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Primary Detachment
HQ
Pask in a Punisher, heavy bolter sponsons - 490
Exterminator
Exterminator

TROOP
Veterans, x3 meltaguns, Chimera - 155
Veterans, x3 meltaguns, Chimera - 155

HEAVY
Wyvern - 65
Wyvern - 65
Wyvern - 65

Allied Detachment
HQ
Temptestus Command, x4 meltaguns - 125

Scions, x2 meltaguns - 90
Scions, x2 meltaguns - 90
Scions, x2 meltaguns - 90
Scions, x2 meltaguns - 90

Notes: 20 points left over; it's a rough draft. Lots of scoring units, lots of meltaguns, lots of troop-killing bombardment and dakka. Pask & Co. should be able to slaughter a monstrous creature or two each turn, too.

I like it a lot, to be honest. The HQ selection is great whether or not you can pull off the Split Fire order, the Wyverns should splat infantry pretty well in combination with the Command Tanks. You've got enough melta to take out tanks pretty well on the drop, although maybe I'd swap some for plasma. Contrary to the beliefs of the Sisters of Battle, there is such thing as too much melta. A plasma or two would give you a better chance at MC/TEQ-killing

I'd suggest putting an augur on one of the Chimeras or the Punisher, to give the Scions a safe drop zone.

The only thing I'm not seeing is anti-air. Do you not see fliers, or is it worth adding in a Vendetta or Hydra somewhere? In a smaller list it wouldn't be a issue, but at 1500 you're pretty likely to see a flier or two, even in casual games.

You can't have 4 allied troop choices, only 2. I am trying a similar allied detachment, although I went with:

Command - Plasma pistol, vox, medic, 2x plasma

10x Scion +2MG, vox
10x Scion +2MG, vox

The command is bloated though, may swap the medic for plasma. The vox is vital in my opinion, you really don't want to fail order checks. I also think that some sort of reserve manipulation is needed, just to make the scions more likely to come in together. So an OoF or divination trying to get Scryer's.

 Trickstick wrote:
You can't have 4 allied troop choices,

Although if you're prepared to squadron the Wyverns, you could make the MT primary with no real change. Failing that, you could even just throw the MT into an AM elites slot, and have them all show up on one reserve roll. You lose the MT orders, but gain reliability.

Wow, can't believe I forgot the FOC. I don't do allies much.

Drop two Scion squads for a Vendetta, maybe?

Trickstick, I'd go more firepower over the medic. I feel like IG toughness is just too low to make FNP worth it. YMMV.

2 Scion squads for a Vendetta seems a fair trade, covers you for AA and you've still got plenty of Melta. The Russes and Wvyerns are going to be the real hard-hitters of this list, the infantry will be mostly mopping up.

 Paradigm wrote:

 Trickstick wrote:
You can't have 4 allied troop choices,

Although if you're prepared to squadron the Wyverns, you could make the MT primary with no real change. Failing that, you could even just throw the MT into an AM elites slot, and have them all show up on one reserve roll. You lose the MT orders, but gain reliability.

I don't mind squadroning the Wyverns too much, but I'd hate to lose Pask's Preferred Enemy since it's as a Warlord trait. Really makes Rending pay off against MCs.

 plus1jeremy wrote:
Trickstick, I'd go more firepower over the medic. I feel like IG toughness is just too low to make FNP worth it. YMMV.

Yeah, the medic is a hold over from using MT primary, as I was protecting my warlord. I wouldn't use MT primary btw, the trait table isn't great. It has some good things but also bad things, the AM one (or Pask) is more reliable.

 Paradigm wrote:
2 Scion squads for a Vendetta seems a fair trade, covers you for AA and you've still got plenty of Melta. The Russes and Wvyerns are going to be the real hard-hitters of this list, the infantry will be mostly mopping up.

Yeah, I think the Vendetta could be worth it. I'd slot those Scions into Elites, but their whole point is to be deep striking scoring units.

Revised list:

Primary Detachment
HQ
Pask in a Punisher, heavy bolter sponsons - 490
Exterminator
Exterminator

TROOP
Veterans, x3 plasma guns, Chimera - 170
Veterans, x3 plasma guns, Chimera - 170

FAST
Vendetta - 170

HEAVY
Wyvern - 65
Wyvern - 65
Wyvern - 65

Allied Detachment
HQ
Temptestus Command, x4 meltaguns - 125

TROOP
Scions, x2 meltaguns - 90
Scions, x2 meltaguns - 90

Notes: Plasmavets instead of meltavets, leaving the melta to deep strike with the stormtroopers. I feel odd about a single Vendetta. I much prefer pairs of things. I could drop an Exterminator and pull the Vets back to melta, maybe? Anyway, I think this is strong.

