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With the new IG codex out I have come to a big problem I play orks and with 6th editions ranged buff and Melee nerf I made them more shoota with lootas and big meks with kustom mega blastas but my opponent has found the powerhouse combo of a psyker giving presiance to a blob of guardsmen and them just running towards my guys and even assault units like nobs can't take them on because of the shooting and wounds. I would like some advice on how to beat this

Prescience only makes guard shoot harder. It doesn't make them survive any better. They still die just like guardsmen.

Those 3 15-ork squads of lootas you're likely already taking put down an average of 25 guardsmen in a single round of shooting. The remaining 5 guardsmen are going to look a lot less scary.

It's just like how sluggas are scary until you thin their numbers, at which point they become surprisingly awful in a hurry, so does a big pile of lasguns that you can keep pushing the front row backwards with casualties.

Then what is the one that gives the guardsmen I think it was a 5+ invulnerable save or something like that

 Ailaros wrote:
Prescience only makes guard shoot harder. It doesn't make them survive any better. They still die just like guardsmen.

Those 3 15-ork squads of lootas you're likely already taking put down an average of 25 guardsmen in a single round of shooting. The remaining 5 guardsmen are going to look a lot less scary.

It's just like how sluggas are scary until you thin their numbers, at which point they become surprisingly awful in a hurry, so does a big pile of lasguns that you can keep pushing the front row backwards with casualties.

Ailaros... Those loota squads take down an average of 25 guardsman if they all roll 3 out of D3 shots, assuming the guardsman are in some form of 5+ cover. Likely, the orks will shoot less and the guardman will have access to a better cover save (or/and go-to-ground). Just saying.

Buggies with burnas I'd say. Storm boyz, Slugga boyz. Killa Kanz.

I found out the thing he uses it's forewarning on divination which is a 4+ invulnerable

Razerous wrote:Ailaros... Those loota squads take down an average of 25 guardsman if they all roll 3 out of D3 shots, assuming the guardsman are in some form of 5+ cover. Likely, the orks will shoot less and the guardman will have access to a better cover save (or/and go-to-ground). Just saying.

It's only if they roll a 2. 3 squads of 15 is 45 of them, times two is 90 by BS2 is 30.

If you throw in a 4++, then yeah, it drops down to 12 or 13 per round of shooting, which means it takes two turns to cripple them instead of just one, but given how wound allocation works, this still means that they're not going to be getting a lot into range. The problem of the guard squad losing effectiveness rapidly changes in scale, but not in scope.

Plus, the psyker isn't going to roll forewarning every time, and it's not always going to successfully go off either.

Anyways, if you feel the need to actually take special units to handle this, rather than just relying on lootas and shootas and the like (which should be more than enough), then try a battlewagon full of burnaz. The battlewaggon tank shocks them into a slightly more clustered formation, you lay the template down, and multiply the number of hits by 15. Instant dead blob.

Just use blos wisely. For the same ammount of points he's paying for guards + prescience, you can have a battlewagon with shootas with pk nob and have 60-70 points left for something extra. Or 20 footslogging shootas + meganobz with combi-flamers in a truck and have 50-60 points left. Prescienced lazguns that ignore cover are good vs orkses, sure but you have means of overcoming them. Though, you need blos and target saturation. As usual.

I think a massive IG blob is a prime target for a SAG.

Or the assault-on-deepstrike stormboys.

Or a burna-wagon. That is, a battle wagon full of burna boys.

Or even a burna trukk. 10 flame templates will do funny things to IG.

Yeah, forewarning is great, but you gotta work to get psychic powers as guard. Pretty sure the battle psykers can't get it, and are a brotherhood if they can. Allies in marine chapters are expensive. It's totally doable, and wise to try, but it's not better than 50/50 if my rough head math works (about 56% for 2 ML 2 libbies to hit it being completely dedicated to getting it, which is also a at least 180 points I think.)

And as someone who has been annoyed at his power load out from a 9 man apoc seer council, if I can't always hit enough copies of a power in 27 tries, don't worry too much about those pitiful mon-keigh.

Not anymore. 50 points buys you level 1 Primaris Psyker with Divination access. For 25 more, you get a second level. Independent character, 0-3 per army.

Oh yeah, they're also expensive. A priest and a lvl 2 psyker make blobs better, but they also make them 20 shoota boyz more expensive.

Orks can play guard at their own game here.

Isn't forewarning a primeras power?

Got a list of what you have available to use OP? I play orks and IG so I might be able to help a bit better if I know what you have access to.

Off the top of my head, nob bikers might be a good bet. High toughness makes him wound on 6's, you've got a +4 armor/cover save and a +5 fnp, and you can chuck kombiskorchas on them too if you really need it. The trick is getting them into assault, but even if he gets a solid over watch, he won't do a lot of wounds to you with that unit.

Another solution might be lobbas if you don't use your heavy support slot much. You can pick on the priest since its the barrage weapon and start forcing saves on him. Not foolproof, but it might scare him into making a mistake.

Also, this guy is randomly rolling for his pysker's powers right? He shouldn't have access to the invuln ability every game unless he's taking 3 level 2 primaris pyskers, and even then its a gamble.

Either way, they're guardsmen. Force saves and force them out of cover, and you'll kill them. If you think you can assault, go for it, especially if you have a cheap unit to eat the over watch so you're more powerful units can get stuck in easier.

 Alienoid wrote:
With the new IG codex out I have come to a big problem I play orks and with 6th editions ranged buff and Melee nerf I made them more shoota with lootas and big meks with kustom mega blastas but my opponent has found the powerhouse combo of a psyker giving presiance to a blob of guardsmen and them just running towards my guys and even assault units like nobs can't take them on because of the shooting and wounds. I would like some advice on how to beat this

Hopefully Weird boys will get access to divination powers when the new codex comes out.

 FeindusMaximus wrote:

 Alienoid wrote:
With the new IG codex out I have come to a big problem I play orks and with 6th editions ranged buff and Melee nerf I made them more shoota with lootas and big meks with kustom mega blastas but my opponent has found the powerhouse combo of a psyker giving presiance to a blob of guardsmen and them just running towards my guys and even assault units like nobs can't take them on because of the shooting and wounds. I would like some advice on how to beat this

Hopefully Weird boys will get access to divination powers when the new codex comes out.

Honestly when the new edition comes out I hope GW tweeks the psyker disiplines a bit. the fact that one disipline is so much more useful is sort of a glaring issue.

Nobody's forcing you to take divination, much less prescience.