere else, though, they'd be fine, and run you little more than a box of Paladins and extras.

Unfortunately my LGS is a GW, but, that said the helmets might be usable.I wonder if I might be able to find some of those in bits.

If you can't find them, then maybe look for High Elf White Lions helmets; they have a similar tall and plumed look. I can't find any on Ebay, but a Bits seller will probably have them.

Also, take a look at this blog (I've filtered it for just the OP). Awesome Custodes with only GW/FW bits for the most part.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/467384.page?userfilterid=55327

Thats pretty awesome.
I might be able to use some of those terminator ideas.
I'm thinking of making use of the praetorian terminator bits from FW, I imagine her personal guard to be wearing pre-heresy goodies, only the finest for such important body guard.

I will keep that to hand though I think It will come in pretty useful.

Your Minotaurs look great. Ive tried to start this army several times but got stumped. I used a metallic color with 2 coats of wash to get the dull brass going. Looks great on infantry models. My problem was the pooling on tanks. I read you use a similar technique, have you tried it yet on tanks? Have you solved the pooling problem? Or had one? Just curious. Thanks.

 40kFSU wrote:
Your Minotaurs look great. Ive tried to start this army several times but got stumped. I used a metallic color with 2 coats of wash to get the dull brass going. Looks great on infantry models. My problem was the pooling on tanks. I read you use a similar technique, have you tried it yet on tanks? Have you solved the pooling problem? Or had one? Just curious. Thanks.

I've yet to try on tanks, but I will have to soon for the Spartan assault tank.

I've got a few ideas in mind to tackle the pooling. The first is to air brush the ink over the silver for a more even distribution. I think this should fix the pooling, but gravity is a bitch and doing it on the whole model in one go will still cause pooling.
My solution to this really is going to have to be doing the tank in bits. Get as many flat pieces as I can and do them separately. So the sides, tops, etc of the LR will all go through that inking step separately. It will likely work for brushes as well
A big flat edged tank brush just dragging it across will do. Keeping in mind that the resting place of your brush will be darker then the start have it so edges of the tank that will be higher are the starting point of the brush stroke so it will, by pooling
and the travel of the paint result in a self-made gradient.

At least thats my plan. With inking required on such a large scale I really can't see any alternative other then to reduce it to much smaller pieces where pooling can be avoided. I may actually be making a start on this soon enough as well though if I can't get it to work
there is an alternative. And thats to paint it like Ivanus's personal Stormraven as shown here: http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130801171258/warhammer40k/images/1/1b/Fortuna_Mori.jpg Or something similar in which the amount of bronze needed is simply reduced
drastically.

Hmm. That could work, though if it's Ivanus' personal Stormraven, would it be black just because he's a Chaplain? I get the feeling a chapter stock 'Raven would be all bronze...

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Hmm. That could work, though if it's Ivanus' personal Stormraven, would it be black just because he's a Chaplain? I get the feeling a chapter stock 'Raven would be all bronze...

It would be black because he is a chaplain.
In place of that I would use the red though, which is seemingly the secondary color, at least for my minotaurs. That said I would have to do some bronze still.


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I would also make use of weathering to get around the pooling as well.

The red would work. Of course, so could black if every vehicle follows the same scheme - Black Templars have black vehicles, and likely black for their chaplain's personal vehicles. Just pick them out with more pretty things.

I can't articulate well at 1Am apparently...