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Most of these are a money-grab, and are usually done badly.
If GW sat back with all of these ideas in front of them, and got proper feedback as they worked through them, some would have happened, and others, hopefully not.
Which begs the question, what aborted abominations are there hanging around GW HQ, waiting for a new champion?

Dataslates are White Dwarf articles that hit the internet.
Fliers, superheavies and Knights are the apoc-that-could, but shouldn't have.
Fortifications, good ideas and add flavour, but just got silly.
Allies are good, but Battle Brothers is one step too many.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
4th edition CSM.

This. Hate that codex...so...much. Having my fluffy non-competetive Alpha Legion army invalidated over night made me sad. Throne, that army was bland to play with the 4th edition book.

 carlos13th wrote:
Data slates are awful, you get charged for the over priced rules, then for the overpriced codex then for the over priced models then for the over priced data slate.

And then some douchebag refuses you a game because fun.

GW seems to be using dataslates and formations as a way of selling information at an inflated prices that should have otherwise been included in the army codex. I find this practice appalling and WILL NOT BE BUYING ANY DATASLATES. I support IP rights, creative people and the hobby I love. But, I'm sorry, I am not going to be the chump supporting this practice.

All the changes in 6th were pretty poor IMHO. 5th wasn't great but i feel that they made the core rules worse and this is where the slide started.

I selected the "they're all good" option.

Because I've been playing two days a week, two or three games a day, since forever.

And it's been the most fun I've had since the demise of 4th edition. All sorts of awesome things happen, Warhound titans stomping about, entire knight houses deployed against armored companies, void shield generators and the odd trench standing between a foot-guard list and impending doom...

it really has been some of the most fun I've ever had with 40k, perhaps even including 4th edition.

Why you not put warlord traits in your poll?

Anyway I voted escalation, apocalypse units should only be in ,y'know, apocalypse especially in their unbalanced current state.

Mine is they downgraded the troop capacity of a drop pod from 12 to 10. I liked that fact I could drop in a ten man squad with two independent characters

I voted for IK and Escalation. Then I remembered. When Apocalypse was first released, Forgeworld released rules in the various IA books on using Super-heavy Vehicles in normal 40K. That said, I think Escalation, should be allowed in friendly games. Not tournaments.

 Happyjew wrote:
That said, I think Escalation, should be allowed in friendly games. Not tournaments.

Why don't just balance the super heavies so they work in competitive play instead?

 Sidstyler wrote:
I was going to start clicking all the options, but after thinking about it for a moment, it's hard to really say that these things "should never have been made". I'll agree that it seems kinda bloaty, but honestly I don't think any of this would have been a problem if it wasn't so poorly implemented.

About the only thing I really don't like are flyers. I mean I like flyer models, mainly FW's since most of GW's look like crap, but they don't really make much sense at this scale...unless everything has a "hover" mode.

This^ sums it up nicely. It is not necessarily that some of these things are bad in and of themselves - it is the way GW has implemented them (the rules and when it was done) - as someone said a quick cash grab. I also feel flyers do not belong at this scale of game. Escalation and all super heavies should stay in Apoc. The effort should have been in making good dexes that were reasonably balanced instead of dissipating resources into making formations and dataslates and books like escalation. Then when all the dexes are done GW could look at adding supplements to an army to add some flavour or give an army a bump if needed. The tyranid dex is a perfect example of how badly this has been handled. A poorly written, bland and lazy dex followed by dataslates released around the same time providing some ideas that should have been in the dex to begin with.

I don't like the direction the game is going or GWs business practices and I have lost a lot of motivation/desire in continuing with this game, which is sad, not only for all the time and money spent on it but because 40K has such potential that it could be a really good game. GW needs to contract the game out to a company that knows and cares about making a good product.

 Ventus wrote:

 Sidstyler wrote:
I was going to start clicking all the options, but after thinking about it for a moment, it's hard to really say that these things "should never have been made". I'll agree that it seems kinda bloaty, but honestly I don't think any of this would have been a problem if it wasn't so poorly implemented.

About the only thing I really don't like are flyers. I mean I like flyer models, mainly FW's since most of GW's look like crap, but they don't really make much sense at this scale...unless everything has a "hover" mode.

This^ sums it up nicely. It is not necessarily that some of these things are bad in and of themselves - it is the way GW has implemented them (the rules and when it was done) - as someone said a quick cash grab. I also feel flyers do not belong at this scale of game. Escalation and all super heavies should stay in Apoc. The effort should have been in making good dexes that were reasonably balanced instead of dissipating resources into making formations and dataslates and books like escalation. Then when all the dexes are done GW could look at adding supplements to an army to add some flavour or give an army a bump if needed. The tyranid dex is a perfect example of how badly this has been handled. A poorly written, bland and lazy dex followed by dataslates released around the same time providing some ideas that should have been in the dex to begin with.

I don't like the direction the game is going or GWs business practices and I have lost a lot of motivation/desire in continuing with this game, which is sad, not only for all the time and money spent on it but because 40K has such potential that it could be a really good game. GW needs to contract the game out to a company that knows and cares about making a good product.

^ Agree with Everything said here.


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 Unit1126PLL wrote:
I selected the "they're all good" option.

Because I've been playing two days a week, two or three games a day, since forever.

And it's been the most fun I've had since the demise of 4th edition. All sorts of awesome things happen, Warhound titans stomping about, entire knight houses deployed against armored companies, void shield generators and the odd trench standing between a foot-guard list and impending doom...

it really has been some of the most fun I've ever had with 40k, perhaps even including 4th edition.

Trollin', Trollin', Trollin' round the river....

 Brother SRM wrote:
Escalation is an expansion, it even says so right in the White Dwarf that announced its launch. If you don't want to play with it, don't play with it. I personally don't have much interest in it, but I can see the appeal. If local tournaments allow it, don't go to em. That's just voting with your wallet.

I'm not a huge fan of fliers, and the Inquisition and Legion of the Damned codices aren't necessarily things I wish weren't introduced to the game, but rather were just differently handled. I'm cool with allying in either from a fluff/potential ally situation, but I wish there was more content. If "low content codices/supplements" were an option, I'd have ticked that.

sorry pal its not an expansion like apoc.... because it wouldnt mean anything.

my dislikes, battle brothers allies, the current StrD weapon rules, that people cry when they see a superheavy, that superheavies are all essentially stereotyped.

and yes 2 of those are player attitudes rather than 40k changes, but they were brought on by 40k changes

 Blacksails wrote:
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At this point, they might as well do away with the FoC too, what with all the options that ignore it.

Did somebody say... Unbound?