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imagine 9 marines from the loyal legions. some disaster has brought them together to make a squad a bit like after isstvan there were the ad-hoc companies.

Bear in mind they are all the same rank all have the same amount of respect and they are all the same age and fought in the same amount of battles killed the same amount of enemies and whatever else.

the only thing thats different is their attitudes and their colours.

who would be at the bottom of the pecking order?
who would be in charge?
who would be first to die?
who would be last to die?
what would their preferred enemy be? (Deamons not included but traitor legions included)
What would have brought them together?
how would they work together?
would rivalries show?
When they are reunited with their legions would they stay together or would they split?
How would they operate? (out of a ship? on one world? hit and run? sabotage supply lines?)

just a bit of fun inspired by a idea i am having for some fluff about a combined loyalist force.

so yeah fire away (i think the iron hand would die first)

Post heresy pre second founding

The Ultramarine dies first after going on about how he should be in charge and how everyone loves Guilliman and how he wrote the Codex and blah blah blah ... POW!

Dammit, you said after Istvaan.

Hmm, must redeem myself.

Gimme a minute or two

Actually, do you mean Legions or Chapters, are we talking about during or after the Heresy?

post heresy pre second founding

Probably depend on mission, each has unique skills in particular areas.

Who would be at the bottom of the pecking order?

Not likely to be one individual but the Salamander would probably be least likely to make demands of his brothers.

Who would be in charge?

The Dark Angel, Ultramarine and Blood Angel would believe that they could lead mission best but have the humility to avoid grandstanding. Wolf cares little for who thinks they are in charge as leaders will prove themselves in battle. Other legionaries know that they have more specialised skill sets so leave the giving orders to someone else.

Who would be first to die?

Either the BA or the Iron Hands, trying to avenge their Primarch.

who would be last to die?

The Ultramarine, the most level headed, only one to not see either his Legion or Primarch die, or suffer the horrors of the invasion of Terra.

what would their preferred enemy be? (Deamons not included but traitor legions included)

Any and All traitor Legions, all would have their specific personal enemy Legion.

What would have brought them together?

Their desire to get the mission complete, make a difference etc.

how would they work together?

Probably well enough, each making use of each other's specialisations to get the job done.

would rivalries show?

For some, the SW and DA are honour bound to dual at first but would most likely behave after that. The shattered Legions would most likely have greater camraderie for their shared experience at Istvaan, as would the BA, WS and IF for Terra. Some resentment may be levelled at the Ultra for being percieved as missing the main fighting (Don't think Calth was common knowledge to most)

When they are reunited with their legions would they stay together or would they split?

They would split, duty to brothers is more binding than any friends they may ever make.

How would they operate? (out of a ship? on one world? hit and run? sabotage supply lines?)

Most likely ship based, sabotage would make sense as they are only a small group. Assasinations would be unlikely though as the UM and DA would probably be uncomfortable about such a dishonourable way of war.

The Iron Hand might have some issues with the Raven Guard and Salamander depending on their outlook. According to their IA article it says that the Iron Hands blame the Raven Guard and Salamanders for the death of their Primarch. Now, this does not appear to be the case for all Iron Hands as we see from the series, but some might hold a grudge, perhaps after the realisation that their Primarch is definitely dead.

I am not sure if the Dark Angel and Space Wolf rivalry would have been such an issue here, at least not with the Primarchs still being active. I believe their dueling came about after the Primarchs disappeared.

The Space Wolf would be vying for overall command, because he is a Space Wolf.

I am not sure if they would split. KP77 raises a good issue about brotherhood, but I would guess it all depends on the situation and how long they were together. Form of brotherhood and bonds are often forged between Legionnaires across the Legion. If it was strong enough and they were actively achieving goals, working well together, there is the possibility that they would remain together, unless actually demanded to rejoin the Legion.

 Pilau Rice wrote:
The Iron Hand might have some issues with the Raven Guard and Salamander depending on their outlook. According to their IA article it says that the Iron Hands blame the Raven Guard and Salamanders for the death of their Primarch. Now, this does not appear to be the case for all Iron Hands as we see from the series, but some might hold a grudge, perhaps after the realisation that their Primarch is definitely dead.

I am not sure if the Dark Angel and Space Wolf rivalry would have been such an issue here, at least not with the Primarchs still being active. I believe their dueling came about after the Primarchs disappeared.

