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Hi there,

I've been playing WFB for a while and have been wanting to try 40k out. I ended with Necrons as I really like their playstyle (from what I have seen) and their models.
When i start a new army I usually try to make a list early to give me a goal for what to buy next, so that is what I'm trying here. The problem is, I have never played 40k yet (only a very small match to learn the basics at my local GW store) and I haven't made any 40k lists yet.

Anyway, the list I have made so far is:

HQ:
Overlord with Warscythe, Phylactery, Mindshackle Scarabs, Sempiternal Weave and ress orb.
Lord with Warscythe, Mindshackle Scarabs and ress orb.
Cryptek as a Harbinger of Despair with Abyssal Staff and Nightmare Shroud.

Troops:
10 Warriors in a Ghost Ark
20 Warriors walking (with the Lord)

Elites:
10 Deathmarks in a Night Scythe (with the Cryptek)
5 Lychguards with Hyperphase Swords and Dispersion Shields (with the Overlord)

Fast Attack:
6 Canoptek Wraiths
3 Canoptek Scarabs

Heavy Support:
Doomsday Ark
Annihilation Barge with Gauss Cannon

This lands on exactly 1850 pts. As I haven't played yet, I'm not sure if I am missing something vital here or if any other tweaks could help out a lot.
The models I have bought so far that I kind of want to use as many as possible of are:
20 Warriors, 5 Scarab bases, 5 Deathmarks, 1 Overlord, 1 Lord, 1 Cryptek, 1 Ghost Ark, 1 Annihilation Barge.

Would appreciate any input

Overlord - res orb, semp weave, phyl, warscythe, mss, tesseract labyrinth (point filler)
Royal court
-1 harbinger of despair with veil of darkness, abyssal staff
stick in ghost ark with 9 other warriors

-1 lord with warcythe, res orb, semp weave and mss
stick in group of 20 warriors (footslog)

1 annihilation barge
doomsday ark
2X5 death marks (deepstrike these in next to high value target and use their 2+ to wound)
5 lychguard in night scythe

6 wraiths (2 with whipcoil things)

1847 points




Automatically Appended Next Post:
The doomsday ark isn't going to get much done. It's best use (I've found) is to divert the movement of enemy troops. Face it towards an objective, or a strategic area (e.g. alleyway towards an objective) and suddenly your opponent will have to avoid entering its LOS. Also, I hate lychguard, but seeing as you wanted to use them, and it was one of the only ways to get a night scythe onto the table...

Thanks for the input!

The Lychguard aren't really necessary, just wanted another infantry unit to put my overlord in really, if you have any other options I'm open to suggestions.
I put the Harbinger of Despair with the Deathmarks because of the combo i have read so much about, but maybe ill try him both ways (your list and mine require pretty much the same models).

Forgot to mention in the original post that the list is not made for a specific competion or game, just a general list that i can start off with and start mixing with later

From my own experience on 1500+ p games with Necrons, is that it would be ideal to have have minimum of 2 Anhilation Barges.
But as you have only one, the list provided by "APower101" is quite good. ------- All dem typos i make so much edit...

I was actually considering my options regarding that. Wether to buy another Anni Barge or a Doomsday Ark. Let's say i go for another Anni Barge, and skip the Lychguard, i would have 310 points to spare, any suggestions on where to use them, are the Triarch Stalkers worth getting maybe? or maybe a squad of Immortals?

ickz wrote:
Hi there,

I've been playing WFB for a while and have been wanting to try 40k out. I ended with Necrons as I really like their playstyle (from what I have seen) and their models.
When i start a new army I usually try to make a list early to give me a goal for what to buy next, so that is what I'm trying here. The problem is, I have never played 40k yet (only a very small match to learn the basics at my local GW store) and I haven't made any 40k lists yet.

Anyway, the list I have made so far is:

HQ:
Overlord with Warscythe, Phylactery, Mindshackle Scarabs, Sempiternal Weave and ress orb.
Lord with Warscythe, Mindshackle Scarabs and ress orb.
Cryptek as a Harbinger of Despair with Abyssal Staff and Nightmare Shroud.

Troops:
10 Warriors in a Ghost Ark
20 Warriors walking (with the Lord)

Elites:
10 Deathmarks in a Night Scythe (with the Cryptek)
5 Lychguards with Hyperphase Swords and Dispersion Shields (with the Overlord)

Fast Attack:
6 Canoptek Wraiths
3 Canoptek Scarabs

Heavy Support:
Doomsday Ark
Annihilation Barge with Gauss Cannon

This lands on exactly 1850 pts. As I haven't played yet, I'm not sure if I am missing something vital here or if any other tweaks could help out a lot.
The models I have bought so far that I kind of want to use as many as possible of are:
20 Warriors, 5 Scarab bases, 5 Deathmarks, 1 Overlord, 1 Lord, 1 Cryptek, 1 Ghost Ark, 1 Annihilation Barge.

