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Wait.. 150$ is not a.joke????? What?

You can buy those tools from any hardware store for.like 30$ or so....

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Blacksails wrote:
Knife is overpowered.

I hear the drill got nerfed.


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 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
I'll agree with that

the only true bit of junk in their tools has to be the paint 'sprayer' (aka blocky the blocky thing)

It'd be better if it could hook up to a compressor, then it'd basically be a siphon-feed airbrush. The real issue is the canned air because it has a nasty habit of freezing the paint.

I found an adapter online that worked out well, but now I have a grown up airbrush

 Kroothawk wrote:
The kit will come in at $150 US and has a file, clippers, modeling knife, moulding line knife, hand drill and comes in a special foldout canvas case.

This is a joke/troll post, right? Surely not even GW can think that $150 for a few dollars worth of tools is a good idea.

 Peregrine wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:
The kit will come in at $150 US and has a file, clippers, modeling knife, moulding line knife, hand drill and comes in a special foldout canvas case.

This is a joke/troll post, right? Surely not even GW can think that $150 for a few dollars worth of tools is a good idea.

You say that, but then looking at a lot of their bundles and stuff I can't help but get the impression no one thinks things through and looks at the end price. Someone says 'hey, lets bundle some hobby tools together', someone else does it and adds the already overpriced tools together, giving us something absurd like $150, and no one points out how dumb it is.

it'll be the special foldout canvas case, they'll regard that as being worth $100, it's probably got a skull/imperium logo on it.

They won't think that anyone else will regard it as a $10 tool roll or a nuisance.

 cincydooley wrote:
I dunno, I have the knife, pin vise, and clippers and they're all loads more comfortable than any of the other knvies, pin vises, or clippers I have.

Though Harbor Freight has a knife for $4.99 that is a pretty close second.

Comfort is worth paying for for some people, I guess.

It's not enough to defend GWS's tools, you must also imply all other tools are lesser.

I myself owned the GWS drill, which I thought looked really good. The bits slipped, and the chuck was so smooth it was difficult to tighten it adequately. It didn't ultimately matter because it broke within an hour, anyway. I was able to get a refund for it. I replaced it with a Hobbico pin vise, which I have used for 5 years without issue.

I use these for snips, one of these for a knife - very good, and blades are easy to find and long lasting, and so on. I found the Citadel brushes to be a decent - not good - value for the money. All of the ones I have used have shed hairs and eventually become unusable. I now use W&N Series 7 and they have held up much better.

I can't believe it is going to be US$150. That would be twice the price that they were. I genuinely think that someone has got there wires crossed and that is the AU$ amount. Then it would be about AU$30 more than now, but with a case. That would make much more sense.

On the quality side, I have never had a problem with GW tools. I have a GW saw and a drill. Both of them have been fine for years and the handles are nice to hold IMO. They are more expensive than you can get elsewhere, but if you don't know what you are buying then, like there brushes, it is a good way to get good enough quality tools.

 Sean_OBrien wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
And the only hobby store outside of my FLGS caters to airplanes and trains and I didn't see any there either.

They will have Xuron and Zona tools - unless they don't want anyone to actually do anything with their kits...but that is GW's business plan. Those are a staple of model railroading and model airplane building, and I haven't seen a store in 30 years that didn't carry them.

I might give them another look assuming I can get there during business hours. Joys of being a college student, when I'm in class is pretty much the only time when places like that are open (small local stores).

 Sean_OBrien wrote:
HD and Lowes generally will have them in the Electrical Departments as opposed to tools - stuff like this:

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Klein-Tools-5-in-Lightweight-Flush-Cutter-D275-5/100647983

Oh in theory they should but I've looked before and all they had were the big heavy duty wire cutters. Then again it also took me trips to several stores (to include HD and Lowes) just to get a ratchet that didn't have a handle designed for a child.

 Sean_OBrien wrote:
If you have a HD and a Lowes - there has to be a Radio Shack in town. Just the way it is here in the States. Somewhere behind all the cell phones, you should find their soldering and electronics tools and something like this:

http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3932532&clickid=prod_cs

Very comfortable handle with a nice flush grind on the cutting blades.