The Space Wolf would be vying for overall command, because he is a Space Wolf.

I am not sure if they would split. KP77 raises a good issue about brotherhood, but I would guess it all depends on the situation and how long they were together. Form of brotherhood and bonds are often forged between Legionnaires across the Legion. If it was strong enough and they were actively achieving goals, working well together, there is the possibility that they would remain together, unless actually demanded to rejoin the Legion.

The duelling was around before the Heresy as in Unremembered Empire the Space Wolves demand an honour dual from the Dark Angels before they will discuss anything else.

I don't think the Space Wolf would vie for command, they are dogs to be unleashed, despite their intense pride, they don't seem as concerned with leadership as some of the others. I believe Leman Russ was one of those that was indifferent to Horus being Warmaster, while The Dark Angels always think they are better because they are the First Legion.

Haven't read Unremembered Empire yet, but that would be another addition. Why do they request a duel, because of Dulan?

I think they would, after missing much of the Heresy the Wolves would want to prove themselves.

From Lexicanum

"During a pacification war, the Dark Angels aided the Space Wolves against a particular planet. This planetary leader had insulted Leman Russ's honor and so he wanted to defeat the leader personally for the insult. The Dark Angels and Space Wolves, both led by their respective Primarchs, assaulted the tower where the leader was. Leman Russ burst into the throne room just in time to see Lion El'Jonson beheading the leader. Angry that the honor was not his, Leman Russ marched up to the Lion and punched him in the jaw. This led to a battle that lasted a week or more, until finally Russ saw how immature their squabble was and started laughing. Lion El'Jonson took this as Russ mocking him and punched Leman Russ into unconsciousness before leaving the planet with his legion"

Yep, so Dulan. But is that the reason for the duel you mention in Unremembered Empire?

The most shattered legions would have a sense of battered brotherhood, with all going on pride and past issues are going to almost petty.

If there the last line of defence, the reminets of broken legions, they have no choice but to fight together or the impirium dies. At some points its unite or fall.

i have to side with Kor on this one. the wolves never seem too bothered about leadership. even if they were trying to prove themselves it would be in battle not necesserily with them as leaders though.

i dont think the Dark angels would expect to be in charge at all admittedly thats because i have read unremembered empire where you get more of an insight into the lion. i think they would just keep themselves to themselves and just get by. carry on surviving.

i would like to think that the iron hand would press for leadership

 Pilau Rice wrote:
Yep, so Dulan. But is that the reason for the duel you mention in Unremembered Empire?

Yes it is. There isn't really an explanation. The Space Wolf leader insists that "Honour must be satisfied" As soon as the Dark Angels disembark. Guilliman rolls his eyes and tells them to make it quick and then both participants are cordial when it is over.

 MrBlackledge wrote:
i have to side with Kor on this one. the wolves never seem too bothered about leadership. even if they were trying to prove themselves it would be in battle not necesserily with them as leaders though.

i dont think the Dark angels would expect to be in charge at all admittedly thats because i have read unremembered empire where you get more of an insight into the lion. i think they would just keep themselves to themselves and just get by. carry on surviving.

i would like to think that the iron hand would press for leadership

Not when they have been given an order to perform, but this doesn't appear to be your ordinary situation. Honestly though, any Astartes could believe that they would be best situated to be the commander but some are more likely than others. I agree with you on the First Legion, and I guess the Raven Guard and Salamander wouldn't be to worried about command. But then again, it all depends on the individual.

 KorPhaeron77 wrote:

 Pilau Rice wrote:
Yep, so Dulan. But is that the reason for the duel you mention in Unremembered Empire?

Yes it is. There isn't really an explanation. The Space Wolf leader insists that "Honour must be satisfied" As soon as the Dark Angels disembark. Guilliman rolls his eyes and tells them to make it quick and then both participants are cordial when it is over.

Ok, not sure if this is the start of the honour duel becoming a regular thing or not though as there are reportedly another 2 occasions where Russ and Lion come to blows, at least according to the old fluff.

But this could be used as a reason for the Space Wolf wanting to take command, wanting to regain their honour from missing out on the battle of Terra. Following orders got them no where apart from out of the action and on the wrong end of it.

i can imagine if the wolf took control the angel refusing to co-operate and vica versa those are the only two i cant see getting on