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Warriors are the standard choice at 45 points, but for 35 more points you get a troop choice that can move, on average, 16 inches. That is much more adaptable to terrain, objective placement, and the flow of battle. Plus they have better killing power (if desperate) and could hunt characters.

Venoms. That will be all.

So it's to take a vehicle that may be the only piece of armor... Setting it up for a guaranteed kill.

Also , most competitive beastpack lists do not include venoms.

Probably because they want the Baron and the beast pack; anything else is just a tax. Warriors are the cheapest troop choice available: they are the tax for the Baron/Beast pack.

So your army is a Beastpack and, what exactly? Considering you just said you use no vehicles that leaves you foot slogging all your units, which without a very optimised list with allied Eldar for psyker support, is a very bad idea. How do you handle vehicles? No vehicles means no Ravagers, so you are left with 3 an trueborn with 2 DL's, a big unit of Reavers and *snigger* scourges. Please, if you have a pure DE list that functions well at 1500+ without a single piece of armour I would love to hear it.

If you do have Eldar allies, or are allying the beastpack into Eldar, then that is even more reason to take warriors. Everything a Hellion can do Jetbikes can either do better (capture objectives, shooting) or avoid (combat) while a 5 Man warrior unit in a duel cannon venom with a blaster adds a good amount of fire power for 125pts and provides long range fire power that other Eldar units can't give. As for saying people don't take venoms with beastpacks, I would like to point you to Adam's Beastpack which made great use of the Venoms (more specifically their grisely trophies to re-roll psy-checks) which synargies really well with a Beastpack.

I clearly stated that I am talking about eldar with dark eldar.


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Farseer (Warlord) - Jetbike, Shard, Warding, Witnessing, Spear
Eldrad
3 Jetbikes
3 Jetbikes
3 Jetbikes
3 Jetbikes
7 Warp Spiders
7 Warp Spiders
Wraithknight
Wraithknight
Baron
5 Kabalite Warriors
5 Beastmaster, 25 Khymera

Like I said, if they're just allied in they usually just take the cheapest possible troops choice(warriors), and just plop them somewhere and forget about them. They're merely a tax on the Baron and Beast pack. Not saying it's the smartest thing to do, but that's what is done.

Ok, this might help you understand how I see it.

Pro's of 5 Warriors with a Blaster in a duel cannon Venom. 125pts

-Long range fire support at the same range as Eldar fire support like scatter lasers
-Extremely good at causing grounding checks on FMC
-Blaster has AV applications and can insta-gib T4.
-Arguably more survivable due to easy access to cover
-Grants/receives cover from Eldar Grav Tanks
-Grisly Trophies lets Eldar re-roll their MASSIVELY important psy-checks
-Warriors can be dropped at an objective then use Venom as a simple gun boat
-faster then Hellions due to turbo boost

With the only con's I can see are
-slightly more expensive then Hellions, but this matters less if the Hellions take a Helliarch with Stun Claw
-Explosions

What do Hellions have? They have a mediocre assault ability, a Character hunting qwerky ability that is likely to get you killed trying it and 5 more shots then Warriors (with the Venom the Warriors have more) between 12'' and 18''. So my question again, why take Hellions when Jetbikes are obviously better at getting objectives, Warriors are better at long range shooting and Hellions are so fragile and weak in assault that they can't do that either?

**Edit** What will that list do against flyers in a game where you are forced to take first turn?

 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
Ok, this might help you understand how I see it.

Pro's of 5 Warriors with a Blaster in a duel cannon Venom. 125pts

-Long range fire support at the same range as Eldar fire support like scatter lasers
-Extremely good at causing grounding checks on FMC
-Blaster has AV applications and can insta-gib T4.
-Arguably more survivable due to easy access to cover
-Grants/receives cover from Eldar Grav Tanks
-Grisly Trophies lets Eldar re-roll their MASSIVELY important psy-checks
-Warriors can be dropped at an objective then use Venom as a simple gun boat
-faster then Hellions due to turbo boost

With the only con's I can see are
-slightly more expensive then Hellions, but this matters less if the Hellions take a Helliarch with Stun Claw
-Explosions

What do Hellions have? They have a mediocre assault ability, a Character hunting qwerky ability that is likely to get you killed trying it and 5 more shots then Warriors (with the Venom the Warriors have more) between 12'' and 18''. So my question again, why take Hellions when Jetbikes are obviously better at getting objectives, Warriors are better at long range shooting and Hellions are so fragile and weak in assault that they can't do that either?

**Edit** What will that list do against flyers in a game where you are forced to take first turn?

That's not his list. The question is why would someone run a barebones 5-man warrior squad instead of hellions as a troop.

 warpspider89 wrote:
I clearly stated that I am talking about eldar with dark eldar.


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Farseer (Warlord) - Jetbike, Shard, Warding, Witnessing, Spear
Eldrad
3 Jetbikes
3 Jetbikes
3 Jetbikes
3 Jetbikes
7 Warp Spiders
7 Warp Spiders
Wraithknight
Wraithknight
Baron
5 Kabalite Warriors
5 Beastmaster, 25 Khymera

But that list is spot on 1850, so what would you axe to get the 35 points for the "upgrade" in units?

That doesn't matter. It is an example list.


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Stick to the question.

They take a 5-man squad of warriors instead of hellions because the warriors are cheaper. That's pretty much it. The only reason they ally with deldar is for the Baron and Beast pack. Anything else takes away from their primary detachment : Eldar.