I think that's fine now. The Vendetta and Scions handle AT, the Wyverns and Russes take hordes and light vehicles apart. The Plasma-vets shouldn't be afraid to disembark and blast something unless you're running low on scoring.

I wouldn't worry about another Vendetta unless you have a serious flier problem, I think it's fine as is.

I'm going by the last version of the list.

So why Chimera over Taurox. The Taurox saves you 15 points fir no real downside.

I prefer the Executioners as support to Pask as PE is great on what is one of the best tanks in the codex anyway.

Wyverns are a volume fire unit I'd put them all into 1 unit its all about piling on the wounds with them.

Taurox might be the way to go. I was thinking of the armor, but it's not a big difference. Plus, the Taurox has more fun guns.

Executioners are a maybe. I like avoiding the scatter, plus no Gets Hot. PE would get around that Gets Hot roll though.

I'm not using any other heavy slots, so no reason to squadron the Wyverns. They can still shoot the same targets, and Twin-Linked means I'm likely to hit pretty often.

I think if I swapped to Tauroxes, I'd use the extra 30 points to give one an Augur Array and smoke launchers. Alternatively, I could drop Pask's sponsons and give them both Augur Arrays. Getting my stormies a safe landing could be well worth the 50 points.

 plus1jeremy wrote:
I think if I swapped to Tauroxes, I'd use the extra 30 points to give one an Augur Array and smoke launchers. Alternatively, I could drop Pask's sponsons and give them both Augur Arrays. Getting my stormies a safe landing could be well worth the 50 points.

In all honesty I think that getting more bodies for your Scions could be a better idea... they have move through cover anyway so you will never be taking a dangerous terrain test when you drop/scatter them onto something other than enemy units. Also - no player with IQ higher than that of a tree stump would ever let you get the Array Taurox anywhere near for your melta troops to threaten his army. Those 50pts will most the times be used because you already paid the point cost and you don't want it to go to waste. If you want to scatter less, even better idea would be allying in an inquisitor with Servo Skulls and you could most likely squeeze him in with the points saved up by taking Tauroxes and maybe some tiny tweak. Then you could use Skulls to either make safe landing zones or to lure the enemy into right spot for deep strike ambush should he want to move something near the Skull to trigger it's auto-destruction.

Overall I like the idea, although depending almost fully on meltas held by t3 infantry to do your anti-tank work might be tricky.

I appreciate that input. The Scions are fairly fragile. My thinking is, they won't be landing until the Vets are in range anyhow, so that's a fair number of targets to draw fire. Plus, the Vendetta shows up at about the same time as backup AT.

You're probably right about the Augur Arrays. Tauroxes are really too flimsy to sink 50 extra points into. I'm probably safe landing without any help.

An Inquisitor may be a strong inclusion. I haven't picked up that Codex, but maybe it's time.

 plus1jeremy wrote:
An Inquisitor may be a strong inclusion. I haven't picked up that Codex, but maybe it's time.

Unfortunately nowadays most the times Inquisition seems to be such a great addition to almost any AM force that everyone finds it to be an auto-include because there's no real reason to not take them, especially that they do not take up an allied detachment slot, so you're free to ally in whatever else you want.

Have you considered dropping Pask? You're paying 40 more points(than for a tank commander) for the crack shot and one assured warlord trait. While Crack Shot sounds really nice, remember that the Punisher is already a fantastic tank and with 20 shots on the main gun, two melta sponsons and hull lascannon the Crack Shot seems like an overkill, and it also would free up some more points to spend on scions with special guns, I mean.. whatever you point Punishers at will most likely be wiped from existence. Then again overkill is something fairly desirable in 40k, so maybe it wouldn't be that much of a bad idea.. I'd still recommend trying both Pask and regular Tank Commander lists to see if it's worth taking Pask, because there is a chance you could find something better to spend the points on!

Primaris are cheaper and do the same thing except for servo skulls. That's the reason you wouldn't take an Inquisitor.

 FlingitNow wrote:
Primaris are cheaper and do the same thing except for servo skulls. That's the reason you wouldn't take an Inquisitor.

The thing is that the skulls are 60% of the reason to take an Inquisitor - they both provide you with tactical options to control your opponent's movement AND reduce scatter on EVERYTHING - from blasts to deep strike. Add being a psyker, having pretty nice stats(especially when compared to rest of Astra Militarum / Militarum Tempestus units) and some fine customizability when it comes to loadouts.

It gives you a much softer and easier to get STW and removes Pasks PE.

Fielded this the other day for the first time, against an MC-heavy Tyranid list. It did not go well. The Scions were too fragile, and I was hurting for scoring units.

The Pask unit was very effective. The Wyverns did their jobs, clearing off Termagaunts by the handfuls.

I think there's decent bones, but my meta is too MC-heavy. This list needs more punch against them. Lascannons, command squads for orders, and much as I love the Pask unit, I think I can get more guns for those points.