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 Vaktathi wrote:
To be fair, they're really just standardizing it from its previous incarnation. They're giving it a flat 10" diameter template instead of a random 8-12" blast.

It was also S10 AP1 no cover in its previous incarnation as well.

*Nothing* new here really.


I'm only assuming this is now news to people because nobody used it previously as the damn thing wouldn't ever actually fire before it got killed previously (at best going off turn 2 on a 5+) whereas now it has a higher chance of getting to fire each turn (now goes off turn 2 on a 3+) and doesn't suffer penalties for shaken/stunned anymore.

Yeah it's easier to use now because you actually have a template to check with instead of manually measuring the radius. I'm okay with this sort of "forcing" of apoc rules because it's fairly innocent and makes the Deathstrike slightly less useless.

Frankly the deathstrike was hilarious amount of fun when it was more useless.
Take 3 and play a fun kind of russian roulette every turn.
Only the twist is, EVERYONE WINS!

You're expecting a nuke not to have a huge blast radius? Anyway "10" blast is going to make it easy to hit your own soldiers.

What? Can you believe that power armor is getting a +3 save? I mean, talk about OP. Now every Space Marine's going to save on a 3 or higher. Come on! That's it. GW is DEAD TO ME!!!
AAaaahhh!!!

Too bad they had to take they image down...

Anyways the chassis for the Deathstrike got a buff, going to 12-12-10 non-opentopped, so who knows with some camo-netting you might be able to let your nuke loose.

I'm quite enjoining this discussion. First we were complaining about randomness, not that GW took the randomness out of something we are complaining about that.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
I'm quite enjoining this discussion. First we were complaining about randomness, not that GW took the randomness out of something we are complaining about that.

Exactly. There's a lot to criticize about GW, but it's gotten to the point where it's toxic and GW can't do anything now without people decrying the end of the world.

 MWHistorian wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
I'm quite enjoining this discussion. First we were complaining about randomness, not that GW took the randomness out of something we are complaining about that.

Exactly. There's a lot to criticize about GW, but it's gotten to the point where it's toxic and GW can't do anything now without people decrying the end of the world.

"we" aren't complaining about this. One guy is, and everyone else is making fun of him for it. I would have guessed you both hadn't read past the first post, but MWH really has no excuse. You have clearly read Co's post, so probably everything before it too.

 ace101 wrote:
Too bad they had to take they image down...

Anyways the chassis for the Deathstrike got a buff, going to 12-12-10 non-opentopped, so who knows with some camo-netting you might be able to let your nuke loose.

They were always 12/12/10 and closed topped, so no buff. Also, they use plasma based warheads and not nukes.

The real buff comes in the form of a much better chance to fire. These things are actually not bad now, although far from great. I did hear someone mention three of them with fateweaver being a fun list, although I don't know if AM are battle brothers with daemons. Does fateweaver even need battle brothers for his reroll?

 Purifier wrote:

 MWHistorian wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
I'm quite enjoining this discussion. First we were complaining about randomness, not that GW took the randomness out of something we are complaining about that.

Exactly. There's a lot to criticize about GW, but it's gotten to the point where it's toxic and GW can't do anything now without people decrying the end of the world.

"we" aren't complaining about this. One guy is, and everyone else is making fun of him for it. I would have guessed you both hadn't read past the first post, but MWH really has no excuse. You have clearly read Co's post, so probably everything before it too.

Maybe because I see this as a pattern from many other threads and not just this one?

 MWHistorian wrote:

 Purifier wrote:

 MWHistorian wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
I'm quite enjoining this discussion. First we were complaining about randomness, not that GW took the randomness out of something we are complaining about that.

Exactly. There's a lot to criticize about GW, but it's gotten to the point where it's toxic and GW can't do anything now without people decrying the end of the world.

"we" aren't complaining about this. One guy is, and everyone else is making fun of him for it. I would have guessed you both hadn't read past the first post, but MWH really has no excuse. You have clearly read Co's post, so probably everything before it too.

Maybe because I see this as a pattern from many other threads and not just this one?

So although this thread is not at all what you described it to be, you see it as a part of a pattern legitimising your whine? I think I see a pattern here...

You're very sensitive about this topic, aren't you? Okay, I'll explain.
The OP started a thread saying how a unit in the new AM codex broke the game even though it was essentially the same in the last codex.
I thought that was funny in an absurd, sad sort of way. how have I mis-characterized the OP's topic?

