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All trolls aside, I'm looking at how to build a very competitive GK army, and I really want to use Crowe and avoid using Coteaz. Is it possible? And what's more, is it competitive?

How would you guys go about it?

I really don't feel like wading through a sea of "Army Lists", but I will say lots of Eldar / 'crons / Chaos players in the local meta.

Just trying to figure out a list before I buy the units.

Crons and Chaos you want to avoid getting close to, and Eldar you want to bum rush those guys. So how are you going to get a list to counter close as well as long range attacks?

2000 points: Draigo, Librarian, 2 squads of paladins with banners. good luck killing them.

 viewfinder wrote:
2000 points: Draigo, Librarian, 2 squads of paladins with banners. good luck killing them.

Draigo is a bamf

So Draigowing is still a living thing?

 BladeTX wrote:
So Draigowing is still a living thing?

anything is a thing if used properly. It faded because of flavor-of-the-month players who abandoned it for Tau and Eldar.

I just got rid of my GK army, not too long ago after years of play.

This is what I learnt...

Draigowing is NOT a thing anymore... It dies way too easily now. Tau, Eldar and Marines just murder it.

Spamming Dreadknights works... Like really well. There is a GK player in my meta who still plays this. He's just added a Knight to his army this week. We are all going to die.

Crowe does work, but you have to be really careful as to how your use your guys. Flyers pose little threat as you can drown them in mass Psycannon fire. Crowespam has bad games vs Tau (unless you get into CC, then it's faceroll time) and Chaos (Those stupid fething Heldrakes and Ectoplasma Fiends).

Never used Coateaz, so I cannot comment.

I hope this helps.

I've still been using Draigowing to good effect in my area. It does die to some things in the area, but it's been soaking the entire enemy army's fire for several turns to die out typically. And it's been absolutely murdering tyranids. It depends on who you face really.

Draigowing actually still works pretty well. You should read Jy2's batreps with them to find out how to use them.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/recentTopics/showTopicsByUser/0/23113/17.page
I personally like to mix in some red hunters to give tank hunter/monster hunter and skyfire when and where I need it.

Crowe purifiers is decent but struggles heavily with many of the top tier builds.

Coteaz is nice to give you cheap troops and let you take more of the heavy hitters.

The biggest question is Escalation and/or Stronghold Assault being used in your meta? GKs can actually make one of the more powerful escalation armies and benefit more than most from void shields and defense networks.

Coteaz is too good to pass up IMO

Puscifer wrote:
Spamming Dreadknights works... Like really well. There is a GK player in my meta who still plays this. He's just added a Knight to his army this week. We are all going to die.

I tried this last week and my 3 dreadknights marched through a Tau gunline demolishing and or incinerating each piece as it went along. It was a 2 vs. 2 so I can't really say how well it would work with no support, but the 3 DKs basically just mulched a majority of this Tau gunline without a second thought.

Well, I think three DKs are working pretty well. You'll have to build a list around them, say using Mordrak and his Ghosts for an alpha strike.

Personally every time I start wish listing a GK list I start with 3 Stormravens, 3 Dreadknights, and Coteaz.

Awesome! Thanks for all the help y'all. I think 3 DKs sounds quite intimidating, and will work just fine.

Now that I've been playing around with lists, I've noticed GK doesn't get much infantry for capturing points, comparatively. How do you GK players keep from getting templat-ed to death? lol

Coteaz. Inq henchmen in chimeras.

Most people put minimum henchmen (coteaz to make them troops) units in their stormravens and use whatever survives to capture objectives.

Another alternative is in a draigowing you can take 1 paladin units which are pretty survivable and DS them. You use psychic powers to try and keep them in reserves until turn 4 so you can keep them alive.

Otherwise GK greatest weakness is lack of scoring bodies (and lack of bodies in general).

3 storm ravens and 3 dread knights FTW

Strongest GK Builds Right now focus on DreadKnights (multiple) StormRavens, and Interceptors.