I don't have high hopes with RS because I've been to a few in the past that were pretty poorly stocked and were relying more on selling electronic toys than anything else. I can give the local one a go though, assuming I can figure out where it is. I've been by the area its supposed to be but haven't seen it, but maybe I just overlooked it.


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Schmapdi wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
(we do have a Joann's but good luck finding anything in there).

Hey - don't knock JoAnn’s - I've been in there a few times and they actually have a surprisingly amount of useful hobby goodness. You'd be surprised.

I mean more in the "good luck" because the store is a disaster of poor organization, none of the aisles are labeled and you can easily spend hours wandering around just trying to find the most basic of things.


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 Peregrine wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:
The kit will come in at $150 US and has a file, clippers, modeling knife, moulding line knife, hand drill and comes in a special foldout canvas case.

This is a joke/troll post, right? Surely not even GW can think that $150 for a few dollars worth of tools is a good idea.

Sounds like Aussie or NZ pricing honestly.

 marv335 wrote:

 sing your life wrote:
GW already has a very large range of tools. they are high-quality but cost to much

They are by no means high quality.

Exept they are, because use the clippers and drill for about a year now and really like them, though I wouldn't buy them again if they broke.

The spray gun works good with the compressor, it just feels cheap and sprays paint everywhere.

 sing your life wrote:

 marv335 wrote:

 sing your life wrote:
GW already has a very large range of tools. they are high-quality but cost to much

They are by no means high quality.

Exept they are, because use the clippers and drill for about a year now and really like them, though I wouldn't buy them again if they broke.

The spray gun works good with the compressor, it just feels cheap and sprays paint everywhere.

Except they're not.
I have a variety of tools from a selection of suppliers, the GW ones are the lowest quality.
The jaws of the clippers are not properly hardened, and deform easily, are improperly aligned, and not sharp.

The pin vice is poorly made, the nurling on the tool is too shallow for proper grip.

The needle files aren't bad, but limited in shape.
I've not seen two sculpting tools the same.

The spray gun is cheaply made, and the hose is prone to splitting.

If you're of the opinion that the tools are high quality, then you need experience of better tools.

 sing your life wrote:

 marv335 wrote:

 sing your life wrote:
GW already has a very large range of tools. they are high-quality but cost to much

They are by no means high quality.

Exept they are, because use the clippers and drill for about a year now and really like them, though I wouldn't buy them again if they broke.

Why wouldn't you buy them again?

The spray gun works good with the compressor, it just feels cheap and sprays paint everywhere.

You're arguing they are good quality, and then mentioning how poor quality they are...

150$ must be a joke. Miniatures might be a mistery to a parent pricewise but any male (especially in the US) knows the price of tools.

M.

Crikey. I thought the Tamiya branded stuff was overpriced, but this is a whole different level.

And the Tamiya tools are actually high quality, if expensive.

 ultimentra wrote:
Speaking of tools, does anyone have recommendations for what I used to make the holes for magnetizing Leman Russ weapon options? I usually use an xacto knife, but I'm looking into something nicer and easier. I already have the magnets, just need something to drill the holes.

Pin vice:



You can get them at hobby stores (Michaels and Hobby Lobby) or home improvement store (Home Depot or Lowes). Then get a drill bit that's the same size as your magnets from the same home improvement store.

Herzlos wrote:

 sing your life wrote:

 marv335 wrote:

 sing your life wrote:
GW already has a very large range of tools. they are high-quality but cost to much

They are by no means high quality.

Exept they are, because use the clippers and drill for about a year now and really like them, though I wouldn't buy them again if they broke.

Why wouldn't you buy them again?

If you had actually read my posts, you would know I said the price exceeds the (albeit high) quality of these products

The spray gun works good with the compressor, it just feels cheap and sprays paint everywhere.

You're arguing they are good quality, and then mentioning how poor quality they are...

spray gun is lower quality than the other citadel tools

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I gotta wonder if those supporting the overpriced GW tools have actually used *other* tools by different companies?