Would appreciate any input

So to be clear you actually have the following extra

20 Warriors, 5 Scarab bases, 5 Deathmarks, 1 Overlord, 1 Lord, 1 Cryptek, 1 Ghost Ark, 1 Annihilation Barge.

or

You only have

20 Warriors, 5 Scarab bases, 5 Deathmarks, 1 Overlord, 1 Lord, 1 Cryptek, 1 Ghost Ark, 1 Annihilation Barge.


I am unclear on what models you actually have as your list doesn't include the latter.

So If I am right you have


20 Warriors, 5 Scarab bases, 5 Deathmarks, 1 Overlord, 1 Lord, 1 Cryptek, 1 Ghost Ark, 1 Annihilation Barge.

PLUS

HQ:
Overlord with Warscythe, Phylactery, Mindshackle Scarabs, Sempiternal Weave and ress orb.
Lord with Warscythe, Mindshackle Scarabs and ress orb.
Cryptek as a Harbinger of Despair with Abyssal Staff and Nightmare Shroud.

Troops:
10 Warriors in a Ghost Ark
20 Warriors walking (with the Lord)

Elites:
10 Deathmarks in a Night Scythe (with the Cryptek)
5 Lychguards with Hyperphase Swords and Dispersion Shields (with the Overlord)

Fast Attack:
6 Canoptek Wraiths
3 Canoptek Scarabs

Heavy Support:
Doomsday Ark
Annihilation Barge with Gauss Cannon

Also, please don't put Gauss Cannons on your Annihilation Barges.

edit:

Point for Point Annihilation Barges are the best unit in the codex almost, plus the Kit is one of the best as well as it includes a Free Necron Lord as well it is easily swapped back and forth between a Command Barge and a Annihilation Barge. You should get a Destroyer Lord w/ Warscythe that will be fun to put with your wraiths and give you a real beatstick of a unit.

Yeah, might have been a little unclear. "20 Warriors, 5 Scarab bases, 5 Deathmarks, 1 Overlord, 1 Lord, 1 Cryptek, 1 Ghost Ark, 1 Annihilation Barge" is the models that i own right now, the list at the top is a list I made just to have a goal on what to buy next, a shopping list of sorts.

So to make the army I made I still need to buy: 1 Doomsday Ark (or Anni Barge considering my last post), 5 more Deathmarks, 5 Lychguards (or maybe not?), a pack of warriors, a Night Scythe and 6 wraiths.

So my question is actually more of "is this a viable list or should i buy something else first?". As a student, funds are a bit limited, so I would like to make my purchases so that i can get a OK list as fast as possible and then expand it later.

I don't think you should buy Lychguard or a Doomsday ark.

I think you'll get more "bang" for your buck with purchasing one ofthese Immortals, a Annihilation Barge, Wraiths, or a DLord If you have the funds get a NightScythe definitely.


I wouldn't worry about getting a "top tier" army slaying tournament winning good list, I mean anything you buy you'll find a use for just overall you may find yourselfusing those models less for more favourable units.

The top 3 units are pretty much

1. Warriors
2. Wraiths
3. Annihilation Barges

You get Necron overlords with Annihilation Barges which are great, kind of Screwed on the box of Immortals as they make Deathmarks or Immortals, here's the thing though. You can kit bash Warriors and Immortal/Deathmark packs to make Immortals out of normal warriors.

I just wouldn't purchase a Doomsday Ark over a Nightscythe or Annihilation Barge, and I wouldn't Purchase a Lychguard over a kit of Warriors or Immortals/Deathmarks.

That's just my opinion.

If you want, and you feel comfortable, tell use what your minimum budget would be for your next purchase or PM it and I'm sure people will come up with some really good suggestions to add to what you already have. ( PS, Remember to not Glue the Gunson the Annihilation Barge so you can do a easy swap of it to a Command Barge)

ickz wrote:


HQ:
Overlord with Warscythe, Phylactery, Mindshackle Scarabs, Sempiternal Weave and ress orb.
Lord with Warscythe, Mindshackle Scarabs and ress orb.
Cryptek as a Harbinger of Despair with Abyssal Staff and Nightmare Shroud.

Troops:
10 Warriors in a Ghost Ark
20 Warriors walking (with the Lord)

Elites:
10 Deathmarks in a Night Scythe (with the Cryptek)
5 Lychguards with Hyperphase Swords and Dispersion Shields (with the Overlord)

Fast Attack:
6 Canoptek Wraiths
3 Canoptek Scarabs

Heavy Support:
Doomsday Ark
Annihilation Barge with Gauss Cannon

Its a decent enough list. Here are some suggestions/tips that I think will help you out.