I'll take three manticores anyways... deathstikes blow.

 Orock wrote:
GW is making getting out of their game easier and easier every day.

You do realize that it could have a 6" radius AoE before, right? The 5" radius AoE used now is technically a nerf.

Wow, OP, you made my day.

Yeah, Deathstrike with 2 inches bigger blast is reason to quit...damned GW, they did it again! And beware, Rough Riders...I have heard their sergeant can fire two laspistols! Its clearly out of control!

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
If it's following the Apocalyptic Blast template rules than the center 5" is S10, AP1, but the next 5" is S8, AP4.

You're thinking of the Apocoplyptic Mega Blast, the 15" one. The Apoclyptic blast is the same Str and AP for the entire template.
Mega Blast also doesn't have a set Str and AP for the rings, they are listed under the weapon (which if this was a AMB, would mean 15" Str 10 AP1... more powerful than an orbital strike)

You're right. My mistake.

Well I'm refraining from flipping tables until I see the full rules for the Deathstrike (and it's point cost).

It's...not that terrifying.
It has a 5" radius AoE, resolved at S10 AP1, no cover. It may not fire directly.
Which may seem scary at first, until you realize that if it scatters (with no reduction), it has a good chance of nuking the other guy's units as well. Which is hilarious, albeit impractical.
It has a 50% chance of launching on the second turn, and the launch chance increases with every passing turn. However, the chance decreases for every weapon destroyed result it receives (the nuke is not destroyed. Though blowing up the nuke when it is still in the launcher would have also been hilarious )

Price wise, it is worth 4 Lychguard / Praetorians / Terminators / Destroyers

I have to say though, for a nuke the blast radius is pretty small. Maybe it's a small yield tactical nuke. Ah well, still fun.



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 UlrikDecado wrote:
Wow, OP, you made my day.

And beware, Rough Riders...I have heard their sergeant can fire two laspistols! Its clearly out of control!

Yeah, rough riders can duel wield whilst commissars can't! This totally breaks my immersion in the game. AmQuittingNowKTanksBye.

 purplefood wrote:
Frankly the deathstrike was hilarious amount of fun when it was more useless.
Take 3 and play a fun kind of russian roulette every turn.
Only the twist is, EVERYONE WINS!

I still think the old version, prior to the IG FAQ was even more fun though...

"What do you mean I only have a 960" range?! It's a 40k nuke-equivalent - it should be unlimited range for nuking whole planets man!"

Experiment 626 wrote:

 purplefood wrote:
Frankly the deathstrike was hilarious amount of fun when it was more useless.
Take 3 and play a fun kind of russian roulette every turn.
Only the twist is, EVERYONE WINS!

I still think the old version, prior to the IG FAQ was even more fun though...

"What do you mean I only have a 960" range?! It's a 40k nuke-equivalent - it should be unlimited range for nuking whole planets man!"

"What do you mean you survived? No one survives the Deathstrike!!!"

MWH is correct. This is symptomatic of the vitriol people love to show against GW. GW does some pretty stupid things, but rage quitting every time something changes is getting a little old.

Well, it fires on a 4 or higher, but gets +1 for every turn it hasn't moved. Turn 1, it CAN'T fire, so there's a +1 right there. Turn two, you don't move, that's +2, so it fires on a 2+.

Now, if you go first, your opponent has turn 1 to try and stop it before it fires up. Hope they spread out well from their initial deployment!

Wakshaani wrote:
Well, it fires on a 4 or higher, but gets +1 for every turn it hasn't moved. Turn 1, it CAN'T fire, so there's a +1 right there. Turn two, you don't move, that's +2, so it fires on a 2+.

Now, if you go first, your opponent has turn 1 to try and stop it before it fires up. Hope they spread out well from their initial deployment!

It only fires once though, after that you're a Heavy Bolter platform waiting to die!

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Wakshaani wrote:
Well, it fires on a 4 or higher, but gets +1 for every turn it hasn't moved. Turn 1, it CAN'T fire, so there's a +1 right there. Turn two, you don't move, that's +2, so it fires on a 2+.

Now, if you go first, your opponent has turn 1 to try and stop it before it fires up. Hope they spread out well from their initial deployment!

It only fires once though, after that you're a Heavy Bolter platform waiting to die!

No, you are a heavy flamer platform with increased side armour, driving around as cover, tank shocking and burning things.