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OK, so I have a question about resolving wounds on a single model artillery.

What do I mean by single model artillery:

In Astra Militarum, the heavy weapons squads are all on one base (artillery gun and crew)

In Eldar, Vaul's Wrath support battery, the model can be made so that both crewmen are actually on the gun itself, all on one base

Thus, when wounds are then allocated, we are supposed to assign them to the closest model, but since all parts of the squad, gun and crew, are technically one model, how do you account for this. Does the shooter assign wounds where they want, or does the player rolling saves assign them?

I would assume that the shooter, would want to assign to the crew first, since after the first two are dead, the gun goes away as well. While If I was a owning player, I would prefer to assign to one crew member first, then the gun. Or should we just ignore this confusion by also playing with blank bases to account for the models?

Any resolution on this would be helpful.

Thanks,

The Astra Militarum weapons squads aren't artillery, they are infantry.

For Vauls Wrath, each artillery piece comes with two crew: one modeled on a separate base, one modeled on the artillery piece itself. When you suffer the first wound, you remove the crew memeber that is separate first, when it suffers its second wound, you remove the artillery piece because that is representative of the second crewman dying and there no longer being any crew to serve the artillery piece.

I don't believe that Astra Militarum heavy weapons are artillery.

chaos0xomega wrote:
The Astra Militarum weapons squads aren't artillery, they are infantry.

For Vauls Wrath, each artillery piece comes with two crew: one modeled on a separate base, one modeled on the artillery piece itself. When you suffer the first wound, you remove the crew memeber that is separate first, when it suffers its second wound, you remove the artillery piece because that is representative of the second crewman dying and there no longer being any crew to serve the artillery piece.

As I mentioned, you can choose to build the Vaul's Wrath model with both crewmen on the gun itself, as one model. Also, the rules for artillery give stats (toughness, save, wounds) for the gun itself, with that being the case why wouldn't the gun get wounds allocated to it before one of the crewmen.

Thanks,

nvm

 Ghaz wrote:
Are they listed as Unit Type: Artillery?

I was making an assumption (which was wrong) on the Astra Militarum, but the Vaul's Wrath are definitely Artillery.

The original metal Vaul's came with two crew that could either be modelled standing on the gun platform or on their own base, the new one incorporates one crew, but really both should be played the same: One gun model, two crew models - every Eldar player should have enough spare Guardians to accurately represent this on the battlefield.

Well there should be two guardian bases next to that art.

the gunner that is manned isn't actually relevant other than it looks cool. like wyches hanging off of venoms.

The only 1 man artillery i can think of are those mini pylons necrons have and i believe saber platforms. ether way the only thing special about artillery is that you use there T (usually 7) instead of majority but wound allocation is still the same in shooting. it is however different in CC

Insacrum wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
The Astra Militarum weapons squads aren't artillery, they are infantry.

For Vauls Wrath, each artillery piece comes with two crew: one modeled on a separate base, one modeled on the artillery piece itself. When you suffer the first wound, you remove the crew memeber that is separate first, when it suffers its second wound, you remove the artillery piece because that is representative of the second crewman dying and there no longer being any crew to serve the artillery piece.

As I mentioned, you can choose to build the Vaul's Wrath model with both crewmen on the gun itself, as one model. Also, the rules for artillery give stats (toughness, save, wounds) for the gun itself, with that being the case why wouldn't the gun get wounds allocated to it before one of the crewmen.

Thanks,

Errr, only the old ones can be built like that. The new ones, the artillery piece occupies the entire base its supplied with, so its not actually possible to model another crewman on the gun.