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Perth

just a quick question RE the newer imperial armor books on this thing.

in the original apoc book it was 10 armor rear, then in aeronatica it got lifted to 12 all around. New Apoc book it was re-written again to 10 on the back. so to the question.

Q) for those that have the new IA books HAS it been lifted BACK UP again? im only asking as this things rules has been up and down all the time, and if i need to get the newer rules for it beyond the apoc book ill look into getting a copy.

Cheers guys and girls in advance.

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Still 12/12/10 in the new IA:Apoc.

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what about the new IA:2 which came out after the apoc book, sorry for being pedantic but that would be the latest print of the rules,

thanks for the fast response though mate appreciated

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I think it's still 12/12/10, I'll have to go check.

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It's 12/12/10 in escalation as well. Yep, a stormraven has better rear armor than a vehicle 3 times it's size.

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Well, the stormraven never should have had 12 rear armour. It makes no sense in terms of game-play or fluff.

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 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Well, the stormraven never should have had 12 rear armour. It makes no sense in terms of game-play or fluff.

Having the same AV all around makes sense when the Stormraven was in essence; a flying land raider.

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 Kain wrote:
 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Well, the stormraven never should have had 12 rear armour. It makes no sense in terms of game-play or fluff.

Having the same AV all around makes sense when the Stormraven was in essence; a flying land raider.

Not that it's now a flyer it isn't. They should have really made it 12/12/10 (and even that's stretching it).

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 Co'tor Shas wrote:
 Kain wrote:
 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Well, the stormraven never should have had 12 rear armour. It makes no sense in terms of game-play or fluff.

Having the same AV all around makes sense when the Stormraven was in essence; a flying land raider.

Not that it's now a flyer it isn't. They should have really made it 12/12/10 (and even that's stretching it).

The Stormraven and Storm Eagle really aren't as hard to kill as you're making it out.


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 Kain wrote:
 Co'tor Shas wrote:
 Kain wrote:
 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Well, the stormraven never should have had 12 rear armour. It makes no sense in terms of game-play or fluff.

Having the same AV all around makes sense when the Stormraven was in essence; a flying land raider.

Not that it's now a flyer it isn't. They should have really made it 12/12/10 (and even that's stretching it).

The Stormraven and Storm Eagle really aren't as hard to kill as you're making it out.


It's not that, it's just irratating to me when a flyer (you know, those fast lightly armored things) has better rear armour than everybody's main battletank.

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 Co'tor Shas wrote:
 Kain wrote:
 Co'tor Shas wrote:
 Kain wrote:
 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Well, the stormraven never should have had 12 rear armour. It makes no sense in terms of game-play or fluff.

Having the same AV all around makes sense when the Stormraven was in essence; a flying land raider.

Not that it's now a flyer it isn't. They should have really made it 12/12/10 (and even that's stretching it).

The Stormraven and Storm Eagle really aren't as hard to kill as you're making it out.


It's not that, it's just irratating to me when a flyer (you know, those fast lightly armored things) has better rear armour than everybody's main battletank.



Not exactly light, is it?

And give the poor overcosted thing a break.

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Does that warrant it batter armour than the manta, which is actually a small starship? This is really just a egregious difference between fluff and rule thing for me.

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 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Does that warrant it batter armour than the manta, which is actually a small starship? This is really just a egregious difference between fluff and rule thing for me.

May as well buff the heavy fliers then, or start asking why the Land Raider and monolith have better rear armor than an Imperator titan.

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Perth

the IA2 book is newer than escalation just so we know, that it got released in january, escalation was a copy paste from APOC,

The stormraven should have rear armor 12, its just baffling that the Thunderhawk which is its massive sibbling, can be glanced to death by bolters......

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The problem is that super heavy flyers (and flyers in general) used to only be able o be hit by things with AA mounts. Now they die much easier because they can still be hit on 6s by anything. Superheavy flyers all need a buff, either points decrease, armour increase, to HP increase.

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 Co'tor Shas wrote:
The problem is that super heavy flyers (and flyers in general) used to only be able o be hit by things with AA mounts. Now they die much easier because they can still be hit on 6s by anything. Superheavy flyers all need a buff, either points decrease, armour increase, to HP increase.

Not quite, you could shoot at them, but if you didn't have anti-air they at best did glancing hits and still needed 6s to hit.

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Yeesh, it's been a while since I played with the old rules. I need to re-read them .

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It hardly a unarmoured Huey, that's a hevily armoured aircraft.

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Should it be more heavily armoured than a thunderhawk, no.
Should it be more heavily armoured than a manta, no.
Should it be more heavily armoured than a tigershark, no.
12/12/11 would be fine, as long as the super-heavies got boosted up to at minimum 12/12/11

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