nkelsch wrote:

Relapse wrote:
You are saying everyone would have been shot dead or arrested which is a huge overstatement, then you compund the error by playing a race card.
I do agree, however, that it is asnine to an extreme degree for these guys to be bringing in weapons and Bundy should tell everyone to go home before someone gets hurt.

If they are violent and brandishing a weapon at authorities, in every other situation they will most likely be shot dead. This happens daily in our cities. No one questions a violent criminal assaulting authorities with deadly weapons. In the LA riots, most people were unarmed and murdering with their bare hands and mob attacks, so the police were simply arresting people. If those people were 'armed militias' they would have been put down to the man and no one would have blinked an eye because you simply don't take up arms and attack law enforcement.

Why these 'militias' feel they are different (and are being treated differently) is beyond me. Why they are not being immediately rounded up and arrested for violence and why those whoa re violent and armed are being allowed to 'continue' to be that and 'claim victory' by disengaging them instead of confronting them is not how regular people would be treated. If you were in a city, they wouldn't 'disengage' a violent and armed person, they would shoot them to death.

The federal officials in this situation *ARE* showing amazing restraint, and if they do have escalate their response, I feel it will be totally justified. They should make sure they have their wills in order before they decide to take up arms against the federal government.

 DarkTraveler777 wrote:
And another lovely example from LA is Christopher Dorner. He took up arms against police and it did not end well for that man. Not well at all.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
To be fair to the good people of LA, washing their cars on their lunch breaks, the riots were sparked off when the LAPD squad who had been filmed beating the feth out of a black guy astonishingly managed to get acquitted.

Once the spark was lit, the forest fire pretty much burned out of control until it had consumed the available fuel.

In the Bundy case, the narrative is very different.

Relapse wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:
To be fair to the good people of LA, washing their cars on their lunch breaks, the riots were sparked off when the LAPD squad who had been filmed beating the feth out of a black guy astonishingly managed to get acquitted.

Once the spark was lit, the forest fire pretty much burned out of control until it had consumed the available fuel.

In the Bundy case, the narrative is very different.

To the people of that area supporting him, what is happening to Bundy is equivelant.

 d-usa wrote:

Relapse wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:
To be fair to the good people of LA, washing their cars on their lunch breaks, the riots were sparked off when the LAPD squad who had been filmed beating the feth out of a black guy astonishingly managed to get acquitted.

Once the spark was lit, the forest fire pretty much burned out of control until it had consumed the available fuel.

In the Bundy case, the narrative is very different.

To the people of that area supporting him, what is happening to Bundy is equivelant.

Then the people of that area that are supporting him are stupid.

By SHIREE BUNDY COX:

I have had people ask me to explain my dad’s stance on this BLM fight.

Here it is in as simple of terms as I can explain it. There is so much to it, but here it is in a nut shell.

My great grandpa bought the rights to the Bunkerville allotment back in 1887 around there. Then he sold them to my grandpa who then turned them over to my dad in 1972.

These men bought and paid for their rights to the range and also built waters, fences and roads to assure the survival of their cattle, all with their own money, not with tax dollars.

These rights to the land use is called preemptive rights.

Some where down the line, to keep the cows from over grazing, came the bureau of land management. They were supposed to assist the ranchers in the management of their ranges while the ranchers paid a yearly allotment which was to be use to pay the BLM wages and to help with repairs and improvements of the ranches.

My dad did pay his grazing fees for years to the BLM until they were no longer using his fees to help him and to improve.

Instead they began using these money’s against the ranchers.

They bought all the rest of the ranchers in the area out with their own grazing fees.

When they offered to buy my dad out for a penence he said no thanks and then fired them because they weren’t doing their job.

He quit paying the BLM but, tried giving his grazing fees to the county, which they turned down.

So my dad just went on running his ranch and making his own improvements with his own equipment and his own money, not taxes.

In essence the BLM was managing my dad out of business.

Well when buying him out didn’t work, they used the indangered species card.

You’ve already heard about the desert tortis.

Well that didn’t work either, so then began the threats and the court orders, which my dad has proven to be unlawful for all these years.

Now they’re desperate.

It’s come down to buying the brand inspector off and threatening the County Sheriff.

Everything they’re doing at this point is illegal and totally against the constitution of the United States of America.

Now you may be saying,” how sad, but what does this have to do with me?” Well, I’ll tell you.

They will get rid of Cliven Bundy, the last man standing on the Bunkerville allotment and then they will close all the roads so no one can ever go on it again.

Next, it’s Utah’s turn. Mark my words, Utah is next.

Then there’s the issue of the cattle that are at this moment being stolen. See even if dad hasn’t paid them, those cattle do belong to him.

Regardless where they are they are my fathers property. His herd has been part of that range for over a hundred years, long before the BLM even existed.

Now the Feds think they can just come in and remove them and sell them without a legal brand inspection or without my dad’s signature on it.

They think they can take them over two boarders, which is illegal, ask any trucker. Then they plan to take them to the Richfeild Auction and sell them.

All with our tax money.

They have paid off the contract cowboys and the auction owner as well as the Nevada brand inspector with our tax dollars.

See how slick they are?

Well, this is it in a nut shell. Thanks”

 Gentleman_Jellyfish wrote:
The cows should vote to become a republic then call Russia for aid

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Why has all of this information not been presented in court?

 Jihadin wrote:
Another step closer to Revoluation

 Iron_Captain wrote:
Why can't those people calm down and act maturely? If you disagree with the authorities, there are probably ways to take it up in a civil manner.

Why can't the US government act more like the democratic government it is supposed to be instead of some fascist republic-style ''justice''? Why does it send in snipers etc.? No need for that.

They should engage in dialogue with the people instead.

Both sides need to calm and have sittings down for talks. Without weapons.

And why do these kinds of things only seem tohappen in USA?

 loki old fart wrote:
Is there any chance this is about fracking, as is been claimed?
Would your government lie too you ?
http://www.naturalnews.com/044670_BLM_lies_fracking_leases_Bundy_ranch.html#
Not got the popcorn but watching this intently.

 d-usa wrote:

 Iron_Captain wrote:

And why do these kinds of things only seem tohappen in USA?

It's almost like you didn't participate in the Ukraine thread...

 Iron_Captain wrote:
But in all seriousness, I really don't think the situation is comparable as it doesn't involve ethnic and linguistic tensions, conflicting national interests and a centuries-long history. (oh well, you could argue for that history since he claims his family has used the land for so long )

 Iron_Captain wrote:
And why do these kinds of things only seem tohappen in USA?

 Ouze wrote:

 Iron_Captain wrote:
And why do these kinds of things only seem tohappen in USA?

Remember that time that Russia gassed that theater and killed half the hostages they were "rescuing"? Or maybe I was thinking of that school.

Tell me more about how uniquely heavy handed the US is, please.

 Ouze wrote:

 Iron_Captain wrote:
And why do these kinds of things only seem tohappen in USA?

Remember that time that Russia gassed that theater and killed half the hostages they were "rescuing"? Or maybe I was thinking of that school.

Tell me more about how uniquely heavy handed the US is, please.

 Ouze wrote:

 Iron_Captain wrote:
And why do these kinds of things only seem tohappen in USA?

Remember that time that Russia gassed that theater and killed half the hostages they were "rescuing"? Or maybe I was thinking of that school.

Tell me more about how uniquely heavy handed the US is, please.

 d-usa wrote:
They have a great local music scene though.