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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/17 22:22:13
Subject: Firing overwatch and choosing who to overwatch
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Land Raider Pilot on Cruise Control
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Quick question; where does it say I have to fire at the "first" unit out of 3 units declaring a charge? It's how it's always been played at the store, but I was looking for t today out of interest, since I don't recall seeing it.
Is this correct? And could I get a page number, please? I couldn't see it under overwatch.
Thanks guys.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/17 22:30:11
Subject: Firing overwatch and choosing who to overwatch
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Archmagos Veneratus Extremis
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Each unit is declared seperately and resolved individually, not at the same time. So you have to decide to Overwatch based on if they unit will make the charge to Overwatch or not before the opponent declares the next charging unit.
You don't "have" to fire at any unit, but if you don't shoot the first one and they do make it then you're unable to fire at the second or third (it's why Tau's overlapping Overwatch is actually pretty strong, even if the first unit makes it the second and third can still be shot by nearby units).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/17 22:31:55
Subject: Firing overwatch and choosing who to overwatch
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Fixture of Dakka
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There is no such Rule to my knowledge.
There is a few timing issues that make it a very good idea to shoot at the first unit but it is not a requirement. Charges are declared one at a time and Overwatch occurs immediately after the Charge is declared, prior to rolling the Charge distance. Should the player decide not to fire Overwatch they run a risk of the Charge locking them into combat and denying the ability to make an Overwatch attempts that Turn. Given that most people make charges when they have a good chance of making the distance, even with Snap Shots one doesn't want to run the risk of loosing men needlessly, it is rare to see the defenders get a second chance at Overwatch.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/17 23:33:57
Subject: Firing overwatch and choosing who to overwatch
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As stated there is no such rule.
However, there is some contention as to whether or not you are locked in combat by the first unit to successfully make it into base contact (you can search for the threads that go into more detail).
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/17 23:41:51
Subject: Re:Firing overwatch and choosing who to overwatch
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Land Raider Pilot on Cruise Control
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So if I'm charged by 2 units, Unit A charges then B. If I want to overwatch, I have to do it at unit A? If I refuse to and he doesn't make the distance, I then have to fire at unit B IF I choose to overwatch?
Am I getting that right?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/17 23:51:50
Subject: Firing overwatch and choosing who to overwatch
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The order is pick a unit to charge with, declare what you're charging, the opponent then decides whether he wants to fire overwatch or not, then you roll the charge distance. if you make it into combat, the units become engaged, if you don't make it then they remain unengaged. then move onto the next unit that wants to charge.
this way if a unit is charged by something unthreatening or unkillable from a large distance like 9", and there is something much more problematic 3" away that's clearly going to charge, then you can hold off the overwatch and hope they fail the charge. this makes charging a dreadnought into infantry before your own infantry a very good tactic, as it will shield your infantry from the overwatch which can't hurt the dreadnought.
It's important to note that a vehicle, and the occupants of a vehicle, do not become engaged in combat, and so the occupants are able to pick which unit they will fire overwatch at, even if a previous one is now in combat with their vehicle. of course if the first unit is not fired at and then the second unit instead charges something else, they've wasted their overwatch waiting for something that didn't come.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/17 23:59:34
Subject: Re:Firing overwatch and choosing who to overwatch
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Ond Angel wrote:So if I'm charged by 2 units, Unit A charges then B. If I want to overwatch, I have to do it at unit A? If I refuse to and he doesn't make the distance, I then have to fire at unit B IF I choose to overwatch?
Am I getting that right?
More or less.
Unit A declares a Charge, you decide whether or not to Overwatch.
If Unit A fails it charge, and you did not declare Overwatch, when Unit B declares a Charge, you can Overwatch.
If Unit A successfully charges, and you did not Overwatch, you may or may not (depending on your reading of the rules) fire Overwatch at Unit B.
If it wasn't obvious, I'm trying not to start the argument back up, which is why I'm expressing the broad generalization of both sides.
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volguus Zildrohar, Gozer the Traveler, and Lord of the Sebouillia |
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