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 pretre wrote:
Keep in mind that they are not trademarking the words. They are trademarking the words, font, image, etc and how they identify the Wood Elves line of miniatures they sell (themselves a subset of Warhammer Fantasy).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trademark

You have exactly zero basis on which to draw that conclusion. GW merely included the "TM" symbol. Did you even read that Wikipedia article, such as it is?

The symbol only denotes that GW has made some sort of common law assertion to rights of usage related to those words. GW may be demonstrating that it claims rights to a word mark, or to a logo. You simply don't know.

 Kroothawk wrote:
In my threads, the info is often in the first post (see blurry background of pic):

Kroothawk wrote:Releases of second Week:
Eternal Guard dual kit

Ah, silly me for not checking. Definitely looking forward to that Eternal Guard dual kit!

weeble1000 wrote:
You have exactly zero basis on which to draw that conclusion. GW merely included the "TM" symbol. Did you even read that Wikipedia article, such as it is?

The symbol only denotes that GW has made some sort of common law assertion to rights of usage related to those words. GW may be demonstrating that it claims rights to a word mark, or to a logo. You simply don't know.

Context. I am assuming based on placement.

For its size and options, the price doesn't seem *that* bad on the treeman.

I'd certainly consider picking one up just for the fun on trying to paint one up. Never been a big fan of playing druid- like, naturey, foresty types- they are always fun to paint though with all their browns and greens.

Also being cheaper than a Carnosaur is a plus in my book.

 pretre wrote:

weeble1000 wrote:
You have exactly zero basis on which to draw that conclusion. GW merely included the "TM" symbol. Did you even read that Wikipedia article, such as it is?

The symbol only denotes that GW has made some sort of common law assertion to rights of usage related to those words. GW may be demonstrating that it claims rights to a word mark, or to a logo. You simply don't know.

Context. I am assuming based on placement.

But you can't assume the seller's claim is restricted so specifically. GW is simply saying, "look out market. I'm selling a product and this is how I am exclusively designating its source." If anything, the context is pretty ambiguous as there are several TM symbols. Which marks are believed to be subordinate by the seller can only be guessed at, and when it comes to the law, guessing is a terrible idea, so please try to avoid making seemingly definitive statements.

Misinformation is often worse than no information.

 Accolade wrote:
Is that Treeman priced reasonably? Or are my expectations of GW so skewed now that I can't tell...

They're actually cheaper than I expected. Big monsters have been 65 euros apiece of late (or more). New Space Marine plastic characters were 25 euros each! These are just "normal GW pricey" instead of "omg that expensive GW pricey".

Treeman, I don't know, I expected something...beefier. But again, big, posable & customizable plastic kit, plenty of potential for modifications if you don't like something.

Is Shadowdancer a new miniature or metal -> Finecast conversion? Because in this day & age, you'd expect something bit better for a resin mini.

At first glance I thought I wouldn't like the new tree man, but to be honest, it's grown on me quickly. It doesn't look bad in itself, and you have to give them that it's at least a fresh take on the design. I prefer GW to be creative for once instead of trying to assert copyright over Tolkien's descriptions.

Then again...

 pretre wrote:
Keep in mind that they are not trademarking the words. They are trademarking the words, font, image, etc and how they identify the Wood Elves line of miniatures they sell (themselves a subset of Warhammer Fantasy).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trademark

That doesn't change the problem of "Wood Elves" being at best a descriptive and at worst a generic term, so no matter how many TMs they plaster across their cards, that mark simply isn't protectable. It's just the usual smoke screen from GW's legal department, no need to defend them if they're called out on it.

"Battle Magic" probably is protectable, to be fair.

 Kroothawk wrote:

Also I hate it how these new miniatures don't even pretend to be Wood Elves.
If the painter hadn't used greenish capes, you would take them for new High Elf miniatures:

Seriously?

Look at page 212 and 213(reprint of the Wood Elf army book cover) of the main WHFB rulebook or at the art of the Eternal Guard in the soon to be outdated Wood Elf army book.

Is the shadowdancer a new finecast model or have it been in finecast before ?

 Claimh_Solais wrote:
Is the shadowdancer a new finecast model or have it been in finecast before ?

It was not in Finecast before, now it is.

I like those Treemen models. I really hope Forest Spirits become more useful.

 Claimh_Solais wrote:
Is the shadowdancer a new finecast model or have it been in finecast before ?

Old model, new material.

Finally seen the better pics of the new Treemen...

They are outstanding.

Can't wait to see the book.

Is the WE General with the Horns still available?

Aside from the sword, I've flipped my opinion on the Treeman. I really like the small details they have. Looks like a nightmare to transport unless you leave it standing in a plastic bin.

Meh, don't like the new models. The Treeman is "ok", but doesn't fit GW's own aesthetic for a treeman. Why did they give it high heels for goodness sake? And the new axe/glaive/halberd dude with boobs, the GW sculptors have some real gender issues. Not to mention the stupid crab claw hand that should never have been sculpted. It you can't sculpt an open hand to reasonable quality, DON'T try and fail and release it anyway.

The Wardancer Lord and troupe are all old models so I have no real comments. Would have been nice to see new models, I wasn't a huge fan of those ones even when they came out. But I already own both the Lord and a bunch of the Wardancers so I doubt I'll be getting more.

anyone see the video on GW site? Showcase of new miniatures released and then when it gets to the army book it says its usual background, story, and stats but then also says.
"Full rules for the lore of high magic and dark magic"
Not sure what that means, as it seems they got their own magic cards. Unless they get both dark and high and gw made them into single set.