GW tools have been serviceable but there is absolutely no reason to buy them over better high quality tools unless you enjoy wasting money (Sorta how I feel about those who buy models directly from the GW store).

The pin vice is excellent, and I've used a few others that buddies own. I stand by my statement that (so far) they're my favorite.

Hobby Knives? No. Exacto Kinfe with comfortable rubber grip from Hobby Lobby does just fine.

File? No thanks. Hobby Lobby files are fine.

Clippers? I use a decent pair I got at Home Depot. I have no idea how good GW's is.

Moulding line knife? No idea. I use the same hobby knife above.

The GW clippers are excellent, the only tool of their I use. Evreything else they produce can be obtained at greater quality and lower prices elsewhere.

The current GW knife is shocking. I've actually got a few of the old black ones with the retracable baldes which where much better and still serve me very well. Replacement Swann Morton blades can be picked up online for a song.

The real rip off from GW however is their glues and basing stuff. It honestly amazes me that anyone would pay £5.10 for offical GW PVA glue when you can get 500ml bottles of the stuff from poundland.

Then there is the matter of £5 for 100 grams of sand!

I've had the same experience as Kronk, more or less.

Not bought any GW tools myself bar the odd paintbrush here and there, whilst not the best they certainly aren't bad at all.

I've used a few of the GW tools such as the clippers and hobbyknife and I was pleasantly surprised, they aren't anywhere near as bad as people are making them out to be.

That said, as with everything that has a Games Workshop stamp on it, they're very expensive for what they are.

 sing your life wrote:
Why wouldn't you buy them again?

If you had actually read my posts, you would know I said the price exceeds the (albeit high) quality of these products

But they're really not high quality. I bought a set of GW clippers to replace some cheapo ones that were starting to go blunt after a couple of years of use (I frequently used them on metal models as well). Out of the box the GW ones were barely any better, and within a couple of weeks of only cutting plastic, they were more blunt than my old cheapo ones that I'd put through the mill over several years.

They still work, but they clearly do more damage to the model when clipping from the sprues than my older cheapo ones, so I only use them for things I don't really care about.

I can confirm the following Euro prices:
Knife 20€ (was 12.50 €)
Drill 22 € (was 13 €)
Clippers 24 € (was 12.50 €)
File Set 15 €
Sculpting Tool Set 20 €
Flash Remove Tools 13 € (was 10.50 €)
Tool Set 117 €

GW again went for the traditional doubling of prices for comparable new products.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 sing your life wrote:
Why wouldn't you buy them again?

If you had actually read my posts, you would know I said the price exceeds the (albeit high) quality of these products

But they're really not high quality. I bought a set of GW clippers to replace some cheapo ones that were starting to go blunt after a couple of years of use (I frequently used them on metal models as well). Out of the box the GW ones were barely any better, and within a couple of weeks of only cutting plastic, they were more blunt than my old cheapo ones that I'd put through the mill over several years.

They still work, but they clearly do more damage to the model when clipping from the sprues than my older cheapo ones, so I only use them for things I don't really care about.

Good for you, because about 10 mins ago I was using the GW cutters on a plastic model, and I found them to work just as good as when I got them in an old citadel starter set. That's subjectivivaty to you.

RoninXiC wrote:
Wait.. 150$ is not a.joke????? What?

You can buy those tools from any hardware store for.like 30$ or so....

I'm pretty sure GW will soon have their models melt and release toxic gas if any non-Citadel products come into contact with it.

And yeah, more seriously, not only are GW tools too expensive but they're also of very low quality. Can get better quality products at Home Depot for 1/3 the price. This problem that GW has, overcharging while simultaneously having poor quality products, extends to their model lines and codex's as well.

 Kirasu wrote:
I gotta wonder if those supporting the overpriced GW tools have actually used *other* tools by different companies?

GW tools have been serviceable but there is absolutely no reason to buy them over better high quality tools unless you enjoy wasting money (Sorta how I feel about those who buy models directly from the GW store).