I personally still run Terminators and just rely on Prescienced S5 Stormbolters and Psycannons for AA when necessary.

 BladeTX wrote:
Awesome! Thanks for all the help y'all. I think 3 DKs sounds quite intimidating, and will work just fine.

Now that I've been playing around with lists, I've noticed GK doesn't get much infantry for capturing points, comparatively. How do you GK players keep from getting templat-ed to death? lol

3 DKs works very well. The key is to go all in and fight the battle in your opponent's deployment zone, and yes that means placing your objectives there sometimes. There are 2 ways to capture points: Use lots of henchmen to camp them (your backfield), or use scoring dreadknights to burn/smash your opponents off. I personally prefer the latter...you don't have enough bodies to hold objectives and fight them enemy, so I usually try to kill everyone then consolidate at the end (usually this works).

The reason why a mordrak+dreadknight list works well is that you get 4-5 units in your opponents deployment zone turn 1...units that are individually scary in CC, and can wipe other units off the board. It's very difficult to kill them all on that initial shooting phase (for most armies), and whatever you have left will tie up that many units in CC for your turn 2 deepstrike and turn 3 secondary assault. The key to avoid getting shot is to get into CC asap. Granted, this works best against a gunline but it's not like you have to shunt forward if you don't want to. Your hard counter is an SM grav-bike list, but that's going to hurt bad no matter what list you play.

Troops for a "shunt list" are to taste, but I prefer terminators so I don't have to worry about heldrakes. and at least get an invul against the few flyers that can reliably hurt my guys. As an aside, I'm currently working on a list that will basically have 3 dreadknights and 2 knights to see how it works, with mordrak or a GM making some of the dreadknights scoring. I think that knights are going to be the future of a shunt list just because they make your alpha strike generally more potent; heavy incinerators aren't nearly as good against MEQ or vehicles as battle/melta cannons.

Current GK builds prefer Dreadknights, Coteaz Henchmen, a Librarian, and Stormravens with the days of purifiers, paladins, and psyfledreads being long past. . Necron allies are surprisingly popular since they work rather well together.

 viewfinder wrote:
2000 points: Draigo, Librarian, 2 squads of paladins with banners. good luck killing them.

Demolisher/Iontide/Boosted Tesseract Arc/Baneblade/Distortion weapon/Mechanized Dark Eldar ("what's that? Your guns only have 24'' range and are now only 18'' because of my night shields and are thus never going to get to shoot at me? Too bad, trolololol") bait.

Purifying flame still murders hordes, and although the Dreadknight is expensive, he is awesome at deleting 4+ units. I think Purgation squads might be worth looking at. A 5 man squad with 4 spy cannons will kick out a scary armount of S7 Rending goodness, all without requiring LoS

Oh, and Psybolt ammo is still awesome.

Watch out for those spy cannons...you never see them coming.

My favorite Purifier loadout:

5 Purgators
-Justicar (Halberd, Teleport Homer)
-2 Psycannons
-2 Incinerators
---Rhino

There's a lot of utility in that cheap little unit.

PapaSoul wrote:
Purifying flame still murders hordes, and although the Dreadknight is expensive, he is awesome at deleting 4+ units. I think Purgation squads might be worth looking at. A 5 man squad with 4 spy cannons will kick out a scary armount of S7 Rending goodness, all without requiring LoS

Oh, and Psybolt ammo is still awesome.

When I think Grey-Knights, I don't quite think of them shooting James Bond out of a gun.

Dreadknights are also great at murdering other monstrous creatures due to wounding pretty much all of them on 2s, striking at initiative, dealing out instant death, and having a 5++ to protect them.

 Kain wrote:
Dreadknights are also great at murdering other monstrous creatures due to wounding pretty much all of them on 2s, striking at initiative, dealing out instant death, and having a 5++ to protect them.

Don't forget you can make them I10 with quicksilver.