Tsilber wrote:
anyone see the video on GW site? Showcase of new miniatures released and then when it gets to the army book it says its usual background, story, and stats but then also says.
"Full rules for the lore of high magic and dark magic"
Not sure what that means, as it seems they got their own magic cards. Unless they get both dark and high and gw made them into single set.

Yes, to represent their capricious nature, Wood Elves apparently have access to both High and Dark Magic, but get their own Lore Attribute. They also allegedly have access to the 8 Lores in the rulebook too.

Why tabards on treemen? I questioned the entrail tabard on the new herald of nurgle, but now they have tabards on branch-walky-things?

Why must everything have a tabard between their legs? Can they not sculpt crotches?

 Spellbound wrote:
Why tabards on treemen? I questioned the entrail tabard on the new herald of nurgle, but now they have tabards on branch-walky-things?

Why must everything have a tabard between their legs? Can they not sculpt crotches?

Because GW thinks tabards look cool.

And honestly I think it looks kind of cool. If it's optional that's even better for those who don't want the bark-crotch flap.

I think the only thing I don't like about the Treeman is the high heels.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
No, it's not. Forest Spirits aren't daemonic in nature, they're possessed of an entirely different form of sapience derived from the genius loci of the forest itself. I guess you could say they're "daemons of athel loren", but they're not Warp-based entities.

I beg to differ. It is heavily implied they are daemons that happen to like Athel Loren. The biggest giveaway was the 5+ ward save that went away from magical attacks, exactly like the old daemons had back before they were split into their own book in 7th ed.

Anyway, my biggest question now is whether or not I'll be able to magnetize my treenan for each variant without having to buy multiple boxes.

 Krellnus wrote:

 Claimh_Solais wrote:
Is the shadowdancer a new finecast model or have it been in finecast before ?

Old model, new material.

I like how GW has stepped away from Finecast, except for the ranges they don't care about - like Wood Elves, or LotR.

This is the first non-LotR Finecast release we've seen since last year's Lizardmen release isn't it?

It's more likely that they need to internally pass a threshold of order numbers to warrant them changing the moulds to a new medium. If a range or a model within a range isn't selling strong then chances are its just not financially viable to change the moulds and rescuplt.

It's more worth their time to add new models to the WE range and boost its popularity so that the orders increase, the range gains in popularity and then the number of sales of the models will allow for a change in the casting medium.

Schmapdi wrote:

 Krellnus wrote:

 Claimh_Solais wrote:
Is the shadowdancer a new finecast model or have it been in finecast before ?

Old model, new material.

I like how GW has stepped away from Finecast, except for the ranges they don't care about - like Wood Elves, or LotR.

This is the first non-LotR Finecast release we've seen since last year's Lizardmen release isn't it?

I believe so.

Overread wrote:It's more likely that they need to internally pass a threshold of order numbers to warrant them changing the moulds to a new medium. If a range or a model within a range isn't selling strong then chances are its just not financially viable to change the moulds and rescuplt.

It's more worth their time to add new models to the WE range and boost its popularity so that the orders increase, the range gains in popularity and then the number of sales of the models will allow for a change in the casting medium.

GW uses the same moulds for finecast and metal minatures.

Well I'll be, the Treeman is not too bad. The Greenfield Grasshuggers will be happy, seems I have found what will be joining the team as Rootbranch.

 Krellnus wrote:
GW uses the same moulds for finecast and metal minatures.

They can cast the same model in metal or finecast, but it's not the same mould.

What i dont like about the treeman, and lots of otjer big fantasy kits, is there is no sence of materials.
I cant make out if stuff is made of bone, metal, wood exoskeletal pieces or what.
The result is a messy and undefined paintjob that basicly just show of painting techniques (again, with no feel for the material its supposed to represent).
Sure, the paintjob loks smoothly blended and glowing. But most of the time I wonder why stuff is glowing that seem to be mundane objects or just highlights.
Its been bugging me for a while.

 Fayric wrote:
What i dont like about the treeman, and lots of otjer big fantasy kits, is there is no sence of materials.
I cant make out if stuff is made of bone, metal, wood exoskeletal pieces or what.
The result is a messy and undefined paintjob that basicly just show of painting techniques (again, with no feel for the material its supposed to represent).
Sure, the paintjob loks smoothly blended and glowing. But most of the time I wonder why stuff is glowing that seem to be mundane objects or just highlights.
Its been bugging me for a while.

That's true, that's probably part of the reason it's really not doing anything for me (alongside the high heels, that it looks like a wraithknight and that it looks too "fast" to be a treeman).

There's no cohesive aesthetic, it's just "stuff", lots of "stuff", in the shape of a humanoid with some branches hanging off it. Funnily enough, some of the artwork they showed in the video they posted actually has a far more cohesive aesthetic than the model itself.

My Wood Elves have been sitting in my drawer for a long time... sadly what we've seen so far isn't inspiring me to pull them out. Have to see what the rules look like. I actually really dislike the hooded heads GW does for plastic models, so flat and doesn't flow at all, that's true of the old Glade Guard and also the new popeye infantry we are getting.

Dost my eyes decieveth me????

Are these models...at a reasonable price!*GASP!* The massive 6 inch tall, beautifully modeled Treeman which can be made into 3 different models, one being a special character is under £40. The Wardancer Troupe of 10 metal models including command AND a Character is only £36, 1 pound more then Wych Elves?

I am sensing i am going to like this release.

 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
Dost my eyes decieveth me????

Are these models...at a reasonable price!*GASP!* The massive 6 inch tall, beautifully modeled Treeman which can be made into 3 different models, one being a special character is under £40. The Wardancer Troupe of 10 metal models including command AND a Character is only £36, 1 pound more then Wych Elves?

I am sensing i am going to like this release.

The character is finecast.

BOOM.