Yes I have. They are plenty good enough. They are more expensive but I would argue about getting better quality. Most tools don't have rubber padding. That's what I got the drill. I got the saw because it works out cheaper than buying saw, handle and driving to a hobby shop when GW is in town. Same with buying models from GW. Not many B&M stores in the UK do discount and unless you are buying a reasonable size order postage destroys the discount.

wow these prices are a joke. Seems like GW plans on only selling a couple of these to suckers who dont know better.

 sing your life wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 sing your life wrote:
Why wouldn't you buy them again?

If you had actually read my posts, you would know I said the price exceeds the (albeit high) quality of these products

But they're really not high quality. I bought a set of GW clippers to replace some cheapo ones that were starting to go blunt after a couple of years of use (I frequently used them on metal models as well). Out of the box the GW ones were barely any better, and within a couple of weeks of only cutting plastic, they were more blunt than my old cheapo ones that I'd put through the mill over several years.

They still work, but they clearly do more damage to the model when clipping from the sprues than my older cheapo ones, so I only use them for things I don't really care about.

Good for you, because about 10 mins ago I was using the GW cutters on a plastic model, and I found them to work just as good as when I got them in an old citadel starter set. That's subjectivivaty to you.

There's a point of distinction for a start.

Could I ask how many pairs of clippers you've used from different companies to feel qualified to state the relative quality of GW's? Or are you just making assumptions because they haven't disintegrated/exploded/melted while cutting through a very soft material?

subjectivivaty

Isn't that what you need if you want to be a record breaker?

 Kroothawk wrote:
I can confirm the following Euro prices:
Knife 20€ (was 12.50 €)
Drill 22 € (was 13 €)
Clippers 24 € (was 12.50 €)
File Set 15 €
Sculpting Tool Set 20 €
Flash Remove Tools 13 € (was 10.50 €)
Tool Set 117 €

GW again went for the traditional doubling of prices for comparable new products.

Wow...

 sing your life wrote:
That's subjectivivaty to you.

It's not subjective at all. You can look at the cuts the old cheapo clippers make (which have been abused far more) and compare them to the ones the citadel ones make and the citadel clippers are clearly not making as clean of a cut. There's more tearing and which tends to pull material up and is thus more likely to do damage to the model than the cheapo clippers.

The GW clippers are serviceable, no doubt they can clip things and I do still use them from time to time. But if you're going to call something quality, you need to compare it to another quality product and observe equal or greater performance. I compare them to a cheapo set of clippers that I wanted to replace because they were noticeably blunting and they couldn't even cut it there. I actually specifically bought the GW clippers because I'd been told they were "overpriced but good quality" and I figured saving a few minutes was more important than saving a few dollars trying to research other "good quality" clippers.

That's just the clippers, I've also used their pin vices which IMO are "ok". Again, they work, but I've used better that was cheaper. Other people have given very good objective reasons why the GW isn't awesome.

Oh, and the sculpting tool, it has a worse finish on the edges than the full set of sculpting tools I bought for the same price (from Hobby Lobby I believe).

I haven't used one of their brushes for many years, but I found it to be middle of the road, not as bad as using a cheap synthetic, but no where near as good as a Kolinsky sable brush, even a similarly priced one. I guess you could say that's more subjective than objective, because I have no measure of brush quality other than how it feels.

We need to wait and see exactly what the new tool set has in it before making any firm judgements

no guarantee it will be the old tools we all love/hate/couldn't care less about

if they really have gone all out for quality they might be decent enough for the price (although it's one I wouldn't personally pay except for a really high quality file)

 Steve steveson wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:
I gotta wonder if those supporting the overpriced GW tools have actually used *other* tools by different companies?

GW tools have been serviceable but there is absolutely no reason to buy them over better high quality tools unless you enjoy wasting money (Sorta how I feel about those who buy models directly from the GW store).

Yes I have. They are plenty good enough. They are more expensive but I would argue about getting better quality. Most tools don't have rubber padding. That's what I got the drill. I got the saw because it works out cheaper than buying saw, handle and driving to a hobby shop when GW is in town. Same with buying models from GW. Not many B&M stores in the UK do discount and unless you are buying a reasonable size order postage destroys the discount.

I suppose I should preface my statements with "In the united states" because we an incredible amount of choices and GW has very little impact in where we can shop.