For that Lord, you should switch out the MSS for a Semp Weave. The MSS isn't going to much, if anything, on the turn that the blob of Warriors gets charged, which is when you'll need it the most. Or hope that your opponents never figure out to assault it to the point where you can't win.

You've got a decent setup for the Deathmark squad. The Nightmare Shroud sounds cool but isn't all that effective. Most of the units are high Leadership, and against Marines you might actually be helping them if it works. I'd recommend trying to find the points for a Veil in that unit. In case you're playing a non-aggressive player, or you end up on Hammer n Anvil Deployment. This will allow you to still use that Deathmark squads Deep Strike ability when the situation arises that using the Nightscythe won't be as effective.

Lychguard with Dispersion Shields got significantly less cool with the current rules. Pre-measuring and Random assault ranges means that your opponent will rarely ever be in 6" to use that part of their rules. When you DO actually get to use the shields, they can only kill anything with 6" anyways. There is no effective way to deliver them into an assault outside of a counter unit, and even there isn't much reason to fear them. Their weapons aren't going to do much to 2+ saves, and they're still I2.

* IF you want to use a somewhat effective tactic with a Lychguard unit, then buy the box of Lychguard and give them Warscythes. Treat them as a Royal court of Lords and it should work out to 5pts more per model. You get the same amount of attacks plus Everliving. In addition, you can start that unit next to a Ghost Ark and Load them in on Turn 1, giving them a more effective delivery system. I still don't recommend doing this, but if you wanted to do it, then this is one of the best ways of doing it.

That 3 man unit of Scarabs isn't going to do a whole lot. It'll usually give up First Blood unless you put them in Reserve which means they probably won't do much during the battle in general. They work best in Larger units, and become scary when you can find the points to support them with Tomb Spyders. Since you're still expanding your army, I'd look at getting one Tomb Spyder to play around with if you're going to experiment with Scarabs.

Nothing wrong with the Doomsday Ark, but as they said above, all it's going to do is screw with your opponents deployment. It's actually fairly easy to take down, and in order to increase it's survivability you need to move it, which will reduce the effectiveness of it's shooting. Outside of that, I agree with whats been said, get a 2nd Annihilation Barge first.

Don't ever put Gauss on the A. Barges unless for some reason you don't have enough of it elsewhere. With 30 Warriors, you're fine w/o the 1 extra Gauss.

ickz wrote:
20 Warriors, 5 Scarab bases, 5 Deathmarks, 1 Overlord, 1 Lord, 1 Cryptek, 1 Ghost Ark, 1 Annihilation Barge.

You're off to a great start. Warriors are the best unit in the Codex when you take the upgrades to support them, and so few Necron players take advantage of that fact. You're planning on putting an Orb in the squad and you have a Ghost Ark to back it up which is great.

I'd definitely recommend getting that unit of Deathmarks up to 10 and a Nightscythe as your first purchases, followed by the Anni Barge and Wraiths. Start playing some games and you'll see what you like, what you're lacking, and what you need to fill out in your army next.

Spammy list if you are buying new stuff:

overlord - mss, semp, phyl, warscythe
Lord with res orb and mss, warscythe
12 warriors
lord with res orb and mss, warscythe
12 warrios
lord with res orb and mss, warcythe
12 warriors

Night Sycthe with 5 tesla immortals
night scyhte with 5 tesla immortals

Annihilation barge
annihilation barge
annihilation barge

6 wraiths (1 whip coil)
5 wraiths

Thanks alot everybody, I think I'm gonna follow Akar's advice on getting a Night Scythe and another pack of Deathmarks first (as I really want a Night Scythe soon anyway, it looks really fun to paint) and I'm gonna go with another barge instead of the Doomsday Ark. For the list I also think i will be skipping the scarabs and the Lychguard And maybe go for some Immortals, maybe another Night Scythe (or Doom Scythe?) or maybe a Triarch Stalker, not sure yet

I'd highly recommend looking into an assault/counter unit after buying those 2 kits before looking into other stuff. You can't go wrong with Wraiths, but learning to use Scarabs will be good anyways. Run all 5 bases for a while. It's cheap and easy to find points. Ask around as well, they're fairly easy to pick up from other Cron players.

After that, Immortals would be your best option along with a second Nightscythe.

I'm not a fan of the Doomscythe since they FAQd out using the beam on other flyers, but they're fine if your dedicating them to shooting Ground units. The Triarch Stalker is one I would avoid on your list for now. They're over priced for what you get and work best with multiple units of Warriors/Immortals.