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Hey folks

Looking for help with getting a 1500 list done - i will be playing with friends and in the hobby centre, obviously want to have a good chance to win, but dont intend on doing any tournaments or anything. At this point my losses will be more likely to be attributed to my skills rather than my army, but still.

overlord with weave 105
2 lords as court with weave = 100
2x 13 warrior squads: 338
1x 10 immortal squad 170
3x scythes: 300
2x annihilation barge: 180
1 triarch stalker: 150
3 canoptek wraiths with 3 coils 135

1478/1500 total
(could add 1 more warrior or smth)


Now a few "notes":
- i WANT to include at least 1 scythe, no matter what.
- i WANT to includ at least 5 immortals, no matter what.
- i WANT to include at least some heavy support (i.e. barges etc).
- i WANT to include at least 3 whipcoil wraiths
- i DO NOT want to include tomb blades
- i DO NOT want to include flayed ones
- i DO NOT want to include monolith


That said, any comments or advice in regards to this list? Would very much appreciate any and all responses and/or suggestions!

Well first off how many points of Necrons do you own? What models etc..

That will better help people know what they can suggest.

Just first off the top of my head take the weave off of the Royal Court? What's in that? It's a 100 points but am unsure of what you are taking.

Next up

That Necron Overlord needs some buff, he needs to be taking Mindshackle Scarabs and a Warscythe at least.

What are your Immortals armed with? Tesla or Gauss?

I hate the Triarch Stalker with the fury of a burning thousand suns, but some people like it. I like the model it's just kind of crappy.

Do you have Scarabs, I feel a fun list of Necrons should include Scarabs.

Hollismason wrote:
Well first off how many points of Necrons do you own? What models etc..

That will better help people know what they can suggest.

Just first off the top of my head take the weave off of the Royal Court? What's in that? It's a 100 points but am unsure of what you are taking.

Next up

That Necron Overlord needs some buff, he needs to be taking Mindshackle Scarabs and a Warscythe at least.

What are your Immortals armed with? Tesla or Gauss?

I hate the Triarch Stalker with the fury of a burning thousand suns, but some people like it. I like the model it's just kind of crappy.

Do you have Scarabs, I feel a fun list of Necrons should include Scarabs.

What i own - i own a couple of things i mentioned in the "i want to use" section, but other than that im open to getting more.

Royal court - everything that's included is written. So if cost is "court lord with weave", then that is literally just that, lord with weave.

Overlord is mostly taken as a meatshield + to allow for court, i dont intent for him to be a massive beast or anything

Default gass immos.

Why do you hate triarch?

Scarab lists are very different from what i hear, they would require a lot of list changes. no?

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Because it's a open top walker with one weapon 150 points and has Armour front 13. I just find them woefully inadequate for their points and for what their abilities are. The targeting thing is a I guess cool but it still has to hit itself.

I don't understand your explanation on what you have? Do you own Scarabs?

Hollismason wrote:
Because it's a open top walker with one weapon 150 points and has Armour front 13. I just find them woefully inadequate for their points and for what their abilities are. The targeting thing is a I guess cool but it still has to hit itself.

I don't understand your explanation on what you have? Do you own Scarabs?

My explanation on what i own: It doesnt matter what i own, as i am prepared to buy more if i like the list. The only thing i am concerned about is specific units that i listed in the "rules" section. Imagine i own all units.

Here's my advice.

1 - The Triarch Stalker is an odd Cog in the Necron Machine. I'll agree with Hollis that is is drastically overcosted for what you get from it. The short of it is that we end up paying more than a Dread, we only get 1 weapon, the Armor gets weaker the minute we take a Penetrating hit, and we don't even get Dread CCW if they actually make it into combat. That doesn't mean it's not worth taking, you just have to build a list around them. They become incredibly more effective with the more infantry that you run, so they become really good on Warrior heavy lists. Your Nightscythes and ABarges are already Twin-linked so won't be able to make much use of it. I own two of them and have had several games with them and they're great. What they need is a distraction, which you're actually accomplishing with the 2 ABarges. You're opponent is effectively going to have to choose how he wants you to kill him.

The HARDEST part with the Triarch Stalker is picking the Weapon. Both the Heat Ray/Particle Shredder have their strengths, but after a few games having the same Range as the rest of the Army felt limiting to me. I really struggle with the points for the Heavy Gauss, but I have not regretted it whenever I have fielded it. It gives you that little extra range without affecting the movement or firing of the Warriors, and the Twin-linked helps insure you get a hit, which is what you're really going for. I strongly recommend trying each of them out to find out which one fits your play style.

2 - Whip Coils - I disagree with them altogether so you might consider dropping them. They just aren't worth the points. Your opponents will quickly learn to just park stuff in cover, and not worry too much about the unit, especially with just 3 of them. You really only want them in a unit when there is a D-Lord present, as this makes the D-Lord effective, and not necessarily the Wraiths themselves. (I also HATE it when I see this unit on lists, as it's probably the 2nd biggest waste of points next to running Lychguard!) At least people haven't recommended you do this here (yet...), and it's just fine.

3 - Gauss Warriors are the way to go if you're going to put them in the Nightscythe. Gauss, from my experience is just a better weapon all around, but I see the attraction to Tesla. With a Nightscythe, you'll be able to deliver those 10 Immortals into Rapid Fire range. 20 S5/AP4 shots is something that not a lot of armies have a counter against, and if you back it up with the Triarch, they'll finish off pretty much anything they shoot at.

With that in mind, here is a list very similar to what I run, modified to fit what you said.

Overlord - Scythe/Weave/Orb/MSS (With Warriors)
*Lord - Scythe/Orb/Weave (With other Warriors)

Triarch Stalker - HGC

17 Warriors
17 Warriors
10 Immortals (Gauss)
*Nightscythe

5 Wraiths

ABarge
ABarge

There are some points to play around with but that's for you to decide. You can free up some points easily by changing the weapon on the Stalker, and dropping the MSS. Im only recommending the MSS since it's good that you learn how to use them as you learn to play, but they won't do much on the turn you get charged being in a huge block of Warriors. Feel free to shift/add/remove Warriors around as needed, but I'd strongly recommend not going below 14 to benefit from both the Stalker, and being extremely survivable. The Overlord and Lord should be some where in the middle of the units to soak wounds should the unit be hit hard, this will help keep Warriors up to make the RP rolls. 5 Wraiths make it at least as effective as a SM Assault unit. Extremely resilient, and enough of a threat that your opponent can't ignore them adding to the 'How does my opponent want me to kill him' feeling.

Hope this helps give a different perspective on Necrons, and helps you with what you're trying to do.

EDIT: I know you don't WANT to use them, but I thought I'd chime in on 2 of the units you do not want because they do combo well with the Triarch Stalker, and might be worth a look down the road, but you don't need them.

*Monoliths are great, as they still provide distraction for keeping the Triarch Stalker alive, and can deliver one of your Warrior units into Rapid Fire Range. The Warriors backed up by the Stalker will deliver a powerful blow. We didn't talk about Characters, but if you try out Zahndrekh, that Monolith along with the rest of the Army becomes extremely versatile on the board.

*Tomb Blades. These guys with Particle Beamers are a perfect match when teamed up with a Triarch Stalker. They are fast enough to keep up with the rest of the army as you annihilate your opponent or can get around to meet any counters your opponents might have.

Akar, thank you, thats very informative!

Regarding tomb blades - the reason i dont want to use them is very simple. I really, REALLY dislike the models. In some near future i might go around converting some of them, and might end up using them then, but for now id rather skip them.

Regarding monolith, i simply dont have the carrying space for it.

A fun thing to always do is attach the overlord to a squad of 20 warriors and give them a ghost ark and a cryptek of the storm with a lightning field and this unit will last forever, as long as you give the overlord a res orb.

Anakonda wrote:
Regarding tomb blades - the reason i dont want to use them is very simple. I really, REALLY dislike the models. In some near future i might go around converting some of them, and might end up using them then, but for now id rather skip them.

I understand, and don't hold that against you. There are plenty of ways to convert them and I only mentioned it because if you find that you like the Stalker, then you should at least look at these guys. I dug out my old 3rd Ed. Destroyers "Lawn Chairs of Doom!" and use them as Tomb Blades now so I don't even have to worry about the new models.

Anakonda wrote:
Regarding monolith, i simply dont have the carrying space for it.

I completely understand on this one as well. It's the same reason I own 2 Ghost Arks still in Boxes, and got rid of my Monoliths earlier. They're just too awkward to transport. I will be re-purchasing 2 Monoliths, but like the Ghost Arks, they'll probably sit in boxes un-assembled until I can find an effective way to transport them.

Honestly, I think you'll eventually end up in the same boat as the rest of us down the road, and you'll eventually drop them. Even if you love them you'll see that when you lose them, the rest of the army still performs very well. I encourage you to use them all the same.

Good Luck with everything and I'll be interested to hearing how things go.

I disagree on the Destroyer lord w/ WRaiths because it's one of the most devastating units in the entire book if played correctly. I am also super fond of Command Barges though and lots of Spyders.

I think what you have is perfectly servicable , I think dropping the Triarch is a good idea and if you have it put a Ghost Ark near the big squad of warriors then buy Scarabs because their fun.